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Clearly we need some kind of control over certain roles but your plan was already poor received by a lot of people here. Yes you may have altered it but you are still trying to control every pick which keeps some of the same problems. I have yet to finish reading #2 but Ace already said mafia lost due to inactivity not the plan. Using that as support seems stupid. But there's a more important reason. This is GODAMN PICK YOUR POWER 3. It's going to be awesome. It is not LSB's slumberhouse of bored afkers. I sure as hell aint using no predetermined list. | ||
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On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote: Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive. Well there's two things to consider -LSB magically fixes his plan as soon as he got his role pm LOL -LSB is clearly very stubborn With that in mind my guess is he's a green townie, with an eye towards picking traitor again. If he is mafia why would he bother to change his plan. Since I bet LSB will continue fighting against any objections until the end of time no matter what his role, I propose we just ignore him and his nonsense plan and create something better together. I have something simple and effective but I want to wait until after draft order is set to say anything on it. | ||
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JIMBOS PLAN Here are the results from the past two PYP games. #1 Order 2 10 13 18 Picks: 1 1 6 1 8 1 12 1 #2 Order 1 7 8 13 Picks: 1 3 13 20 3 1 11 1 - couldnt coordinate with mafia I was thinking from the perspective of using past game drafting patterns to be able to put the important town roles in a certain area. However I did not consider what lsb is saying, in that I would have no way of proving myself to be town in that time and thus could just as easily be mafia trying to get my buddies what we want. So we'll see how it goes right now though. What I noticed in reading both past games - Thanks Ace for suggesting it! - is that mafia has a very difficult time getting top a number of picks or do not want to for several reasons. As you can see both games they got in the top 2 slots but then their picks start jumping all over the place. There are various reasons for that, as having top picks in these games wasn't always ideal, but it got me thinking. Say the mafia want to get most of the top picks. How do they do it?
2- Mafia picks numbers all over the place and hopes the town clashes a lot. This is purely luck and probability means 1-2 mafia will be in the top 6, which is A-OKAY. 3- They could triple up on a high number e.g 1, then have the other 2 picking likely unique numbers eg 13, and hope everyone else clashes. This gives them a legitimate chance of getting up there in numbers but it also very well might screw them over completely. Mafia have a much easier time assuring themselves a number of picks in the middle, namely by clashing with each other on a high number and spreading some with high numbers unlikely to be picked. If anyone has any way the mafia could assure themselves a majority of the top slots, please post so. Otherwise I think I'm onto something. The reason this is important is where the assigned roles are. We clearly need to have a few roles accountable. The previous plans, and current plan, followed the train of thought that KP boosting and important-to-deny-mafia roles needed to be picked first. What ended up happening was that the first 3 or more slots were sealed up, eg it didn't matter what alignment the people who got them were because they were held on accountability.EG If the prince of darkness acts, something's wrong and he must die. That meant that the best town roles got thrown into 4-something, where the majority of the mafia will be located. This doesn't make sense. We want the pro town roles in the hands of the town and the anti town roles in the hands of ACCOUNTABLE mafia (or town or sk). Superduper Town roles= Jack Bullet Bill Bullet Proof Parity Cop Doctor Veteran In addition there are some solid to mediocre town roles. Role Cop= Mason Tracker Hider Witch Accountable Roles= CPR Doc vigi Roleblocker Copycat - because of the day vigi the infinite kp role point brought up earlier Now you might object that there will be clashes. Yes, there will. And that is not actually that horrible. For one, mafia will clash too. They won't be able to get what they want as easily. And mafia clashing will make other roles better, namely Tracker. A roleblocking mafia gets followed to his roleblock target. A vanilla mafia gets followed to the kill . For two, it's more important that good townies get the really superduper roles and we get a few greens than the really superduper roles die right away because they are known and we're left with the shitty roles. Jack and Bullet Bill and infinitely better than Tracker or Mason. It doesn't really matter what alignment comp vigi and CPR doc are as long as we know who they are. If their shots don't follow their assigned targets, then we know they're mafia. So- JIMBOS PROPOSAL -Players 1-6 will pick a very pro town role. Preferably one of those I listed in blue but there are some others like witch that can prove useful too or hider to mess with hits going in the top 6. -Players 7-10 will pick CPR doc, vigi, Roleblocker, and Copycat in that order. Town will vote during the night phase for the kp to use as a type of extra lynches. They don't follow orders, they die. Maybe we should assign Prince as #11? I'm not sure how bad this role actually is for the town? Janitor as #12? Might be nasty. -Everyone else picks what they want. Mafia can pretty much guarantee they will get 1 person in the top 6 somewhere, maybe two as they have 5 people. But that still leaves a 4-5 townies with very powerful roles. We need those roles to win. What's better, the mafia cannot exploit this fact like they can an LSB list because of the bulletproof/veteran threat and the fact that the doctor will likely protect in that area. The things I'm not certain on are should we do anything about the kinda mediocre pro scum roles? Or just tell townies not to pick them and have rolecop know if he gets scum by seeing that pop up? And is 6 the right number for the cutoff? FEEDBACK PEOPLE LETS GOGOGOO | ||
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Let's talk about arranging numbers since people have not and that's not cool bros. Posting I agree or I disagree is not cool. Posting ideas is. 1- If mafia wants they can arrange to have most/all of the last numbers very easily . Just pick large numbers eg 20 and double or triple up. 2- If mafia wants to they can arrange to have the majority of middle picks. This is what has happened both of the last 2 games with mafia getting at least half their players in the middle. They can either do this doubling up on very high numbers eg 1 1 or picking larger unique numbers eg 9 11 13. LSB also showed a way here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=10#197 3- So far there doesn't seem to be a way for mafia to arrange to get a number of high picks. LSB half of what you said doesn't make sense and is complete bullshit and the other part just proves that mafia can arrange the middle of the draft, maybe the upper middle aka your sweet spot. The number picking patterns of the last 2 games are irrelevent - eg a lot of people picked 6 to make sure bill murray got a last pick - and what I said is definitely not a reliably recipe at all and can possibly screw the mafia. It's much more likely the mafia gets burned trying to aim for a bunch of high picks than they actually