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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 07 2010 03:42 GMT
#18
/in

i think im only in the hp game
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 20:45:58
December 08 2010 20:44 GMT
#95
On December 08 2010 15:28 Hesmyrr wrote:
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On December 08 2010 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ok if i got a result like this:
ace team rocket
ver team rocket
bloodycobbler team rocket
fishball team rocket
amber team rocket
kingjames team rocket

obviously that's no fair

no point in analysing it really. sometimes i want to see specific people be certain roles before the game starts and there is no way anyone could really predict that

btw I would love to do this just to see what will happen xD


Rule of thumb... I'm never mafia. It's a gift to be this good-hearted

It would be really imba if you replaced Fishball, myself, and KJ with Qatol, Incog, and Chuiu (for some old school measure)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 09 2010 22:46 GMT
#154
On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote:
Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do?


Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open.

We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 09 2010 22:47 GMT
#156
*Things like role checks.


I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 10 2010 02:37 GMT
#266
I don't know if the inactive plan is really going to be good. This is why I figured the DT's should be smart enough to make their own decisions and post only when they come across something ground breaking.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 10 2010 14:22 GMT
#321
On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey...


Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise.

I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something.

Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 10 2010 19:11 GMT
#332
On December 10 2010 23:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On December 10 2010 15:22 Insanious wrote:
So now we have 4 people voting for Gabriel with little to no explanation... actually I think like only 1 person explained why they were voting for Gab and the other three didn't even say they were voting for him or why... bandwagon on an active, outspoken player? Me no likey...


Gabriel did out himself pretty early as a big voice in this game. This could split one of 2 ways. Mafia could want to shut him up (Gabriel = Pro-Pokealliance), hence the votes, or he's hoping that if he barks loud enough the town will bend to his will later on (Gabriel = Pro-Team Rocket. People like to jump on power players when they're not "known" in these games, so the votes aren't completely at a surprise.

I'm iffy about Gabriel. I looked at his posting history and he did play in BC's game early this year. He was a vigilante and was quiet, didn't spark controversy, and eventually died by like Night 2 or something.

Now he's being loud, so I'm encouraged to believe he's a vocal pikachu, or a team rocket member. Don't forget Gengar is more-or-less the Godfather, but based upon what his role description says, he can manipulate role checks. This makes him a sort of godfather with less power, so Gengar probably won't be vocal in the thread, unlike SouthRawrea in Salem mafia.


Ignore this I was incorrect about how I thought Gengar functioned in this game.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 11 2010 00:02 GMT
#353
On December 11 2010 08:58 KtheZ wrote:
How much longer do we have to vote? Around a day, right?


Tomorrow night
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 11 2010 13:45 GMT
#397
I'm more inclined to believe Kenpachi is TR vs. Zeks being TR. His playstyle has been really ambiguous and, for a lack of better words, poor. There's no reason to make posts like the one above (see tree.huggers spoiler) unless you weren't ready to commit to something.

I was thinking about the game last night and trying to figure out how each side will play. Unfortunately for Team Rocket they have a lot to worry about in this game. They need to make sure they can lynch Mewtwo. Not only is he a 3rd party vigilante, but he's immune to night hits. Team Rocket will need to align with//manipulate the town on this one. When a hit fails, it would be a good idea for one team rocket member to step forward and claim for the team that a hit didn't follow throw. This will help Team Rocket keep their anonymity but will eliminate a threat to both the pokealliance and themselves. Consider the idea, Team Rocket.

I'm also inclined to believe that Team Rocket will need to assimilate themselves into the pokealliance's plans, so it just seems weird that Gabriel, Zeks, and Kenpachi are posting how they are posting. It doesn't seem suspicious when you consider the fact that they need to avoid an extra threat as well.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 11 2010 13:46 GMT
#398
i love the word "inclined," it helps describe my feelings better. (didn't mean to repeat)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 13 2010 03:28 GMT
#524
So where's the 4th hit?

And it would be safe to assume that whoever Tree.Hugger put his voltorb on was mewtwo. He didn't leave much of a paper trail on that though.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 13 2010 03:29 GMT
#525
On December 13 2010 12:27 BrownBear wrote:
Youch. So tree.hugger either voltorb'd one of the two other deaths (probably jcarlson) or he forgot to place one.

