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CubEdIn
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But you can't deny that deconduo and kenpachi have been far far more detrimental to the town than anyone else so far. And now deconduo has a role that will probably keep him alive 'till the end of the game if we don't twist the knife. Here's a deal. If deconduo is not gonna get lynched tonight, have him shoot me. If I flip blue/doctor, then lynch him. I'm willing to go 1 for 1. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On January 14 2011 03:23 LSB wrote: Why would the Traitor claim GF? A role that someone who would follow the plan (you're truely), would have picked and possibly hold? So you are saying that deconduo isn't the SK and the mafia killed Jackal? Because it's hard to prove incorrect if you're red (get recruited) since it would require two checks, and because it's easy to fake lol. "My ability is showing up as mafia!" And I don't know who killed Jackal, but if a town did they should have claimed by now. Unless town has CPR which is highly unlikely IMO. Basically it's like this: 1. Number of KPs says that CPR is the game. Not 100% sure but highly likely. 2. What townie would pick CPR knowing that it would be one of the first picks? 3. If Mafia has CPR then they would've known #1 did not pick CPR, which means that #1 is Mafia. Basically, the only other scenario that makes sense is that a townie picked CPR as a fluke and is now picking off random targets in a vigilante-like manner, which is slightly less dangerous than mafia having it, but dangerous none-the-less. | ||
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CubEdIn
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I'm not changing my vote. Still asking for the 1-on-1 with deconduo. If you are sure about me, have HIM shoot me. That way you can save the lynch for another Mafia. I didn't say you should lynch Kenpachi. I said you should lynch deconduo. Kenpachi would be my next choice on the list. Speaking of which, doesn't it strike you as odd that people who have done horrible moves for the town are allowed to shove it under the rug, but I, who only claimed doctor with an extra trait deserves to die? That's pretty scummy LSB. I mean I get BC, he's mad because I lied, but you're making up stuff as we go along. Fine, lynch me. FoS on everyone trying to take the lynch off deconduo. If he really is town, and you are all right, then have him shoot me. Fair, no? | ||
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You have your chance at using your shot. If you're red, you know I'm town. So go on with it. We still have no 100% proof about anyone's role, part from aidnai's I guess. (From the top few players who are still alive I mean). | ||
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CubEdIn
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Why? Take the best case scenario: You kill another mafia first. So? How is it better than killing them the other way around? My most basic concern is this: Are you 100% sure that deconduo was CC? Is there a possibility that he actually was CPR and decided to come up with a way that the town doesn't influence his picks? Basically, you're all making a choice between: 1. Kill a mafia, 100%, find out if he was lying or not, his role, etc. 2. Kill someone who claims is a doctor based on assumptions. And LSB made you think that #2 is the better option, and that keeping Mafias alive is somehow good news for the town. If you wanna keep him alive, have him kill me. That will at least prove he was day vigilante and you're not keeping mafia KP +1 each night. Don't be thick, town. | ||
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CubEdIn
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I know that he claimed SK, but we cannot be sure about that. It makes much more sense that the CPR is still in the game. It's like this, so far I have the following facts: 1. aidnai is witch (because he posted kill list, bla bla) - no idea what alighnement 2. deconduo either missed CPR or said he missed CPR, but CPR has still been chosen => Mafia knew what he picked => He is red. 3. My role, which I know of, but can't really prove unless I'm weak doctor I guess. 4. The mafia didn't think it was a problem killing at least one of the people who could be traitor. Turns out two died already, so there most likely isn't more than 1 red in the top 8 (traitor doesn't count) So, based on this, I would definitely lynch deconduo. It's what I'd do, and I'd gladly 'sacrifice' myself if deconduo dies. I fail to see how his death will hurt the town, but I know that mine won't bring any new information to the game. And all you'll do is go "oh well, he played badly". And sweep it under the rug. Killing one of the more obvious suspects is bound to get more information. Just my two cents. I won't try to defend myself further. If you guys think lynching me is the best option for town, based on that role "tweak" thing I did (lying, yes, I did it), then go ahead, you deserve to lose this game. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
