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On January 21 2011 03:55 aidnai wrote:
Yeah, the plan made sense. Regardless of who Kita wanted to kill, cubed really should have blocked Pig... I should have pushed that a lot harder than I did, but I'm surprised mafia had the balls to use POD when the plan was to block pigsquirrel...
Realistically though, you have to admit it is quite weird for you to still be alive on, what is this, day 5? as a vanilla town who has hunted down the entire red team and at least one SK? bunch of newbs, they shoulda killed you a LONG time ago lol.
shoulda woulda coulda 
One sk left to analyze, and the players left he could be in is well, annoying to analyze -_-
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On January 21 2011 04:12 zeks wrote:
ahh BC so good.
we were too overconfident in our ability to lynch you later
shoulda just shot me.
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##vote deconduo
Time to finish the mafia off.
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On January 21 2011 11:33 Kenpachi wrote:woah 1 died  Deconduo must have hit beneather or the SK. ##vote deconduo
pretty clear sk hit beneather. Mafia hit can't kill the bulletproof
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On January 21 2011 13:41 Foolishness wrote:
So I've been half following this whole game. Everytime I look at the list of players dead, everyone on the list is either blue or green (LSB exception of course). So without really reading it, I think to myself "wow no reds have died yet, it's all townies", since none of the players are red in color. Now I just realize that 5 mafia have died x.x
You can imagine my confusion because it's like..."hmm there are 7 people alive, and 5 are mafia...why is this game still going on??"
I fail hard. x.x
wrecked -_-
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I don't have a ton of time as im running off to work bbut as a general note.
Fuck yeah, I was right, fucking A.
Only red I missed was zeks whom jimbo killed very quickly.
As for town, you guys got extremeeeeeeely lucky to be in the game this long. Had kita's shot gone through the only person who had the mafia pinned as the sk, who with effort most likely still would have won this game.
Now as for the town as a whole, I will go into more detail later but I have to say this. You guys blew. You followed me in the end, but you guys were screwed had I not stepped up. TL towns have to analyze behaviour not spend time talkiiing about roles. Roles don't prove alignment. If you will notice the only time I spent any serious time on roles was differentiating between bum and halpo on who had parity and who had cpr.
However back to the original point. A veteran player should not be required to win mafia games for town. You guys were blindly following bad plans, following scummy as hell players, and even with me stepping up key town players needed to ensure a 100% town win were using their hit wrong.
Anyone go back to night 3 when I had my double roleblock plan and tell me what they think would happen now. Bum would have died, PoD roleblocked, parity blocked. Cpr would have been dead then, dropping kp. I believe kita/amber/cube would be dead.
But, they died stopping mafia kp as well as letting us lynch pod without a second night. then its cleaning up and offing the sk.would have given the extra day needed for town to survive.
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Haha bum, dont worry I'm not offended. Had you flipped town I'd have been surprised and think you were a retard but once you flipped red it was just a guarentee that I was right and you were trying to basically save your own hide. Overall the play on your team was too inactive and lurky. You guys really needed 1 or 2 of you to take the reigns of the town and push your own agenda, possibly bussing one of your own members in the process (like decon or halpo once fish was recruited).
If you guys had opted to be a bit more out in the open you potentially could have stopped me from pushing you all to death, and managed to instead get me or jimbo lynched by town.
As for you jimbo, you just need to learn how to make yourself really known in the thread and push your analysis. Had you been able to hit a level of thread presence that everyone would listen to you would have owned this very quickly. Just need a bit of practice at it and you will get there.
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I hope this breakdown of the game helps people. If you have any questions, comments, or want me to try and do a more detailed breakdown day by day I will try.
SK’s.
I will cover these guys first as both played a much better play than most of the town.
LSB
He was a man with a plan. One that centered around garning roles. Now, he took advantage of the fact he posted his plan pre game. He pushed through it with regardless as most of the player base didn’t see anything wrong with it. It also created a list that made it much harder to randomly pick a role as it remained as a general guideline regardless of how the game. This made it a lot easier not only to figure out what role someone had, but made it also very decent in how to help figure out potential mafia/sk candidates based on who didn’t follow the plan when pressured. His problem this game was that he continued on this route in a game where someone who could catch him quickly did so. Had he pushed this plan while I/any other vet was not in the / had another sk who was concentrated on just finding the reds, he would have gone much farther into the game. He had situated himself as a defacto leader until he was killed as was pretty well free to romp while he was so. Overall he made a ballsy play that backfired. However with the rapid success it was having until I stepped in, he potentially could have won, or at least lived much longer into the game.
JimboSilvers
Some of the most solid play I have seen in I don’t know how long. His analysis was on, his shots were very standard sk, and he managed to stay off radars most of the game. Everyone who was town this game should go back and check out his play. With solid thread presence he would have dominated this game from start to finish without issues. His hiding his politician role was genius.
His only few slipups that put him on my radar were so wifom I couldn’t even justify using them. He breadcrumbed his shots on both zeks and bum + his claim of vet was something I kept as a reaffirmation I was right on my gut shot. However, he managed to stay pretty well off my radar long enough to survive to a point in the game he couldn’t lose in. Kudos.
The Mafia
You guys did a spectacularly set of bad plays which is what put you on not just my radar, but also on Jimbo’s. I am not sure If I should at this point however berate you or praise you for managing to still appear mostly legit to 90% of the town. As such I will only really cover the few huge mistakes.
