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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 09:37 GMT
#13
/in
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 20:30 GMT
#20
On November 30 2010 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
these roles are so crazy im either going to look like a genius or an absolute retard for putting them in a game

I can't wait
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 21:05 GMT
#31
Awesome node + glasse means its full
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 21:07 GMT
#33
On November 30 2010 06:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm assuming Glasse is in. If he isn't then we need 1 more. once he confirms I'll send the role PM's.

Well he did say /in (inside the spoiler)
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 21:11 GMT
#36
On November 30 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
I'm a cat. MEOW!

:3

grats on the trophy thingy
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 22:37 GMT
#59
Hmm, I think I might roleclaim. As far as I can see having my role secret will only cast suspicion on me, as its a pretty shitty role =/ I don't think it will help maf in anyway to know what it is.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 22:43 GMT
#64
On November 30 2010 07:41 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 07:37 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, I think I might roleclaim. As far as I can see having my role secret will only cast suspicion on me, as its a pretty shitty role =/ I don't think it will help maf in anyway to know what it is.


Idk if you are serious or not, but read the day post and it says this: A voice from the heavens said "on the first day, thou shalt not roleclaim".

Not sure what can happen if you challenge the voice from the heavens.

Well then, on day 2 I will. Missed that in the day post, obviously I shouldn't skim >.<
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 29 2010 23:33 GMT
#70
On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:
Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.

Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia?

Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere.

Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them.

So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?


Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 00:09 GMT
#72
Quick Tally:

Coag votes Fishball
SR votes Coag
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 00:52 GMT
#81
On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.




I believe a pharmacist is like a nerfed medic. If the person they are trying to save gets attacked, the person doesn't die but they do. Might be wrong on this though
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 00:54 GMT
#83
Are we allowed say if one of the clues points towards ourselves, or is that too close to roleclaiming?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 00:56 GMT
#85
damn >.>
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 00:57 GMT
#86
Ok guise lets lynch someone so we can hurry up to day 2 :3
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 01:13 GMT
#93
So aeres just replaced glasse?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 01:17 GMT
#95
Hai Aeres o/

Lurkerz: Barun, RoL, Pandain

The game hasn't been on a long time though.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 01:17 GMT
#96
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


I was mostly kidding <3
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 01:18 GMT
#98
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 10:34 GMT
#121
orgo votes fishball
annul votes fishball
Coag votes fishball
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
SR votes coag
jcarl votes coag
RoL votes aidnai

Not voted:

barundar
Aidnai
deconduo
pandain
kingjames01
Node
SouthRawrea
Glasse/Aeres
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 13:52 GMT
#125
Pandain's last post in the Salem maf was at 05.10, about an hour before this game started. So I assume he just hasn't been around for whatever reason.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 14:40 GMT
#128
orgo votes fishball
annul votes fishball
Coag votes fishball
RoL votes aidnai
barun votes aidnai
aeres votes aidnai
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
SR votes coag
jcarl votes coag


Not voted:

Aidnai
pandain
kingjames01
Node
SouthRawrea
deconduo

Still needs 5 more votes to lynch anyone, so no danger for a while.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 14:42 GMT
#129
As regards the lovers thing, its possible that someone got the role of a 'lover' They then picked someone to 'love' who was born anew. The power is that they can communicate with each other through PM, and if one dies so does the other. The person they picked might be anything, maf or townie.

This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 14:45 GMT
#131
On November 30 2010 23:43 Barundar wrote:
Who do you plan on voting for then?

The role on mafia wiki that most resembles a beggar: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hobo


Not too sure yet, still a lot of stuff going around and I don't want to place a vote just yet.

The 'Town Drunk' is also another name for a roleblocker, he visits someone during the night and gets drunk with them, preventing them from taking any night actions. Its another possibility.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 17:11 GMT
#136
On December 01 2010 01:40 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 01:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:
On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies

Now this is interesting.

The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player.

One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane.

Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy.


Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes.

I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor.


I dont think so. The idea of two detectives, one sane one insane seems pretty reasonable in this sort of setup.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 17:24 GMT
#138
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)

Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)

A child is playing in the yard. (4)

A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)

Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)

A man begs in the street. (8)

Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)

10 role clues given so far. That leaves 2 more if only town clues are given, 5 more otherwise.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
November 30 2010 23:51 GMT
#197
On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Ghrur

Ghrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction.

His posts:

On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?

rules

I know, I know.

On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:
Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.

Okay?

On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)

Well, might as well be bold.

##Vote RebirthofLegend


This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later.

How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?

On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that.

Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post

On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:
On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


I was mostly kidding <3


Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>

What? Ghrur explain this.


