Well, I find this lack of information to be rather annoying, with nothing to go on, and having to vote, perhaps lynching an inactive is the only choice (lynching the most active person certainly dosn't seem like the best idea

), basically unless more information crops up I think we have to lynch an inactive.

What are we going to do if everyone posts though?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 04 2011 18:37 GMT

#163

Alright, I counted up who has the least number of posts and by my count that would be Beneather/Bloody_C0bbler (if I counted right, I was slightly rushed as chem lecture was almost over). I'll remind you guys that TheMango is away for most of today and hence why he hasn't been posting. I understand that Beneather is having difficulty in reaching BC but that could just be a clever tactic on BC's part (then again its possible he is just busy). Also Ace, whats up with "You should just vote for whoever you think will not help you win the game."? That's a rather... interesting post.

Anyway, I have to go to calculus now, I'll probably check back in with a vote after that.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 04 2011 21:49 GMT

#174

##Vote Beneather/BC

As I said earlier they only have two posts, neither of which seems contribution, I understand BC might be away or something, but I want to preempt any possibility of him being a cautious lurker

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 04 2011 21:51 GMT

#175

since I cant edit and grammar mistakes annoy me to no end, I meant "neither of which seem to be a contribution" as the sentence stands now it makes no sense

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 05 2011 01:52 GMT

#206

Well, this is causing quite a stir. Ace you seem to be pretty upset at the vote against orgolove. I didn't see this kind of reaction to when Beneather/BloodyC0bbler were under attack. But I like LSB's question. Who do you propose Ace?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 05 2011 21:49 GMT

#264

On January 06 2011 05:52 TheMango wrote:

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I don't see a reason why we cant have a general discussion and still put pressure on people/scum hunt. However, I think we should be very careful on giving any kind of specific direction or advice to our blues without first knowing the setup.

I completely agree, we don't even know if we have blues but if we do the last thing we want is to spell out their moves to the mafia. I also think its a good proposition to put pressure on people. So, speaking of pressure aidnai why would you want to forestall discussion isn't that a bit suspicious? and Ace you still have some explaining to do, I believe LSB asked you a couple questions.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 06 2011 03:48 GMT

#275

Well, LSB did leave us with a FOS for ace, so I propose we start by pressuring him. So Ace, care to justify your actions over the last day?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 06 2011 13:58 GMT

#290

Ok, this is me being a noob and all that but what does hypocop mean?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 07 2011 18:51 GMT

#313

The thing about Subversion is that I dont feel like he has posted enough for me to get a good read on him, which is why I think there is a possibility that he is a red (he could also just be a bored townie, they can be hard to tell apart sometimes).

We've decided against the hypocop idea, correct?

adanai, while you seem fine right now but i'd like an explanation of why you think we should avoid discussion during the night, thats as far as I know not really beneficial for the town. At this point you seem to be doing more good than bad, and to be honest when I tried to analyze your posts I got nothing definitive(it could be the fact that I'm not very good at it

) I'll take a look at KJ later and form an opinion based on that, for now adanai you are on my undecided list, right now you seem pro-town, but that could just be a clever camouflage.

in my mind we also need to pressure the Meapak_Ziphh/Ace team a little more, as I think they may well be scum (if nothing else Ace's whole "you should lynch people who aren't going to help you win" attitude is very disturbing)

For now the reasons given are compelling enough for me to vote Orgolove

##Vote Orgolove/Flamewheel

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 07 2011 22:03 GMT

#315

Sorry aidnai, now that you mention it I do remember reading your response, I guess thats what lack of sleep does to my reasoning processes.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 07 2011 23:44 GMT

#320

On January 08 2011 08:22 deconduo wrote:
I'm reading the analyses. My problem is that I think both orgolove and kingjames are scummy (flamewheel hasn't posted enough and aidnai's posts seem legit to me), but its pretty obvious that at least one of them isn't maf.