Decon should never have claimed sk. Period. When he was found out as anti town based off his lying of his role he should have day vigi’d someone who could analyze his team. Bum’s “trick” of having decon reveal his role was a good cover, but decon should have used it to distance himself from his team as much as possible and embraced the role. Secondly, by claiming sk, and then day vigiing lsb (who flipped sk) town thought it only had to find mafia. This took their attention away from the other sk for a bit which is something you guys needed early on.
Second mistake, decon confirming he shot fishball. It instantly linked fish as recruited, as well as revealing decon as a liar. This allowed a steady progression through the thread which helped net his team.
Shooting the sk twice. You guys should have pinned both me and jimbo as sk. When you shot him once and failed, you should have pinned him as sk then shot me. His living that shot should have confirmed to you guys what he was which would have left you able to kill me and potentially save yourselves a day or two longer (doubtful but possible).
The Town
One of the worst showings I have seen period. Had I not been playing you guys would have been steamrolled, period. This is something I have noticed as a reoccurring problem in a few recent games. I will start be listing those problems.
Concentrating on roles not alignment
Spending too much time talking about things that don’t matter
Waiting on roles to do the heavy lifting.
These are three of the largest reoccurring problems. I really hope some of you re-read this game and watch my play. I was slightly more foul mannered than I should have been, but I was a vanilla townie who spent the game analyzing. I didn’t need a role to snag people, I avoided trying to permiate useless topics, and did not expect roles to do much heavy lifting. I did have a plan that would have won it for the town, but we lost that day since it wasn’t followed. Regardless.
In this setup, someones role means nothing. Town, mafia, or SK could be behind that role. Everyone also uses roles differently. Each player follows instincts on who should be protected, shot, investigated, etc.. You cannot reasonably hold someone accountable for a role use if there was a logical reason behind the action. Instead watch someone’s behaviour. If you see someone who is acting anti town in thread, and then claims vig later, chances are you snagged a mafia or sk, however knowing he’s a vig ahead of time then him shooting someone who flips green doesn’t make him red, it just gives the mafia/sk a way to get someone from the town lynched.
Talking about things that don’t matter. Again, centering around blues doing what, making town circles, plans that no one agrees with, etc…
If you center on a topic that is too general, anyone can weigh in and appear to be “contributing” while just easily blending into a crowd. If you want to discuss these things try to do something along the lines of:
Make medic lists. People will discuss why so and so is on it and why others aren’t. It FoS people potentially and gets people talking on a specific topic where real opinions that can be read matter. It also makes mafia hits slightly harder.
DT lists. Same general idea as medic lists.
Talking about circles is usually bad form unless you are forming multiple thought circles. Don’t center around roles, and try not to link yourself to your circle in thread to avoid being read.
Blues doing the heavy lifting. If town’s expect the lone dt, or lone vig, or whatever other blue to save their ass, they are going to lose many times. The game is made up predominately of vanilla townies. The heavy lifting has to be done by them. Be it analyzing clues, behavioural analysis, pm infiltration, etc… Most of the work is done by greens. One dt can only check so many people, a vig can only kill 1 person, etc…
You guys keep thinking you guys are designed to take hits and buy time but in reality that’s the vets job, that’s the hatters job. Your job is to analyze and spot mafia. It may take time to learn this skill but its your job. You guys also have the highest voting power in the game, use it.
Now, I am going to be mostly respectful and not ream the players in this specific game but I want you guys to go back and re-read the thread to see where you went wrong.
Kitaman, Misder, Cube.
Now, I say this for one clear reason. Each of you made actions that cost the town the game. Kitaman shooting me twice/not following a plan that would have won the game , cube not rbing the PoD like he was supposed. Misder for not following the last will of myself. If I net you that many anti town and say that “one of these 3 players is the last sk” and 2 are dead. Don’t analyze the hell out of a player on a confirmed list, just vote for the suspect. If you spend too much time analyzing another player the sk has just won the game. You should have hammered the vote before jimbo could have bought a vote.
I am more than happy for any newer player having questions to answer them If I am capable, but please look at this game and follow both my play, as well as jimbo’s to see what you as a town are capable of doing and ask the players who have been playing for years on how to go about it. Once you learn the games I think will become much more enjoyable for you all, and will create many interesting games. I think we are all getting tired of seeing an inactive mafia sitting back and winning while doing nothing to deserve the win.
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On January 24 2011 17:09 JimboSilvers wrote:
And of course superb play by bloodycobbler. No way could I have put up with what you did as town without getting pissed and flaming excessively or something - if i would even have the time in the first place to post enough to outshout everyone else. This is why I'm probably not going to play for awhile - scum is no fun if you can win by lurking and having to put up with all this stupidity and the town's tendency to focus on the absolute wrong things and people, as addressed above, is not enjoyable.
I almost rage quit the entire fucking game after kita shot me the first time, and the second time. One of my comments after both cases was "town does not deserve to win" which in part played its downfall as I didn't even bother looking for the second sk until the reds were dead. I had a suspicion of who it was but once town started talking about the second sk I see posts from misder saying "i think bc is sk" and the like and I rage a bit inside.
This game was incredibly hard to play purely because both mafia and town didn't deserve to win. Had you not won jimbo I would have been incredibly angry as you played your role and position so well and didn't just idle your way to victory which could have worked as well.
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