succeed. Either way I think randomizing your numbers is probably the town's best bet. Mafia can beat randomizing to get middle and bottom picks but they can't beat it to get top picks right? Clearly what this means is that we need to put the best roles in the places where mafia cannot assure themselves a majority. Otherwise we are better off just doing it randomly and pick whatever you want style. If we prioritize all anti mafia roles in the top slots to make people accountable and mafia arranges mostly middle slots, then mafia will snag up all the good town roles and that is very bad for the town. Not only does town NOT have them but mafia can misdirect and mislynch FAR easier. I don't really care if we do my plan or something else, as long as it's not LSB's mafiawin and bigbadboring plan which isnt going to happen no matter what i say so whatevs. Those who are supporting it really need to read the second game, see the negative reaction to radfield's plan which is like the lite version of LSB's, then look at everyone who dissed on the plan this game. LSB is going to defend his plan even in death so just form your own independent thoughts. IF YOU DONT LIKE MY PLAN MAKE SOMETHING BETTER!! | ||
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On January 09 2011 07:01 LSB wrote: Your response to my point number two is not germaine ^That doesn't answer anything. This is where you're plan fails. I was just writing my own points not responding to anyone in particular. I wouldn't be so sure #6 is vanilla townie. If anything I bet there'd be more chance of a mispick in the 3-4 range, eg 2 ppl picking bullet bill instead of 1 jack 1 bullet or both bulletproof no vet and so on.#5 and 6 are more likely to fear that overlap risk and pick something solid but not amazing like role cop or doctor. More importantly the mafia doesn't know who the veteran and bulletproof are. Their member(s) up top might snag veteran because its handy, but mafia can't tell the difference between nightlife or bulletproof or a doctor save. The difference is that mafia and sk can't just go shooting willynilly into all the best roles for fear that they might overlap hits, which is amazing for us, and they simply don't know which ones to kill and which ones not to. That uncertainty is all important. If roles are public knowledge we can't count on the mafia having dumbass hit choices and not killing the big guns. | ||
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With that said, I picked [3][3]. | ||
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On January 09 2011 11:33 deconduo wrote: Woot, random ftw. I assume I should be picking CPR/Vig right? The pro-town roles are good in the hands of town, and disastrous in the hands of the mafia because they can misinform us. On the other hand, the "accountable" roles aren't really that great in town hands or mafia hands as long as we know where they are. As I've said before, since its easier for mafia to concentrate their picks in the middle of the list rather than at the beginning, we need the early players to pick pro-town roles. If you're in the top 6 and you're town, you should RNG between one of these roles: Jack Bullet Bill Bullet Proof Parity Cop Doctor Veteran 7-10 will be the area where we will assign the accountable roles. | ||
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I'm happy some people have already pointed out aidnai's poor showing. I was suspicious of him myself in the very beginning but wanted to give him a little more time and see what came up. Nice to see I'm not alone. He has done nothing to help his case in that time so I definitely think aidnai is scum. I've read all the guides I've seen here and aidnai aidnt looking good. To start, he's damn useless. Around 10 posts and absolutely nothing of value. Then he is deliberately posting to make it look like he's posting. In particular I am referring to the poll asking people what they think about LSB's plan, then he QUOTES THE POLL LOL. He did that without ever once saying what he thought of the plan. WTF? Following that he has several posts where he puts doubt and suspicion on people without actually pointing the fingers. Who would do that but scum? dun dun dun. The rest of what he says is just asking pointless questions without having a really opinion of his own or making any kind of stance or contribution. Yah I bet he cares about what happens to the town drrrrrr And just right damn smack now he got all defensive over having a little pressure on him. Bumatlarge made an innocuous little point and aidnai freaks out. He says he'll do better soon. Ok bro. ##Aidnai | ||
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For everyone worrying that lynching aidnai will give a potential mafia copycat a good role: aidnai is number 16 on the draft list. He can't possibly have a good role. Pardoning is a terrible idea right now because if mafia did anything with the copycat role, they now can choose which role they want with their NK. We can't assume copycat is in town hands. Furthermore, if we don't know who the copycat is, we can't control it if copycat happens to get a dangerous role. Lynching aidnai gives us very low danger of actually giving copycat a good role. On the contrary, pardoning just allows the potential for mafia to pick up a good role. People also please ignore the traitor. If LayOffRage is telling the truth, theres a 1 in 8 chance of finding the traitor randomly, and theres a 1 in 4 chance of lynching mafia at random. Plus, the good roles are in 1-8, so if mafia wants to kill our good roles, they just expose the traitor even more. Furthermore, traitor isn't even hooked up with the mafia until they get hit. We can afford to wait before going after the traitor. Aidnai is reacting poorly to pressure. Please don't spam the evidence away. Vote for aidnai. | ||
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On January 11 2011 15:10 aidnai wrote: As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. Aidnai I have one very simple question for you: how do you know layoffrage is a pretty decent scumhunter? | ||
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On January 11 2011 15:51 aidnai wrote: And I have a simple answer. I've played with him before. Bullshit. The original post caught my eye since in the few games I've read here I've never seen his name and he only has 50 posts so it would seem odd you'd vouch for him like that. Dig a little digging and turns out layoffrage hasn't played since September 2009, his only game. You joined in January 2010. Something smells here or my name isn't Jimbosilvers. | ||
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Oh yes I can think of an explanation mr aidnai. But it's an extremely unpleasant one for you. layoffrage's only game was in smurf mafia. Key word smurf. So layoffrage is a smurf. Now who would know that except those who played in that game? Why would someone, most particularly you who apparently hasnt had any time except to post polls ask useless questions and defend yourself poorly, bother to check out layoffrage's profile of all people? The important thing is you brought it up like it was casual knowledge, but so far as my wits can see, it sure ain't commonly known. If layoffrage is a friend who told you his smurf, I might imagine he would've wanted to keep it a secret."Something like 'hey aidnai im layoffrage dont tell anyone kay plox.' I don't think you would have let the knowledge slip indirectly like you did if layoffrage was simply a friend whose smurf you knew but alignment you did not. Because remember, you revealed this when you were defending him from pressure, which is incriminating in itself. So let me try a stab on another possibility. You and layoffrage are scum. Layoffrage told you guys who he really is, you have played with him before, and you simply let some the knowledge of his smurf indirectly and unconsciously slip when you were defending him from pressure. Of course other explanations are possible and this doesn't confirm you as red or anything. This just just means that if you flip red, we kill layoffrage too. And just to make things clear, I sure aint tunneling. There are other scum out there and I think I might have another. But I'm not going to get into that now. Why should I care about one fishy in the river when I got another squirming in my arms? | ||
