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kitaman27
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On January 16 2011 08:46 kitaman27 wrote: I'm worried about the type of situation that could arise if I get killed, my hit doesn't go through, and I'm not alive to state whether or not I was role blocked. I was hit and role blocked. Amber, could you please identify your target and "insurance policy"? | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 16 2011 11:29 CubEdIn wrote: Sorry for RBing you kita. Only a 25% chance it was you. Would like to hear from Amber. Whoever Zeks masoned with should post all their chat logs. Anyone with relevant night actions should post (parody cop and tracker) There is an unaccounted for kp as well, unless dec lied about hitting fishball. The fact that a scum was targeted probably means it was a SK. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 03:28 aidnai wrote: Ok, so as soon as Kitaman pops in here with confirmation that he was not role blocked last night and in fact targeted BC, we'll know for a fact we got a liar between one of the two of them. I haven't looked too hard at Kita yet, I was waiting for him to confirm his role last night. Since nothing is confirmed, and I think Kita has been posting enough to analyze, time to go back and take a look. Bum, I can't really defend myself from 'guilt by association' except by my actions, so  I guess if we get BC or Kita lynched and hit a scum, will you back off then? I already confirmed that I was role blocked a while ago. Pig, could you confirm that you were roleblocked as well? deconduo, odds are pretty likely that the zeks hit was by a SK. Did you decide to switch your target since you knew fishball would be a likely lynch? Fishball, can you confirm you were hit? If the role cop, parity cop or tracker has useful information, now would be the time to claim. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 05:19 Amber[LighT] wrote: You don't need confirmation. I'm not lying and I'm confirmed as pro-town. Kitaman was not roleblocked. I send this PM to zeks so he would know who I role blocked. + Show Spoiler + im goign out so i wont be around and im drunk already ... i role blocked pigsquirrel Original Message From zeks: By the page 16 list then you got these people with an action Fishball - Medic (but he's likely traitor imo) bumatlarge - Role Cop Eiii - Parity Cop assuming they had followed LSB's plan...afaik I think eiii said he was going to follow the plan and picked parity cop but i don't think he has said a thing about his check night 1 and maybe a JOAT that got picked up. Any of these would fish the traitor - well assuming the traitor wasn't already picked up by the scum Show nested quote + Well I certainly was role blocked, I'm just trying to find out by who. Cube had a 25% chance of blocking me. While possible, the odds are only 1/4. Rather than posting your role block in the thread, you used a scum as your insurance policy (probably without knowledge of). I'm not accusing you of anything, I would just like to hear from multiple sources. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 06:54 Fishball wrote: All your slash acronyms makes my head hurt. This is not my point. I'm talking about this quote specifically. For all that matters, it does not CONFIRM him. I already bit on LSB once for using the word "confirm" loosely. NOTHING is confirmed. However, I give credit where credit is due. I do appreciate you pointing out the possibility of Cube saving an actual hit. I was either hit by a SK, mafia or rouge town kp. I think the town kp is highly unlikely. I question why would a SK hit me if I'm the Compulsive Vigilante? That would just make their job harder. That leaves a scum hit. Maybe I'm not confirmed, but you will rarely get a situation where someone is 100%. Its hard to tell if the kp are consistent from day one to day two since we don't know if Divinek was hit or if he was hiding. Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Which of these situations seem most likely to you? 1 deconduo (copy cat, cannot be traitor) 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) 4 Barundar (dead, cannot be traitor) 5 Jackal58 (dead, cannot be traitor) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit) 9 LayOffRage (dead, cannot be traitor) | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 07:14 Kenpachi wrote: Amber denied roleblocking me? Cube did you protect me? I Got a message saying "You were roleblocked last night" the start of Day 2.. No, I mean for Amber to be the traitor, both you, pig, and Amber would have to be lying. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I mean the fact there were 5 "hits" make sense if decon isn't the sk. This is kinda unrelated, but it was something I never got a chance to address BC. You repeatedly state that if Fishball is the traitor he has to provide reds for us to stay alive. 