I certainly agree that orgolove feels pretty scumy, my worry is that if the kingjames/aidnai team is mafia then they are doing a very good job of hiding it and leading the lynches, which means if we dont hit a mafia tonight, I'll be almost certain that they are and need to be hung. Right now I'm in the most serious of doubts. For now I think I'll keep my vote as it is, its a vote of confidence that kingjames and aidnai are not infact scum and that orgolove is. If they are wrong though then they better have a really persuasive candidate.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 09 2011 06:20 GMT

#345

well, it looks like I didn't miss much while my power was out. I am waiting for the day post with some anticipation as well

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 09 2011 22:53 GMT

#387

##Vote Nemesis/Chaoser

Persuaded by the above arguments, there's still time for me to change it if I change my mind but for now this is it

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 09 2011 22:54 GMT

#388

##Vote Nemesis/Chaoser
forgot to bold

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 10 2011 02:37 GMT

#395

an in depth discussion of what the mafia may have been thinking

Lets take it from day 1 shall we

Day 1: Mafia discovers which setup they are up against, sort of, they either have a role blocker or they don’t. Lets see where both paths lead

Day 1 with a role blocker, basically here the mafia has one goal, to try to establish whether they are up against 2 blues or no blues, if they are up against two blues then they have to try to get them to claim asap to take them out

Day 1 without a roleblocker. The mafia knows they are up either against a medic or a DT, the challenge is to establish which and take it out as soon as possible, if they play their hand right they may be able to fake claim the other role.

Night 1 with or without- the mafia chooses to take out LSB the most vocal person in the town, this is the obvious choice for the medic to protect and as LSB dies the mafia can essentially conclude that there is no medic or that the medic is rather stupid

Night 1 with a role blocker- Here is where things get interesting, if the mafia has a role blocker then they chose to role block Subversion, this would make sense if there is a possibility they might be up against two blues, also they don’t know whether their hit on LSB has been successful yet, hence their only real choice was to use it. Why Subversion? If the mafia is moderately intelligent they noticed that he was essentially just lurking and hence could possibly be a blue trying to avoid the mafia’s attention on the first day.

Night 1 without a role blocker – this one assumes that Subversion is Mafia, and is claiming to be role blocked to make the town think that they are in setup 1 or 2. However this to me seems like a less than wise choice, unless the mafia is prepared to have the other member claim to be role blocked the following day, honestly if the mafia did this it had to be to setup a fake role claim, if this is so where is it and why hasn’t it manifested? Also why did the second member not claim his role block today allowing one the members to claim a probable setup 2 and thus a “fake claim” from Nemesis? For this reason this seems unlikely. It just feels way too ballsy for mafia no real tangible benefit.

Day 2 with a role blocker - The mafia is pretty content with the fact that Subversion is gathering suspicion for telling the town he was role blocked, since none of their members are under suspicion (the only threatened people are subversion and the aidnai teams, as well as Orgolove all of which they know to be innocent. (Since the mafia would have to be Nemesis and meapak or Aidnai, and nemesis’ attack on Aidnai clears him in my mind if we assume this setup, hence leaving meapak as the only viable other scum)

Day 2 without a role blocker, this incriminates aidnai as he seems to push for Orgolove/Flamewheel and barely manages to escape the push forming against him, in this case subversion and aidnai basically have to be mafia, and they are just happy that they avoided death, it still doesn’t account for why aidnai didn’t either claim to have been role blocked the following morning, thus clearing subversion and setting up Nemesis for a rather harsh fall or claim the missing role, medic. This leads me to suspect that the mafia does in fact have a role blocker, and that they’ve been very wise about how to use him.

Night 2 with a role blocker – the mafia hits and either role blocks Subversion again (as claiming hey I was role blocked for the second time would make him doubly suspicious) or chooses to save the block, knowing that if they can get Sub to hang then the game is in the bag for them.

Day 3 – here nemesis role claims, leading to our current predicament, one of two situations, either Nemesis and meapak are scum or Nemesis is clear and subversion and aidnai are scum.

As I see it would make no sense for a member of the mafia to claim to have been role blocked and then have no follow up on the following day, and no fake roleclaim, for this reason I believe the mafia has a role blocker and that Nemesis is most certainly mafia, with meapak almost certainly being the other.

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

January 11 2011 21:00 GMT

#486

I felt this game was really awesome, Its kind of a shame I missed the last day, but I was buried under tones of work I had to get done. Overall it was a pretty epic first game for me, and I certainly intend to participate in more mafia games. gg wp guys.