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I want everyone who is thinking of voting fishball or jackal or layoffrage or anyone because they think they are the traitor or copycat to stop and think a moment. Fishball talked about this and I want to reinforce it since you peoples can't seem to read it. I swear half the time anything important gets posted it's automatically converted into invisible forum ink. In Pick You Power 2 this is what happened- 1- Southrawrea - pick 6 - says day 1 "Somebody picked traitor ahead of me cause I didnt get it lolz" 2- Town lynches Hesmyrr - pick 4 - trying to find the traitor on the first day. 3- Town lynches Southrawrea trying to find the traitor on day 3. They lynched the serial killer day 2 fyi. 4- Town shoots Chaoser - pick 2- trying to find the traitor with their compvigi shot night 3. 5- Town lynches LSB traitor - pick 3 - finally getting the traitor day 4. Tell me. Is that worth it? Let's hear what Ace says: On September 06 2010 20:37 Ace wrote: Southwarea did the right thing ringing the bell about a traitor in the top ranks, but did the wrong thing and accused Hessmyrr out of no where. Still no idea how anyone thought that was a good lynch. Now in our situation we have the person claiming he missed on traitor at pick NINE instead of six. It's even worse! Who cares about the damn traitor lets lynch some scum people! If you don't think aidnai is scum then fine. Find a better one and prove it to us. But don't you dare just sit there and talk about the bullshit you currently are. It doesn't matter what happens with the traitor. They'll get revealed as the game goes on because they are in the all important upper slots where lots of people will probably die. We got five other buggers to fry first. To hell with the damn copycat. To hell with 'oh my god he might be the traitor' talk. To hell with pardoning the lynch. Find scum or die trying. That's Jimbo's motto and it better be yours too! | ||
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Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote: Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo | ||
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Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes. kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass. For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. | ||
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On January 15 2011 16:27 HaploPaithan wrote: Sorry I missed the crucial voting time guys. I had some shit I had to do at that time. We need to decide on a person for Kita to kill tonight. List of likely targets. Cube - Lied to town in a effort to scare the mafia. Pretty weak claim with contradictory arguments about his reasoning. Deconduo - Claimed SK. Fishball - Likely Traitor. BC - Was a potential lynch target. He should still be looked into as a viable target. Misder - Hasn't been posting much. I almost completely forgot he was in the game. He seems to be trying to sit back and stay out of sight. I think he is a likely candidate for a scum. Bumatlarge - Some people seem to be suspicious of him. However Deconduo has already stated that he will be using is SK kill on him tonight. Other? - Tell me who you think should be on this list. We need to try and keep the list short so we can actually get a clear decision. We don't want to leave it ambiguous. There is still a potential that Kita is a scum. We need to make sure he is killing who we want him to and not leaving up to his choice. I will go ahead and choose Misder for my pick. All the other players are of potential use to us. Cube has claimed to be a Doctor. He has been suspicious, but if he is doctor, it can be still be useful to us. Deconduo has a KP that will be used to target scum since he can't let scum win before he does. Fishball is a potential traitor. However if he wants to continue living he will continue to provide analysis. Plus its unlikely he has been recruited yet, so he won't know which players are actually scum, so he can't really protect those players in his analysis. BC is in a similar situation. Has been under suspicion and will continue to provide useful analysis in order to stay alive. Now we get to Misder. He has been quiet. Too quiet. He isn't going to be posting useful analysis anytime soon. He said himself that he will not be posting much in the near future either. So of all my potential targets he will be of the least use for town and as such the best target for a lynch. Now then. Cube. You claim to be a doctor, but you won't use your ability. Stop being a pussy. Don't waste your ability because you're afraid. This is probably the reason I'm the most suspicious of you. A doctor who isn't protecting someone doesn't look good. You need to protect someone tonight. Who knows, it could be what prevents us from losing tonight or tomorrow. I propose that you protect either Kita - While he has the potential to be harmful to us, its probably best to keep him alive. If he turns out to be a scum, we probably can't win as it is. HaploPaithan - I was targeted last night and saved. I think it could be likely that I'm targeted again. Obviously I'm a bit biased here. Eiii - Is hopefully our Parity Cop. A pretty good reason to be protected. He hasn't confirmed this, but he probably shouldn't until he can at least tell us something. You should tell us who you will be protecting us tonight. This should pretty much guarantee that that player will not be killed. Scum will be reluctant to hit him, plus your protection should save him if they do decide to go after him. Then in the case that you are a weak cop and you die from it, we will know who you protected and that that person is scum. I think we should be able to tell if your death was from weak cop or someone's KP by the amount of deaths that will occur tonight. So yeah everyone please let us know who you want Kita's KP to be use on. Also please mention anything that I might have overlooked. Oh hey nice of you to come in and post! On your list : why would we kill the SK? First off we can't kill him at night since he's bulletproof, and second we need to kill mafia, not SK. We're in a terrible position given its 16 players and 5, potentially 6 mafia, and a bunch of KP. Anything else to say about Fishball other than "likely traitor"? Why Misder over other lurkers like zeks? You mention bumatlarge and say other people seem to want to lynch him. What do YOU think? I'm not feeling conviction here. Along with the other questionable picks on your list, I'm just feeling like you're trying to pick easy candidates here. Also: HaploPaithan - I was targeted last night and saved. I think it could be likely that I'm targeted again. Obviously I'm a bit biased here. Why do you think you'll be targetted again? And why do you think you're so important that we need to save your life? Your most recent post is just atrocious. kitaman, please ignore my last request and shoot this loser instead. | ||