Well, that sucks.


Based upon the description for Electrod he should only be able to place one Voltorb per night.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 13 2010 03:29 GMT
#526
*Electrode
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 14 2010 19:54 GMT
#588
On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote:
The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil.

We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this.

Actually, Shockeyy needs to explain himself, period. He only has ONE post thus far in the thread:
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On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On December 12 2010 04:35 tree.hugger wrote:
On December 11 2010 17:41 tree.hugger wrote:My hunch is that he's not going to be able to commit fully to anything, no matter how much we prod.





On December 12 2010 02:30 Kenpachi wrote:
asdf. even when i post, i get pointed scum
On December 12 2010 02:35 Kenpachi wrote:
okay so yea my posts were bad but what can i say? i couldnt offer anything there and there. So i voted Gabriel for blatant bandwagon. Then he reacts and i defend.
On December 12 2010 02:27 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote tree.hugger
On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town.

youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic?

On December 12 2010 04:13 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 12 2010 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 12 2010 04:10 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 12 2010 03:39 DCLXVI wrote:
Thank you insanious and tree.hugger, I hope to see more people post like that. I don't understand why people are letting Kenpachi off the hook for bad posting. So what if he has a history of being less than stellar for the town. We cannot allow him to spam and distract the town because even if he isn't mafia, this helps the mafia. He is playing in a way that benefits the mafia, so even if he isn't (though I think he is), he is dangerous for the town. I really don't like the defense used by darth and meepak of "oh, well this is just how he normally plays". Townies don't intentionally hurt the town by doing what kenpachi is doing.
I'll hopefully be back in a bit before the vote ends, but I feel safe in putting my vote on Kenpachi. Every vote on him is a vote to clean up the town.

youre dumb. what if i happened to be DT or Medic?


Are you claiming DT or medic?

no i am not


Word. I suppose we'll get treated to angry defending eventually, as he's in the lead right now, but hey, that might be too committed.


Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway.

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A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days?
B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive?
C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP?
D) It doesnt. shh
E) ?? its enlightenment
F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831&currentpage=14#270


When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo.

I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of.


I'll be back in the evening, so don't go anywhere.


Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to.


Lol you're terrible scum. You sit around throwing names around after inactivity to make it look like a contribution. You picked me out because I'm not the most active person in the thread, yet I've been confident with most of my posts. I corrected any mistakes or misinterpretations I originally had.

Kenpachi was the right choice. There's nothing more to discuss. I think we're analyzing too much on the night actions.

I believe Hesmyrr so I'm going to believe Pandain when he takes his place, if anything.

Vote for obvious scum.

Vote for ShoCkeyy
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 14 2010 22:57 GMT
#635
[QUOTE]On December 15 2010 07:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Want to bandwagon against me? Well heres your chance to now redeem yourselves from what I'm about to post.

Analysis for Day 1:

Already agreeing with each other, but hey this isn't enough yet.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 10 2010 07:43 LSB wrote:
I'll just use posts made before
Inactives:
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A big problem in every mafia game is inactivity. I don't want another drag_ being able to squeak by with barely any posts. We should immediately show it is not okay to be inactive.

Inactive players hurt the town as they waste lynches down the road as the town will need to try to separate the mafia from the inactives.

We should therefore lynch an inactive day one. This will force the assassins to discuss and not be able to turtle, increasing the chance they will slip up.


Plan
Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM

DO NOT CLAIM

Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas.
One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town.
The Alakazam should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia.
The Chansey's should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions.

On December 10 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote:
*Things like role checks.

I agree with LSB as well, no role claiming strategies. They almost never work.



On December 10 2010 10:03 d3_crescentia wrote:
Hesmyrr with the insubstantial "I agree" post. Let's watch out for him.



d3, why don't you also watch out for your team mates? or are you trying to confuse the town as well. Here's some more agreeing by LSB, BUT CONTRADICTING. First d3 says meh to LSB plan, but then later on agrees to LSB plan.