I admitted I lie about the role. There's nothing for Ace to clarify. However, I fail to see how: - that lie was detrimental to the town - it doesn't make sense that I would try to be less of a target for the Mafia | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On January 14 2011 05:09 LSB wrote: How do you know that CPR was still chosen? Also, we aren't letting the KP float around. Suppose Deconduo is red, because we are telling him where to shoot, we essentially control mafia KP. Right, if he's Day Vig. But what if he is, indeed CPR, or night vig or w/e? Then you're not controlling anything. And until you ask him to shoot someone, he can off people at night easily. I asked: are we 100% sure about his role? What are you talking about? Jackel58 was killed by deconduo. Barundar was a Bullet Bill snipe. What? Ok you lost me here. How did deconduo kill anyone if he was the Copy Cat to begin with? Did you completely miss THIS POST? Or am I missing a lot of things here? | ||
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CubEdIn
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Bullet Bill is supposed to detect if players carry a gun or not. Not "Snipe" people. | ||
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CubEdIn
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On January 14 2011 05:19 Eiii wrote: ...he's sk. He can kill one person a night. Regardless of the role? I'm sorry then, I was under the false impression that he had to have a role before he had to start killing people. But even so, that doesn't really clarify anything. We don't know for sure if he's SK or Red. We don't know for sure what role he has, etc. And you THINK you're controlling KPs but he can always claim X was protected, or that he was Role-Blocked, etc. The only thing you can really control is the day vig. And if he is CPR, and red (worst case scenario), then you are actively allowing +2kp for Mafia. Awesome. | ||
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CubEdIn
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At least town won't waste a lynch based on your accusations. | ||
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CubEdIn
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Then I realized it's crappy. I wanted to 'protect' aidnai but I figured if he's telling the truth then: a) i could roleblock him and that would blow b) i could die So I then went on looking for others. My next thought was LSB and post something like "if i belly-up tonight, then LSB is prolly red". But I didn't wanna die so fast. So in the end I decided to cower my way out and protect nobody. But now I'm fine either way. I suggest that I: a) Protect LSB/BC/etc, see if I die b) Protect deconduo in hope of roleblock (in case he's anti-town, we'll see what pops up) c) Protect someone of my choice, let you know 30 mins before daytime, see what happens. Problem is, daytime is about 5am my time, so that last one is crappy for my real life.  | ||
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CubEdIn
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I don't know what kind of doctor I am. I was pretty sure aidnai is scum, but there were not enough votes. Me protecting him and then dying would somewhat prove that he's scum. Same goes for SK. I already said I'm willing to go 1-for-1 if I'm sure that someone if mafia. And I would only die if I found such player, so it's no biggie if I die and manage to reveal a mafia in the process, especially now, that you guys think I'm suspicious. Plus, it would help the town even more by narrowing down the hunt for the traitor. The only reason I stopped was because witch had a very useful ability and could be role-confirmed easily. And I had no sure other targets ('till deconduo posted in the morning). And I didn't "choose not to save". If I was covering someone, it would've been aidnai, lsb, or someone else i thought was scummy. None of the hits were on them so it wouldn't have made a difference. But basically, by "choosing to save" I am choosing to also potentially sacrifice myself or roleblock somone. So don't act like it's a decision one would make in a heartbeat. | ||
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CubEdIn
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It's 2 am and I'm drunk. Here's my take on this: 1. We should lynch someone (but now it's too late I think) 2. We should use Day vig (since if we don't, and deconduo is NOT mafia, he'll prolly get killed tonight just to deny town of one kp, and his extra kp at night). 3. I will use my ability on LSB. This will have 3 outcomes: a) I die -> You guys kill LSB (presuming that you can tell that I died because of that, not mafia hit) -> Remember night vig will have +1 kp tonight. b) I don't die, but I roleblock LSB -> even if he is mafia, we get a good deal c) My protection is worthless ->  Or you guys can just shoot him right now. But I'm thinking it's better to shoot/lynch someone in the top x so we can get closer to finding one traitor. And I am suggesting that Serial Killers hit lurkers tonight. There's bound to be a Mafia around there. #unvote Cubedin #vote Abstain ...I'll still be up for about 1-2 more hrs if I need to change vote. xoxo | ||
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CubEdIn
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If you hit a townie, it's not a useful townie. If you hit a mafia, maybe we can stop lynch in time and give you a shot to use night powers. In fact, shoot someone right now. Anyone you think is scum. Be a hero, help the game! I like vodka. | ||
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On January 15 2011 09:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thats a terrible idea -_-. At the moment it is 9-10 town vs 7-8 anti town (5 mafia, 1 - 2 sk, 1 traitor). Any random townie death pretty well seals the town loss. Well he already shot LSB. ...so it doesn't really matter, he was doing it before I posted. Let's see if he actually IS day vig.  | ||
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