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On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote: Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. | ||
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At this point, i feel town needs all the blue roles possible. Zeks had the potential to be tracker or something, so he wasn't as high on my list. I feel like if misder was a blue townie he would be more active. So he is either a scum laying low, or a green townie imo. I think him being a scum is more likely. No, at this point we don't care about blue roles. We care about finding scum. Unless zeks has a good reason for his inactivity, we should shoot him because he's strong suspect imo. If you don't want to read my earlier analysis thats fine. I'm not going to repost it. | ||
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Anyway, glad to see BC's analysis, as its right in line with mine. I have a few things to add though. I cant see a townie picking parity cop as Eiii said he'd already pick it and town doesnt want people losing out on roles for no reason. This means that whoever picked it is probably mafia. Furthermore, since mafia want to recruit the traitor without wasting a hit, it would be perfectly convenient to pick parity cop to deny town information and recruit mafia at the same time. Since parity cop is likely mafia, this would make it easy for bumatlarge to fake role cop, as they know Eiii would be green, and Kenpachi already claimed GF before bum announcd his check. Also, cubedin should not protect decon. Unless he's actually SK, which is unlikely at this point, that roleblock will do nothing. I'd be ok with using cubedin as a roleblock on pigsquirrel, as the PoD could pretty much end the game right now , or alternatively as a medic prot on BC/me. Anyway, I'll post more tomorrow when I get my stuff in order. | ||
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Anyway, what are you guys thinking? Shooting obvious town over near confirmed mafia is just abominable play. Its quite obvious BC and I are both town at this point, but nobody seems to listen to either of us and decides its a smart idea to shoot BC? Twice? Congratz. As BC kindly pointed out, all the mafia are out in the open. So instead of shooting obvious townies, please shoot mafia, k? | ||
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Now let me tell you what da scum have been doing all game long. Sit afk. Post nonsense one liners or whatevs. Then make random gigantic ass posts that have no value in them at all. They just want you to think 'oooh looksie here he made a big post he must be townie' even though their posts are overflowing with bullshit and have no opinions of their own. Now they start outting their entire team except bum and haplo both are fighting against each other and trying to frame some random guy. God lets just end this charade, 'kay? AND JUST SO ITS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND NOBODY HAS ANY DOUBT: scumteam Deconduo - fakeclaimed sk. is afk all game. is caught lying scum when fishball pops up converted traitor. Mafia must have cpr doctor somewhere in their ranks. copycat Bumatlarge - afks all game. Contributes nothing. When the town is floundering he just sits around and snacks on some oranges. But when he and his scumbuddies are in trouble, look how fast batman zooms to the rescue. cpr doc or parity cop. Haplopaithan - dont you dare call me jumbo again. Makes godawful posts. Picks parity cop, or bum did, even though eiii said he would take it and doesnt say a word to let eiii know to pick something else like a townie would. Clear scum move trying to deny a powerful detective role. piqsquirrel - lol prince o darkness lol Kita, SK. Make this simple. Do the right thing. On January 20 2011 08:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ........ SK shoot bum Kita shoot Halpo. For fucks sake, no overlap kills, cpr/parity die. I am writing up why bum's post is full of shit right now, but seriously kita, if you want to win this game just follow my advice this one time. Shoot bum sk. Shoot haplo kita. Scum just sit down and take this like men. No need for squirming anymore. Bum quit posting and save your dignity man. Who would you rather be, the batman that burns on the pyre, mocking everyone and refusing to talk or bargain? Or the screaming lunatic who the good townies shot in the face a dozen times to shove his bullshit down his throat? | ||
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On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT. Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes. kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass. For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. On January 15 2011 17:28 JimboSilvers wrote: Oh hey nice of you to come in and post! On your list : why would we kill the SK? First off we can't kill him at night since he's bulletproof, and second we need to kill mafia, not SK. We're in a terrible position given its 16 players and 5, potentially 6 mafia, and a bunch of KP. Anything else to say about Fishball other than "likely traitor"? Why Misder over other lurkers like zeks? You mention bumatlarge and say other people seem to want to lynch him. What do YOU think? I'm not feeling conviction here. Along with the other questionable picks on your list, I'm just feeling like you're trying to pick easy candidates here. Also: Why do you think you'll be targetted again? And why do you think you're so important that we need to save your life? Your most recent post is just atrocious. kitaman, please ignore my last request and shoot this loser instead. I tried to get beneather fishball zeks and haplopaithan killed. Guess what. I got shot that night. I WONDER WHY. Maybe, just maybe, I was too much of a threat to these bastards? Do the right thing Kita, SK. Do what has to be done. Kita shoots Haplo. SK shoots Bum. | ||
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Analysis coming in a bit. | ||
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1- Is lurking and hoping town lynches me 2- Is putting enough suspicion on me and leaving it at that. Either way if we want to pin him we need some pressure. Let's try and shake him up a bit. Kenpachi- Kenpachi's play this game seems exactly like he did when I last played with him and he was medic. He might play like a raving lunatic sometimes but I'm having a real hard time seeing him anything but townie. An SK wouldn't want to cause trouble and would probably just pick jack or another sweetbaby role at pick 2. But Godfather? lol Aidnai- You've been hella suspicious the whole game and I really thought you were scum day 1 and day 3 but sk? There's one thing I want to focus on here, as I'm afraid I'll get clouded by my earlier judgments if I analyze your posts from earlier. You've been trying real hard to find the SK, abnormally hard compared to what you've been doing otherwise in the game. This either clearly shows that you are the sk going crazy in crunch time, or you are the least likely to be the sk due to the 2 points I stated at the start. Right now im leaning towards innocent cause your flippant day 1 behavior doesnt strike me of how the sk would act. Misder- Now that I look he actually made serious analysis posts like BC and myself. His opinions are firm and he actively scum hunted. Right now he fits in the lurking category but I feel he had no problems staying in the spotlight and battling it out with fishball. Can't see the SK going guns all out like that so early. Now we get to troublesome folks. Eiii- Lurker extraordinaire. What's more important, he supports the right stuff while not getting too open. Perfect profile for an SK. On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: I'd be willing to bet this game on the fact that there would only be two SK, personally. Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar, and fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful, not to mention not voting yesterday when he was clearly active. We got a problem here boys. That might explain the zeks hit. Also was really antsy for a day 3 lynch when it looked like nobody was going to die. Most importantly he doesn't give real content and parrots what everyone else says. Seems like hes just going along for the ride and doesnt care what happens to the town. BloodyC0bbler- I actually thought was the most innocent one here given all he's done. Hard to think the guy that wiped the mafia with me is actually the serial killer. However, there's two HUGE problems. On January 20 2011 13:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_- Aidnai is not sk. SK hit shot halpo and chances of aidnai being the second sk and saving an sk target seems well, unlikely. Whoa baby slip o the tongue? How does BC know the second SK shot haplo? Aidnai also makes this slip but probably got it subconsciously from you. So it's possible for him too, but less likely. Also, BC is still alive, seriously? I took a hit for burning mafia, but BC is still alive. He was even more aggressive than I was. There was a missing hit the last two nights, and I really can't believe mafia would hit me but not BC. Just doesn't make sense. We got 2 lynches to get this bastard. Those are my targets. Let's roll. | ||
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Misder, there's no need to jump the gun and lynch someone right away. We have plenty of time to get info out there so we can make the right choice. If you want to go ahead and vote people to get them to post, as people like eiii should not be able to lurk this much and say nothing, but under no circumstances should anyone be hammering until we have a clear target. And how is it security to lynch me? That wastes a chance to find SK. It won't prove I'm green either since I'm vet. Best case scenario is I get shot so you can be sure about me and pick two other targets, but that probably won't happen since SK is probably counting on me getting lynched. | ||
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The major advantage of hitting Jimbo is we avoid a situation where it's too late to lynch the vet. We also verify Jimbo's vet claim. The only disadvantage is that in plan 1 we get to pick a suspicious person to flip, whereas in plan 2 all three flips are done by the SK. This is not a major advantage. Its a major disadvantage, since you can't lynch me and someone else. Its pretty much down to lynching me or lynching two others, since a single lynch on me doesn't flip me. Verifying my vet claim doesn't get you anywhere because it doesn't prove I'm townie or SK either way. That's just the numbers though. And the best the numbers can do is 33%. This will come down to analysis, argument, and persuasion in the end, and I'm REALLY hoping I'm around for it... This is my favorite part of mafia... We can't do this by numbers. Its gotta be behavior. SK is harder to find than mafia because of the lack of connections. We need all the lurkers talking so we can get a better picture of what to do. | ||
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And as I said, if we wait a few more hours to discuss who our prime suspects are, then one of the suspects will have flipped already. Are you serious aidnai? What kind of a post is this? I might have to rethink my earlier stance on you. You are suddenly looking very anti-town when it comes to crunch time. Why would you ask for shorter day cycles? That obviously forces us to vote faster with far more room for error. We get less information that way, and you already want us to not talk about stuff at night? Combine that with your constantly parroting the last few days and I am really starting to suspect you. | ||
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Guys we have plenty of time to figure this out. Rushing when we have 48 hours + 24 hr night + another 48 hours if we miss the first time is stupid and very anti town. Also it's fine having 1 vote on me but 2 is very dangerous. If the real sk shows up he can just hammer and say he's following the plan or some bullshit and we can't call him out at all. Then we're down 1 chance to get the SK for no reason at all. I'll post my own analysis in a bit. | ||
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We need to decide out in 48 hours one of two options: 1- I am SK, thus lynch me twice. 2- I am not SK, thus lynch 2 people OF OUR CHOICE. Lynching me once and then waiting to see and decide on the final day doesn't make sense. Why? Because the SK is going to manipulate kills for his own purposes. It should not take a genius to realize that two lynches to find the SK is much much better odds for us than 1, because WE direct it AND we gain information from what happens. Also it's easier to find the sk from 3 people - which you get if you lynch twice - than 4 - if you lynch me once then lynch someone else. You say town avoids a worse case scenario. I say that this is just allowing the SK to take the easy way out. Before LYLO, there are two lynches and one night kill by the SK. As you said aidnai, by choosing to lynch me twice (where the first time doesn't even give you any information) you end up only getting information from the SK's kill before the second lynch. Then you still don't know what to do from there. You'll have used up my extra life, not gotten any information from it because the lynch wasn't meaningful, and we'll be in the same situation as you are right now. This entire problem boils down to: am I SK or not. If I'm not SK it's clearly moronic to waste a lynch on me. In my eye's it's just halving our chancing of victory. Thus you should be trying to figure out, am I SK? It's pissing me off because the fact that I'm veteran is distracting us from actually trying to find the SK. If you think I'm the SK, prove it, and I'll tear it down and show you my green colors flying high. This not a game of 'avoid worst case scenario. it is a game of find the serial killer.' To find the SK, we need to use what time we have to pressure people, with the threat of votes if necessary - kinda like what you're doing with me right here, which is great except it's on the wrong subject - and do some serious analysis, not just blindly bandwagon people without thinking. | ||
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Look, how are we supposed to find the sk? There's two ways. 1- Use every player's posting this game to figure out the likely suspect. That's what I did earlier, and I couldn't reach a clear conclusion. It's also very hard to find people's posts right now since the thread is so damn long and we can't use the all button. 2- Use the time we have now to pressure people with votes and analysis and see their reactions and get a read on them that way. To do this we need time and activity. e.g eii should not be allowed to keep lurking. Eliminating the possibility of 2 is ENORMOUSLY ANTI TOWN. | ||
