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On January 10 2011 07:19 Fishball wrote:Not to point fingers at Ace, but this is like PYP2 deja vu for me  . When I first saw the list, and you guys started claiming, I was like there is no way I would end up in 10th spot. I originally picked [2][20], but then changed it to [6][20] because my gut told my there would be too many fuckers picking low numbers. I then confirmed with Ace via PM that he did get my [6][20] pick in, which lead me to think someone has to be lying, or there are errors on the list. Good luck to LSB having people draft their "assigned" roles. I'm surely not following it.
in-deed
then again being this low on the draft order ill be lucky to get anything at all. More an honesty check i suspect
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On January 10 2011 07:28 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 07:19 Fishball wrote:Not to point fingers at Ace, but this is like PYP2 deja vu for me . When I first saw the list, and you guys started claiming, I was like there is no way I would end up in 10th spot. I originally picked [2][20], but then changed it to [6][20] because my gut told my there would be too many fuckers picking low numbers. I then confirmed with Ace via PM that he did get my [6][20] pick in, which lead me to think someone has to be lying, or there are errors on the list. Good luck to LSB having people draft their "assigned" roles. I'm surely not following it. in-deed then again being this low on the draft order ill be lucky to get anything at all. More an honesty check i suspect
Hey, you can always take "my" role. What is it? Oh, Doctor!
Just remember not to tell anyone so the Mafia won't hit you.
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Sorry, been very busy this weekend.
Anyway, i did indeed pick 5-1
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I think it's safer to leave bullet bill to someone further down the line, so sk cant just snipe it straight away. As such i will rng between top 6 of the important power roles, excluding vig.
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Posting before reading whole thread FTL:
Have we started sending in our draft picks? I don't see a post from ACE telling us to, but it sounds like some people may have sent their role picks in already?
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Role picks need to be in about 4 hours iirc.
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On January 09 2011 11:21 Ace wrote:
You have 24 hours from now to send in your picks. Which means tomorrow night at 9:30 ET/11:30 KST
More exact.
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According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.
As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch.
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Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct?
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Did a quick read through and it seems most people are opposed to my random pick, so I'll just go with LSB. I'll take CPR.
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Yes, I'm going to follow LSB's plan and take Bullet Proof ! :D
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Preliminary Mafia list.
- BloodyC0bbler
- zeks
- Misder
- aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one)
On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking.
I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC.
Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1]
15. Misder [3] [2]
16. aidnai [3] [3]
17. JimboSilvers [3] [3]
3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really?
I'm picking aidnai due to this post.
On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote:
Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct?
Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope.
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I'll be taking alignment cop.
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On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote:Preliminary Mafia list. - BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one) Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC. Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really? I'm picking aidnai due to this post. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote:
Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct? Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope.
You may have "pointed it out" however I did the posting that pointed out how strange the list picks were. It had basically meant fake claiming or host screwup, my bad chose the wrong one. Don't try to play it off as if you did real work on it however as you did not.
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On January 10 2011 10:23 Fishball wrote:
Die
Fixed your post. You never care my alignment, you just want me dead.
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1 hour left to send in draft picks!
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Ace did you get my pm for my pick?
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Fishball, as stated before, I'm FoSing you.
Before game starts goes like this:
On January 07 2011 08:22 Fishball wrote:
Decided to join last minute, I haven't read anything yet, including OP. I'll read it later when I have time.
I just want to bring this up front first, it will be very unlikely for me to follow LSB's plan.
I thought that the "very unlikely" part would mean that 1) you had a reason to not follow the plan and 2) you were going to consider it.
But then:
On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote:First off, /confirmed. Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 14:16 LSB wrote:On January 07 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
also lsb -_- *facepalm* Your plan gives wayyyyyy to much information to mafia. It also gives the mafia a stupid easy time of faking being town depending on the role they get. I've already addressed information. Mafia had virtually full information in PYP2 and couldn't do much about it. I was the most active Mafia member in that game, and I have also addressed this wasn't the case (selective reading?). I've mentioned in this thread, saying that Radfield's plan had its merits and applied constraints to the Mafia, but for the most part, it wasn't a huge issue. What I mean by constraints, is that Mafia were not able to pick up roles such as Bad Santa, Prince of Darkness, and Compulsive Vigilante, these powerful Pro-Mafia roles as freely as we wanted, forcing us to put more thought into what to pick, as well as "blending in". His plan was also more viable due to a variation of choices per draft, unlike yours. Your plan is basically handing out free information to the Mafia. Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive.
LSB had already addressed that problem, and you still follow through with it. As far as I'm aware, town won PYP 2. Because mafia wasn't able to pick up KP. LSBs plan does the same. First you say that the only problem was not getting the right role as mafia, then you say that the plan gives off too much info, and that's the problem.