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On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote:
LSB's blue plan is pretty meh. It's not a good plan of attack for our Zams to check lurkers and inactives; they should be checking people who could be scum, including whoever is contributing the most. Keep in mind that all the mafia needs to do is to distract and confuse the town enough so that they make poor decisions.


On December 10 2010 10:11 LSB wrote:
Remember, the town's best weapon is analysis. By checking the inactives, we flush out the mafia to the limelight where they easily could be found. We want the mafia to attempt to distract the town, this way we can catch onto what they are doing. The town has to be vigilant to guard against these attempts
+ Show Spoiler +

Discussing a plan is one of the best ways to generate activity and catch a scum btw


On December 10 2010 10:15 d3_crescentia wrote:
I'd rather we just kill the inactives. I think checking them is a waste.



Some more agreeing from d3 to LSB
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On December 10 2010 10:32 d3_crescentia wrote:
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On December 10 2010 10:31 LSB wrote:

Wait. What?
Lynch is less important than a DT check?

Seconded. That is kind of bullshit.






Something a townie once said, which is quite true. Why would you go into a game already telling what people to do? Why do you constantly force your opinion to be "the voice of reasoning"
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On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:

@LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around.


On December 10 2010 09:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 10 2010 09:53 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2010 09:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 10 2010 09:40 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2010 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also @LSB: I don't think we should say "we need to lynch inactives". While it may pressure scum to come out from hiding, I have seen it hit town more often than not. I think we need to deal with who is out and talking and giving us things to analyze rather than just blindly shooting into a room with a shotgun.

How do you propose we deal with inactives/lurkers then?
We can't just 'leave it for another day'. It's going to be a problem, and if we have no good leads day one, we should do this early, rather than late.

On December 10 2010 08:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
@LSB: While trying to coordinate blues seems good, I have to say, the more games I play, the more I hate to see people directing blues in thread. On Day 1, I think they need to do what they think needs to be done without influence from the thread. Any direction from the thread can also be seen by scum, and thus they will be clued in as well. No, obviously, I know that the blues don't need to listen to what is said in the thread, but they will be influenced by what is said. Let's hope we have good blues this time around.

So your saying that plans are bad?
Interesting. Take my plan, what's bad about it?


I agree that we should point to inactives if we have no other leads, but I'm saying to not just say "ok, let's find the inactives" right away. We have 48 hours to find candidates for lynch, no reason to dismiss the possibility of finding one right off the bat.

I didn't say your plan was bad, seeing as you didn't really post a plan, nor did I say the word "plan" I was merely pointing out my own observations. What you had posted was good, it was vague, and a good general direction. Getting anymore specific than that at this point can be dangerous.


On December 10 2010 09:40 Gabriel wrote:
On December 10 2010 09:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also @LSB: I don't think we should say "we need to lynch inactives". While it may pressure scum to come out from hiding, I have seen it hit town more often than not. I think we need to deal with who is out and talking and giving us things to analyze rather than just blindly shooting into a room with a shotgun.

I rather start the blind shoot into this small room with a shotgun. We are not getting analysis going too far away day one. Picking the right guy at the right time is picking a dead weight at first.


How can you possibly say this? The game literally just started, and we have 48 hours to scumhunt. Again, I am going to say, there is no reason to dismiss the idea of finding a lynch candidate Day 1.

You must understand. In order to make sure that people are active, we have to decide early that we going to punish people who are inactive. This way, people are going to be warned and hopefully people won't be inactive. Best case scenario we won't have to lynch an inactive person in the first place since everyone will contribute to the town.

I notice you avoided discussion on my 'general direction.'
Do you support it? Why?
Do you now think we should give general directions to blues?


I don't not support it (if that makes any sense). I am going under the assumption that our blues are at least halfway competent players, and will be able to think for themselves to use their roles effectively. This may be very naive though.

I think general direction right now is fine for now, as long as we don't get too specific, especially Day 1. The last thing I want is for blues to be sniped right away. In this sense, I definitely agree with you that everyone should keep their roles secret for now.



Tube Calling out LSB after LSB tried to "Defend" himself from Kav
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On December 11 2010 14:39 tube wrote:

Also, before you defend LSB you should take another look at the manners in which hes been posting
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On December 11 2010 12:55 LSB wrote:
Kav, you completely misinterpreted what I did in the game.
Take a look at my posts with Jcarlsoniv. They are not spam, they serve a specific purpose. If you want me to explain, sure... but it's quiet36the point where he does not have to explain them. (or can't?)