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Alright here's the thing. I brought up Eiii beforehand but it was kind of brief, so I went hunting through posts to look for stuff. At first glance, if you read through Eiii's posts he seems pro-town, but after a while I realized that he wasn't really bringing up anything new / being active. As I said before, Eiii pretty much just chimes in to voice his agreement. That's a good way to look town without actually contribute, and Eiii really hasn't contributed this game. It's also interesting that he said he would take Parity but didn't tell us he didn't get it until directly asked many days later, and as the days go by he posts less and less, while some of his later posts are questions pertaining to the SK. It may seem like he's just inactive but when he was threatened with a modkill he posted very shortly after with On January 20 2011 10:15 Eiii wrote: Alright, contentless post because I don't want to be modkilled: I'm totally leaning towards jimbo's view of things. The rereading of posts that I've been able to do seems to confirm what he's saying. Apologies for inactivity are pretty much moot at this point, but I'm sorry anyway. After that he's only posted four times. One was a vote for Haplo after he had already been lynched and another was his "oops" post. Yeah, right. Inactive but you're there to show that you're following almost immediately? Sounds fishy to me. After that he posts saying he agrees with aidnai's thing telling Mafia/SK what hits to make. And with his latest post - more than 24 hours ago - he showed up to put the hammer vote on deconduo, ending our day quickly. So these recent posts together all look pretty bad. You're not active but you're following closely to make decisive posts Eiii? Let's not forget what I said yesterday about him: On January 21 2011 19:34 JimboSilvers wrote: Eiii- Lurker extraordinaire. What's more important, he supports the right stuff while not getting too open. Perfect profile for an SK. We got a problem here boys. That might explain the zeks hit. Also was really antsy for a day 3 lynch when it looked like nobody was going to die. Most importantly he doesn't give real content and parrots what everyone else says. Seems like hes just going along for the ride and doesnt care what happens to the town. So let's put this all together. We might have our Serial Killer right here. His sheer inactivity is absolutely inexcusable at this point in the game and if he truly is green, he needs to get his butt over here and prove it. No attention has been on him the entire game and that needs to change. ##Vote Eiii Definitely no hammers or in this case putting two votes on a person - since then if we're wrong SK can hammer. But I want to see how Eiii in particular and people like aidnai react to a vote on them with the prospect of more. | ||
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On January 22 2011 16:51 aidnai wrote: Damn it, I had no idea politician could buy votes more than once. lol it would suck if it couldn't I was really really tempted to buy lsb or fishball's vote in the beginning just for hilarity but it was smarter to keep it as a trump card. | ||
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On January 22 2011 16:53 aidnai wrote: Well played Jimbo, GG. Damn it damn it damn it we had him too... Honestly the game should never have reached that point though if deconduo had played to his win conditions and used his shot the night on an obvious townie COUGH bloodycobbler COUGH before he died (scum shot me before that). I was basically afking and focusing on irl things since I had victory guaranteed then day comes and there's no mafia kill lmao. | ||
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On January 22 2011 16:53 Ace wrote: My bad, I'll make that clear next time in the OP v_v Yea Jimbo played one hell of an SK game. He NEVER used his Politician power the entire game which was amazing patience. Your end game analysis was really wrong though. Jimbo was right - If he is an SK Vet or Town Vet lynching him gets you no where. Really you're just giving the SK another night to shoot. You won't get any information from wasting that lynch. With 5 (4) players and 48 hours if you can't decide then what will another 48 hours with no Town Night Actions do? However, there WAS a way out. And this is one of the very few times I'd ever say a townie should do this - Kenpachi get himself lynched. This way you get TWO flips in one day as town. Kenpachi gets flipped innocent and if he doesn't want to die you might have your SK. If he's not SK he gets lynched and shoots the Scummiest person on the wagon when he flips Godfather - that being whoever you guys convince him it is. The only hiccup in this plan is that all of you have to agree that ONE person is confirmed innocent and they can't vote. The other 3 would all have to vote and then give Kenpachi a 33% chance of shooting the SK and winning the game. Yeah I was so mad when you and kenpachi bandwagoned me right off the bat with that reasoning. I started thinking "maybe i should have kept BC alive. I'd rather lose to his ability and persuasion than this backwards logic." I thought of that kenpachi thing too which would was an option but naturally I didn't want to suggest it lol. It could've been abused with politician though probably. I'll post my thoughts tomorrow prolly but I just want to say that I am SO glad I was sk. As townie I would've gotten so sick of the garbage that was getting passed around and sheeped on, but as sk i could keep reminding myself 'its ok i dont care about that lousy town.' Seeing LSB's plan get so much credence and mine ignored was just...O_O Even funnier was that the only two people who bothered to make plans were the SKs LMAO. | ||
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When I got my role my immediate plan was to lynch mafia and shoot townies who had key roles. While only rolecop, doctors, day vigi, roleblocker, and especially bullet bill are serious threats, I wanted to keep both the town and mafia in the dark as long as possible. I picked politician since securing a role for sk is crucial, nobody is likely to pick it, it's the most powerful endgame role, and I was half considering pissing people off who annoyed me, eg LSB, by screwing with their vote. In the beginning I didn't think I had a real shot at winning cause its sk and wanted to play balls out and just have fun, as lurking last game as mafia was stupid and boring. I wanted to be proactive but the team didn't want nor need to. Wasn't going to let being SK stop me from being crazy. However, that idea came to a rude halt in pregame and day 1 when, LSB's plan was favored over my own LOL, and my posts were overall just completed ignored. "Who cares about the godamn traitor guys find scum the traitor will reveal itself once people start dying." Then layoffrage gets lynched by the 'KILL DA TRAITOR' witch hunt even though its 100% certain hes not scum by how easily he got lynched. zzzzzz + Show Spoiler [plan] + On January 08 2011 07:24 JimboSilvers wrote: I lied. My plan isn't simple. But it is still effective . JIMBOS PLAN Here are the results from the past two PYP games. I was thinking from the perspective of using past game drafting patterns to be able to put the important town roles in a certain area. However I did not consider what lsb is saying, in that I would have no way of proving myself to be town in that time and thus could just as easily be mafia trying to get my buddies what we want. So we'll see how it goes right now though. What I noticed in reading both past games - Thanks Ace for suggesting it! - is that mafia has a very difficult time getting top a number of picks or do not want to for several reasons. As you can see both games they got in the top 2 slots but then their picks start jumping all over the place. There are various reasons for that, as having top picks in these games wasn't always ideal, but it got me thinking. Say the mafia want to get most of the top picks. How do they do it?