On January 08 2011 06:15 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role".
This is exactly the main thing I've been trying to say; The main difference between Radfield's plan and his. Huge difference, to be exact. Oh, and just so it's known to the public. I'm calling BC Mafia/SK!
He says its all bad, but doesn't provide another plan? In the other game I played with him where we were both town, he would always try and get what he though was the right plan of action going. He's not doing it here. Also, the "huge difference" was addressed by LSB, and yet he doesn't back up his reasoning.
Next post is also -.-
On January 08 2011 06:15 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote:On January 08 2011 06:11 Fishball wrote:On January 08 2011 05:15 Pigsquirrel wrote:
You don't have a plan either. We currently have two options: LSB's plan, or chaos.
Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos. I like chaos. What's wrong with that? Makes things exciting. Plus, I don't like to line up in "order" and be executed along with the others one by one. If orgolove was in this game, I bet he would be like "OMFG, scum tell!" Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. and players like me.
So, he wants chaos? What? He basically concedes that without a plan, there will be chaos, and he simply shrugs it off. Deconduo has it almost right, it only benefits the mafia and SK.
His only post after that and before Ace announced drafting order is:
On January 08 2011 07:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 07:31 bumatlarge wrote:I fear for town, so im taking this into my hands if I can. I am going to go [1][1]. I think I will be a competent CPR doc. If I do anything un-town like you can just lynch me, but remember we have to keep an eye on both cpr and CV. But since I go from night 1, and he's not til night 2, we can keep tabs for at least the first day. So town will not go into disarray because of mass confusion on night hits. That was a nice thing to give us Ace. Or we can just leave the slot for a randomn, but I am going [1][1] regardless. Let me get slot 1 dammit.  Makes me want to go [1][2]. I will shock everyone in order of their numbers. Sooner or later, all Mafia/SK will die. Genius.
Useless.
Next couple of posts concern draft order confusion:
On January 09 2011 16:46 Fishball wrote:
I confirmed with Ace my pick is [6][20].
The picture I'm seeing doesn't add up.
On January 09 2011 16:47 Fishball wrote:
Unless I'm missing something, which very well may be (haven't been following closely), people are fake claiming?
Admits that he hasn't followed closely? Again, when Fishball is town, he actually tried to do stuff. Also, with the info provided at the time, there was no way that he would know for certain that people are fake claiming- creating confusion and provides and excuse for it.
On January 10 2011 07:19 Fishball wrote:Not to point fingers at Ace, but this is like PYP2 deja vu for me . When I first saw the list, and you guys started claiming, I was like there is no way I would end up in 10th spot. I originally picked [2][20], but then changed it to [6][20] because my gut told my there would be too many fuckers picking low numbers. I then confirmed with Ace via PM that he did get my [6][20] pick in, which lead me to think someone has to be lying, or there are errors on the list. Good luck to LSB having people draft their "assigned" roles. I'm surely not following it.
Useless post. More defending himself- seems exactly like mafia play. He seems like hes only justifying himself creating confusion. There's no substance to it. He again states hes not following it, yet doesn't provide more of a reason. Remember- he concedes that without a plan, it would cause chaos.
On January 10 2011 07:34 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 07:28 Divinek wrote:On January 10 2011 07:19 Fishball wrote:Not to point fingers at Ace, but this is like PYP2 deja vu for me . When I first saw the list, and you guys started claiming, I was like there is no way I would end up in 10th spot. I originally picked [2][20], but then changed it to [6][20] because my gut told my there would be too many fuckers picking low numbers. I then confirmed with Ace via PM that he did get my [6][20] pick in, which lead me to think someone has to be lying, or there are errors on the list. Good luck to LSB having people draft their "assigned" roles. I'm surely not following it. in-deed then again being this low on the draft order ill be lucky to get anything at all. More an honesty check i suspect Hey, you can always take "my" role. What is it? Oh, Doctor! Just remember not to tell anyone so the Mafia won't hit you.
Mafia would have to kill one by one- and there are two doctors- they can protect each other if needed. Mafia would still not know who to target.
On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote:Preliminary Mafia list. - BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one) Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC. Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really? I'm picking aidnai due to this post. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote:
Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct? Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope.
1st substantial post- but not really. Continues to claim BC is mafia, yet doesn't bring up anything to convince anyone that he is. And accuses some people of being mafia because the # were close. I'll give you that it does seem a bit suspicious, but I'll explain in the next post why it is unlikely. Also, his analysis is all based off #, not posts/behavior- which means hes not really trying to out anyone- more like he seems to be contributing but not really.
Also, your fight with BC seems so unrealistic- makes me want to think that both of you are mafia. BC hasn't posted much either- I may have to write up something on him too.
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