1) Why would the traitor in his situation ever consider hunting for a red? 2) What reds has he found? | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will speak from experience. When I was Traitor back when the role was first introduced to TL, I knew If i got intouch with the mafia I could help them, except I also had to be active enough and not appear as scum. To this regards I analyzed. Pointing out people you think are "red" but not pushing them to a lynch is a good sign for reds to spot you and make contact. Fishball has "analyzed" multiple people this game but never pushed for a lynch. If you believe he is traitor these would be the signs you are looking for, subtle clues in thread to reveal who he is. With a list of 5-6 players it woudl take mafia forever to find him on their own without luck. Him giving signs (finding a few of them, or giving off tell tale signs) would be what they need. The fatal mistake in your thinking is that just because hes traitor (in a no pm game no less) that he will just sit back and wait for them to find him, he has to meet them halfway, or find them. Since he clearly fits your traitor profile, how come you were so resistant to have him lynched the day before? You argue that a traitor fishball should be let to live because he will help the town, yet now state that he would never push a red for a lynch. Have you gained any new information that has changed your mind or do you still advocate keeping him around? On January 15 2011 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Plan to yes, but only because I don't actually think I will live throughout the night. I have a gap between my staff meeting and when i have to be at work tommorrow in which I plan on doing it. Also, isn't it common for scum to promise analysis, but never deliver? @bum. You seemed to indicate that you have information to reveal. Is that something that would be relevant? On January 16 2011 10:48 deconduo wrote: Misder or beneather would be my choice I think. I think it would be dumb of zeks to claim mason as thats easily verified. deconduo suggested I not hit zeks. Combined with his miss on fishball, not sure how trustworthy he is. BC is trying to push a lynch of dec if fishball pops traitor, so its hard to tell. Since nearly 24 hours have passed and we still don't a lynch discussion yet..... ##Vote Fishball | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives. 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit) On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote: Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either. | ||
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On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him. Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him. ##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig. Saying that I could be serial killer wouldn't make sense. [*] Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: You think you can just laugh it off, again? I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this. It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor". Hmm, that seems vaguely familiar. Oh right! | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote: When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip. ##Vote kitaman27 When did I accuse you of accusing me of being the Traitor. WHEN? This is getting silly -_- I asked you who you thought the traitor was with a list of possible suspects. You responded by saying that I left out the fact that I could not be the vig. I responded by asking if that omission meant you thought I was the traitor. Thanks for voting at least. I wish the result of the town would get around to voting unless they want a no-lynch like the day before. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote: Jesus, it's like everyone glances through thread "ANYTHING PERTAIN TO ME? REFUTE! OK GOODNIGHT." I'd like to think fishball is town so that his zeks' list actually means something. But that would leave a traitor in these 4; Kenpachi, kitaman, Amber and cube. I will try to break these down right now so there is no confusion. Kenpachi: Claimed GF Proof - BC and LSB tried to grab GF also, LSB is dead SK vanilla. Bum Role checked. - Chance of LSB lying is improbable, so GF is in the game. Both BC and bum would have to be lying. Ken has to be GF or these three are mafia Not Traitor kitaman27: Claimed Vig Proof - None? Claimed RB from cube. This clears kita's story unless both cube and him are scum, but he is not proven Vig. You still get informed you get RB if you are vanilla AFAIK. Possible Traitor Amber[Light] Claimed RoleBlocker Proof - Kenpachi confirmed he was roleblocked night 1? Unless Cube and amber are in cahoots, it's not something Amber would risk, and also amber was zeks mason. Don't think mason would ally with traitor. Pig also was RB'd night 2, hasn't said anything. Not traitor Likely town CubEdIn Claimed Doctor Proof - Says it roleblocks at the same time. Now I can't make SHIT out of what cube says. He protected kita night 2and it said he was saved and roleblocked which means both are legit, or both are scum. Night 1, I think I've read the 20 pages after night 1 a bunch and I'm missing it. Can you clear this up cube? Might just be me missing it. Not Traitor Bum? I thought we had something special. I could have been your gender-confused batgirl!  