2- Mafia picks numbers all over the place and hopes the town clashes a lot. This is purely luck and probability means 1-2 mafia will be in the top 6, which is A-OKAY. 3- They could triple up on a high number e.g 1, then have the other 2 picking likely unique numbers eg 13, and hope everyone else clashes. This gives them a legitimate chance of getting up there in numbers but it also very well might screw them over completely. Mafia have a much easier time assuring themselves a number of picks in the middle, namely by clashing with each other on a high number and spreading some with high numbers unlikely to be picked. If anyone has any way the mafia could assure themselves a majority of the top slots, please post so. Otherwise I think I'm onto something. The reason this is important is where the assigned roles are. We clearly need to have a few roles accountable. The previous plans, and current plan, followed the train of thought that KP boosting and important-to-deny-mafia roles needed to be picked first. What ended up happening was that the first 3 or more slots were sealed up, eg it didn't matter what alignment the people who got them were because they were held on accountability.EG If the prince of darkness acts, something's wrong and he must die. That meant that the best town roles got thrown into 4-something, where the majority of the mafia will be located. This doesn't make sense. We want the pro town roles in the hands of the town and the anti town roles in the hands of ACCOUNTABLE mafia (or town or sk). Superduper Town roles= Jack Bullet Bill Bullet Proof Parity Cop Doctor Veteran In addition there are some solid to mediocre town roles. Role Cop= Mason Tracker Hider Witch Accountable Roles= CPR Doc vigi Roleblocker Copycat - because of the day vigi the infinite kp role point brought up earlier Now you might object that there will be clashes. Yes, there will. And that is not actually that horrible. For one, mafia will clash too. They won't be able to get what they want as easily. And mafia clashing will make other roles better, namely Tracker. A roleblocking mafia gets followed to his roleblock target. A vanilla mafia gets followed to the kill . For two, it's more important that good townies get the really superduper roles and we get a few greens than the really superduper roles die right away because they are known and we're left with the shitty roles. Jack and Bullet Bill and infinitely better than Tracker or Mason. It doesn't really matter what alignment comp vigi and CPR doc are as long as we know who they are. If their shots don't follow their assigned targets, then we know they're mafia. So- JIMBOS PROPOSAL -Players 1-6 will pick a very pro town role. Preferably one of those I listed in blue but there are some others like witch that can prove useful too or hider to mess with hits going in the top 6. -Players 7-10 will pick CPR doc, vigi, Roleblocker, and Copycat in that order. Town will vote during the night phase for the kp to use as a type of extra lynches. They don't follow orders, they die. Maybe we should assign Prince as #11? I'm not sure how bad this role actually is for the town? Janitor as #12? Might be nasty. -Everyone else picks what they want. Mafia can pretty much guarantee they will get 1 person in the top 6 somewhere, maybe two as they have 5 people. But that still leaves a 4-5 townies with very powerful roles. We need those roles to win. What's better, the mafia cannot exploit this fact like they can an LSB list because of the bulletproof/veteran threat and the fact that the doctor will likely protect in that area. The things I'm not certain on are should we do anything about the kinda mediocre pro scum roles? Or just tell townies not to pick them and have rolecop know if he gets scum by seeing that pop up? And is 6 the right number for the cutoff? FEEDBACK PEOPLE LETS GOGOGOO I honestly still think my plan is good and would have worked well . Yes it does help the SK -I had no idea there were two until after the 5 kill night one - in the sense that the SK ignores bulletproof and can fire into the top part of the list with impunity. But outside of that, it could have served the town superbly. As we notice, mafia picked numbers 1 2 3 4 5 lmao and got picks 1 10 11 14 20. Town could've had a great pick of roles in the sweetspot area. The fact that it was almost totally ignored is really sad. Anyways after seeing what happened day 1 and how i was invisible I realized that unless I put a ton of effort into arguing, something I wasn't in the mood for as sk, I couldn't effectively get mafia lynched on my own. Thus I had to shoot mostly scum and hope scum would kill the good roles. Fortunately lsb took out the only key role bullet bill and after that it was all good and my scum picks were dead on. Day 2 I cannot believe the town just sat there and let deconduo get away with a serial killer claim in the shadiest circumstances. I had extra information here - it was unlikely there was 3 sks - but the town has no reason to let the "sk" live. He isn't going to cooperate with you longer than he sees fit lol and there's a good chance he's scum bullshitting anyways, as was the case. Why the hell would serial killer just claim like that. As soon as he claims he has effectively a zero percent chance at victory, so he would only claim in the absolute most dire of situations, which I did not feel he was in when it happened. His foreshadowed drunk cc pick was perfect cover. It was also clear by day 2 scum were not trying very hard to hide themselves because nobody was focusing on them. I think bloodycobbler also picked up on this? This realization helped narrow down targets considerably. Overall day 2 no lynch was awful when deconduo and fishball were both huge anti town players. After that bloodycobbler became more active and things started going in the right direction ending with the fishball lynch. End of day 3 I actually was quite confused because both beneather and aidnai started looking incredibly scummy. So I take a hit and have been sporadically inactive but very pro town and am doing the right things and going for the right people, just getting ignored. I claim I take a hit and the town pieces things together and gets fishball lynched. Then aidnai starts getting people to claim bulletproof and vet hoping to 'confirm my role' or something ridiculous, and of fucking course beneather has to respond within moments - after saying nothing the entire game - "yea im bulletproof". WTF? I mean, that is really anti town action. The biggest asset town has for roles is that scum/sk don't know who is proted by doctor, bulletproof, vet, or sk when a