Day 2 Coming soon.


You should probably also note in your smear campaign that the post you quoted from me wasnt a simple agree. I had another post that you neglected:

[QUOTE]On December 10 2010 07:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2010 07:42 Oceanic wrote:
Doesn't it say in 1 of the guides posted that lynching an inactive day 1 is not something you should do?[/QUOTE]

Lynching an inactive typically results in lynching an apathetic townie. Everyone should be posting frequently to discuss who should die for day 1. There are no PM's so everything should be out in the open.

We should really worry less about how the blues should play. Thinks like role checks won't be overly reliable, and saving people cannot be discussed in the thread. It probably would be a good idea for the electrodes to think about where to place voltorbs and pick up on good scum tells.[/QUOTE]
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 14 2010 23:13 GMT
#637
On December 15 2010 08:06 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But you certainly agreed with jumping on the "ShoCkeyy" bandwagon with d3 after me just naming you. I never pointed you out as scum, I basically just said that there's other people to be pointing at as well that he never mentioned. Then all the sudden after d3 and you voted for me, here comes LSB voting for me as well, when all three of you don't even have any form of analysis or clues as to why I am scum. You just "assumed" I am scum, all three of you that have been backing each other up for a while now in this game.


There was no bandwagon. I don't understand where you got this thought from. If there was a bandwagon you would be ahead in votes.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 15 2010 13:12 GMT
#683
Okay guys thanks for listening to me. Shockeyy should be eliminated come Day 2. Medics should NOT protect themselves if they can. They should be blue-hunting. If you suspect someone is a pika/raichu then ignore them and move on.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 15 2010 13:12 GMT
#684
ay 3

Voting Zeks was a silly bandwagon. Hence why I never even discussed it or spoke about it.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 15 2010 14:22 GMT
#690
On December 15 2010 23:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On December 15 2010 22:12 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Okay guys thanks for listening to me. Shockeyy should be eliminated come Day 2. Medics should NOT protect themselves if they can. They should be blue-hunting. If you suspect someone is a pika/raichu then ignore them and move on.


Yes vote for me... you still haven't even given a good excuse to the town as to why to vote for me. . At least i actually gave input as to what i think about and proved you, lsb, and d3 are scum....


You've been tripping all over your own posts, leaving things out, neglecting other posts, taking things out of context. Without a doubt this is scum-play, and bad scum-play at that.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 15 2010 14:31 GMT
#692
On December 15 2010 23:27 Brocket wrote:
I am more interested in defenders of Gabriel and players FoSing Shockey than Gabriel and Shockeyy now. I'm not feeling as intense on Gabe as I felt over day 2 but I'm thinking that's cos he hasn't been talking much. Maybe if he posts more it'll reignite my burning passion to lynch him out.

People springing to mind:

LSB (really quick change vote from gabe to shockey and muddied the anti gabe arguments, didn't offer much on zeks even though zeks earned compelling arguments).

Oceania &Seraph (said to death, lack of posts and jumping on teh wagon. I don't think much about posters like these but even I noticed a lack of posts from Oceania and Seraph. It's way too easy to sit back and vote, you got to get in the game if you want to stay).

Amber (really quick on voting Shockeyy, way too quick especially when we were already divided about zeks and gabriel. d3 has distanced himself from you and i think lsb will plan to as well.)

But I'm going to let other people talk now. I feel like my posts have made some people shy away from posting their ideas/opinions which isn't good. Please post something you think has happened or looks strange.

As far as me voting myself: I will vote myself if suspicion falls on me and you guys want to confirm I'm a townie. I already said that I believed zeks/gabe were mafia and I'm already half wrong.




D3, LSB, and I have no real connection. I didn't even know that D3 voted for ShoCkeyy, I was just ready to get a good lynch target on the map. I was waiting for the right person to start FoSing, and Shockeyy fell right into it. It could have been anyone, but an inactive that makes posts without substance and posts of straight-out lies makes him an obvious target.
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