This post seems very focused towards making me look bad. I admit I haven't been able to prove I'm vig, but think of it this way. The traitor does not want to eliminate other traitor suspects because that narrows down who could be the bad guy. I have been pushing fishball for two days now to get him lynched because I know I am not the traitor. Fishball has been ignoring the traitor hunt for the most part. I also took a hit last night. While that doesn't clear me, the scum clearly want me dead. Zeks said: Although kita is pretty much our best way to win...even if he was SK. Even the scum mason admits I'm the town's best way to win. He also brings up this SK accusation. Seems like a common scum theme. Could you explain your reasoning for thinking fishball is town? You pass him up for discussion without giving a solid reason why. On January 17 2011 13:08 Fishball wrote: You are full of shit. So you're saying I'm not accusing you of Traitor, yet you ask: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? Then you proceed to "prove" that you can't be the Traitor and the SK at the same time. Do you even make sense? Because I wasn't even talking about "who is the Traitor". I was talking about you. The only comment I had regarding your list, was to point out the fact that you were hiding "certain" possibilities, something that you shouldn't do if you want to make your post convincing. I even said + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up. Wait, so do you think I'm the traitor? Based on this post it doesn't sound like it. On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote: When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip. ##Vote kitaman27 So that probably means you think I'm scum. That means that you think the traitor is still in the top 8 and kenpachi, cube, or amber is the traitor? This isn't adding up. I have not slipped, you are getting desperate. Town: Do you see what is happening here? Fishball is trying to make you guys turn on your town aligned kp. They already tried to kill me at night. Don't fall for this nonsense. | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:44 Amber[LighT] wrote: Just because you were "protected' does not mean you were actually targeted, nor does it prove that mafia attempted to target you, if anything. I'm really suspicious of cubed AND kita right now. Cubed has put no effort into reading the thread or comprehending simple role concepts. It's so half-assed I can't make heads or tails of him and a bunch of the other players here. Both myself and cube received a pm stating that I was targeted by a hit. Like I said before, a SK wouldn't hit the vigilante since they want more people to die at night, which is why I concluded it was scum. I suppose if you think both cube and I are lying about then hit then your argument is true, but I don't see how that could be the most likely situation. | ||
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On January 17 2011 14:22 Fishball wrote: Ok, let Daddy guide you. Mommy tells me not to listen to Daddy since he left us to join the mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2011 22:42 deconduo wrote: I'd be interested in seeing the medic who saved Fishball come forward. By the way, who was your night one hit? | ||
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On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote: Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun.  I'm starting to wonder if he is ever going to show up and explain himself. What a tease :p Could we get the last few votes on fish? The last thing we want is for one or two people to jump off him as time draws nearer or for a politician to pop out of the blue. | ||
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kitaman27
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On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote: Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here... Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight? Here is a sum of beneather's posts: -He supports LSB's plan, then attacks LSB for choosing godfather -Votes for LSB after he is dead -Supports a day one pardon -Abstains day two -Finally agrees to vote fishball when there are 7 other votes on him He hasn't contributed much, but possibly one of the lurker scums. Deconduo hitting a bulletproof would help confirm him as a SK so its an option, unless beneather decides to become more active. | ||
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On January 18 2011 07:17 Beneather wrote: Pressuring me to be more active I see. So now you guys are choosing that we should hit me because I am bullet proof and to see if Deconduo is actually a SK. I wouldn't really mind dieing since I am only a BP to suck up some Mafia shots. How does a day-one claimed BP suck up mafia shots? On January 18 2011 07:17 Beneather wrote: It really looks like you just want to kill anyone that isn't contributing I understand that but how is that playing the objective. We need more townies so we have a lot more chances of killing scum. Thoughts on Pigsquirrel and/or HaploPaithan? | ||
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