hit doesn't go through. That uncertainty is crucial to keep real town assets alive, which I was, and make scum second guess their hits. Beneather could have easily soaked up a hit and maybe even led scum into thinking he was sk until he claimed and made sure scum would just ignore him. But would scum be THAT obvious? I was seriously considering shooting one of them - especially aidnai for saving haplo in the scummiest circumstances - but figured amber's roleblock was too dangerous. I mean holy shit it doesn't really matter that much if you prove my role or not. If I was a town vet it would've been a disastrous move as I would've died when shot next and mafia wouldve had no qualms about doing so cause my role was in the open. I don't think scum were in that bad of a position after fishball got lynched. While the other 3 were obvious, I thought aidnai was the last scum instead of pigsquirrel . It boggles me mind why they would use PoD that night instead of the next when the numbers clearly indicated it wouldn't bring them near victory. But using PoD basically wrecked their team. I made a major mistake when I shot bum instead of well, anyone lol. I kept panicking and switching my target. Originally I was going to shoot bloodycobbler as he was the only real threat, but I had a few things to consider: 1- kitaman might shoot bloodycobbler AGAIN 2- Scum most likely would shoot bloodycobbler and kita instead of me and kita because he was being much more active and in their faces. I was simply trying to shadow him, prevent kita from being stupid, and get credit for slaughtering the scum team. Still not sure why they shot me. 3- Most importantly, if bloodycobbler dies, scum might actually convince town and i cant trust myself to sway the town after what happened early game. That's why I shot bum, assuming kita or scum would shoot bloodycobbler. Instead I get shot and kita shoots another scum. Worst case scenario lol. Still I had a 100% chance of victory if everyone shot normally. When it didn't, I had to choose between shooting cob or one of his sheep. Should I tempt fate with misder's fixation on cob being sk and cobs dead on analysis of me, somehow. Or should I kill cob and try to outargue the remainder who have no idea whats going on but have this bizarre fixation on my role, use bad logic, and refuse to consider anyone else because of a worst case scenario possibility. Was quite the odd choice. Other comments: One thing I don't understand is how bloodycobbler was remotely suspicious, first to get shot twice by the town vigi, second when people thought he was sk lategame. The guy reeked of green from the moment he got lsb killed. Scum clearly don't need to do that and cob was putting way too much effort in for anything but a townie, given the circumstances. eii should have come out the moment he didn't get parity cop. ZAP haplo lynch day 1. If he called out that he'd pick such a pro town role and someone took it without saying a word, that someone is very obviously scum trying to deny a powerful role. A townie would at least say something so eii wouldnt get screwed over. Kenpachi picking GF was very poor, I have no idea why he would even consider it. Jack is the most powerful role in the game arguably and when he didn't take it, nobody would even try. Maybe for bullet bill veteran or bulletproof i could see it but godfather? Who cares lol. Scum picks didn't make sense to me. Hiding the cpr is great sure, and I can understand denying parity cop and taking PoD, but mason? Copycat? Those are trash compared to stuff like Veteran, imo best role for scum, pardoner, bulletproof, roleblocker, and doctor. Maybe janitor, or hell, politician. If scum shoots bloodycobbler and use janitor, how does anyone know cob is actually town? And politician is a monster card in the endgame. Scum shouldn't have cared about fitting in with da plan or anything. When LSB's plans were so anti town its easy to say "shove it" and take what you want. Whatever the case, pigsquirrel should never EVER EVER have claimed PoD. Town had no way of knowing who it was. It was the best hidden spot one could have it and he just had to blow his top and then use it. I thought LSB did a good job of appearing in day 1, at least to me, like a very very stubborn idiot who doesn't realize how stupid he is. I was simply content to just treat him as an invisible poster. Kudos to bloodycobbler for shutting down his nonsense. You got balls LSB lol. I would not have felt comfortable with such a risky plan at all. Im jealous at how much cooler your approach was than mine . Fishball did great I feel by just goading people into fights and attracting focus while not doing anything overtly suspicious that would get him lynched right away. He dominated the town's attention while still living 2 days. After he died no scum were on any townies radar besides bloodycobblers. The rest of the scum was content to just piggyback off of fishball which was a major mistake imo cause once he was gone they were wide out in the open. And of course superb play by bloodycobbler. No way could I have put up with what you did as town without getting pissed and flaming excessively or something - if i would even have the time in the first place to post enough to outshout everyone else. This is why I'm probably not going to play for awhile - scum is no fun if you can win by lurking and having to put up with all this stupidity and the town's tendency to focus on the absolute wrong things and people, as addressed above, is not enjoyable. | ||
JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
On January 24 2011 17:05 Barundar wrote: Not sure if others agree, but i found the best argument for lynching jimbo as sk over bc was their method for fingering deconduo. When lsb flipped, the real sk must have realised that deconduo was a fake, and the first one to analyse deconduo and demand him lynched was jimbo. The difference between jimbos and bc's argument against deconduo was what they tried to nail him on. Bc speculated that deconduo could be fake claiming sk, and through the thread became more certain of himself. Jimbo simply analysed. Arguing that deconduo was scum beceause he fake claimed sk would of course give away how he knew. That's pretty cool reasoning but it's clearly something you made in hindsight: i posted my analysis of deconduo before he ever said a word about his cc or sk claim. After that I didn't really post until like 50 hours later and talked about other people lol. And after fishball was lynched it was obvious decon had to be scum so it's irrelevant at that point. | ||
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