Sure, I'll explain.
Here's my thoughts on Decond so far.
I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do.

+ Show Spoiler +
Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend

Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.

Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.

Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?


+ Show Spoiler [OTHER MAFIA CANDIDATES] +

Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed

Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly


Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point:

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)

Well, might as well be bold.

##Vote RebirthofLegend



Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write:

On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote:

Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?


So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs.

On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post.

The end.




Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles.

Other points:

+ Show Spoiler +


Doesn't wanna vote

Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead.

"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.

We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS

Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?

Much more useful information than you have posted.

The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously.



Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made.

FoS ghrur
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 01:23 GMT
#204
Hai ~Opz
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 13:37 GMT
#255
You are taking this way too far ghrur, and you are either being blindly stupid or scummy.

+ Show Spoiler +


On December 01 2010 11:54 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 10:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.

## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai


On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.


Really necessary though?

To address ghrur:

Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics

I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.

Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly

This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.



Okay, I'm good with that.

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 08:51 deconduo wrote:
On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote:
On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Ghrur

Ghrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction.

His posts:

On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?

rules

I know, I know.

On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:
Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.

Okay?

On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)

Well, might as well be bold.

##Vote RebirthofLegend


This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later.

How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?

On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that.

Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post

On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:
On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


I was mostly kidding <3


Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>

What? Ghrur explain this.


Sure, I'll explain.
Here's my thoughts on Decond so far.
I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do.

+ Show Spoiler +
Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend

Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.

Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.

Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?


+ Show Spoiler [OTHER MAFIA CANDIDATES] +

Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed

Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly


Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point:

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)

Well, might as well be bold.

##Vote RebirthofLegend



Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write:

On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote:

Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?


So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs.


You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/

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On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post.

The end.




Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles.


Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig.

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Other points:

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Doesn't wanna vote

Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead.


Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching.

Except not. I know exactly when the day would end in salem. I know that if I go to sleep, there will still be x hours left when I wake up to read over what has happened, and to change my vote. In this game, the day can end at ANY time. With so few players, each vote is vital, and not to be fucked around with. It takes only 5 townies to be wrong to lynch a townie (+3 maf) and this will get worse as the game goes on. If I place a vote frivolously then it only takes 4. With possibly vote manip roles, that could be down to 3 or 2. While this is somewhat unreasonable, its still a possibility.

Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said,
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Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?
Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much?

Pressure does not mean voting. Also read down.

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"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.

We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS


That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there.

So please, almighty scholar, tell me how to give a suggestion on how the clues work without using the words possibly/maybe/could/theory/assumption/implies/probably etc. I'd loooooooove to hear it. Oh also, please show me where you contributed by helping analyse the clues.

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Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?

Much more useful information than you have posted.


Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes.

So you admit you haven't contributed, and yet are trying to make a case for someone being mafia because they haven't contributed.

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The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously.



I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion.

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Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made.

FoS ghrur


Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^

No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea:

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This is the type of gem to look for!! Note the blatant contradiction in logic, the excuse of adhering to some mysterious 'principle' despite saying specifically how good of a candidate YM is.


Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time?

Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond.

Once again, made up case where there is none. Where have I contradicted myself? I suggested to put pressure on lurkers, but hey, what lurkers? There are these things called timezones. Voting someone when they are asleep doesn't do anything. Not posting in 24 hours is lurking, but that didn't happen for anyone. We don't really have any lurkers, as everyone has either posted sufficiently or been switched out.

YOU have no idea what my role is. I decided that it helps town to know my role rather than have it hidden, and YOU can't say otherwise.





I don't know why you've decided to try and push on me, but its certainly a big change from how you acted in salem. This leads me to believe you are just trying too hard and failing rather than being mafia. You've got the wrong person, get over it.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 13:41 GMT
#256
Oh, and hurr durr I deny being mafia.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 22:09 GMT
#320
On December 02 2010 06:59 LSB wrote:
Now that I think about it, deconuo is probably a lover with someone he dislikes...

Anyways, lovers come in pairs of one mafia, one town right? Not a bad tradeoff
##Vote:Deconduo

I'm not a lover.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 22:20 GMT
#322
Quick tally, I think its right:

Aidnai - 3
Voters: Barundar, ghrur, node

Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea

Fishball - 2
Voters: annul, aidnai

Annul - 1
Voters: Fishball,

Deconduo - 1
Voters: LSB

orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames

kingjames - 1
Voters: opz


Not voting: deconduo, jcarl, aeres, coag
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 00:36 GMT
#328
##Vote SouthRawrea

Hope I'm right.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 00:39 GMT
#331
Damnit
I fail
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 00:39 GMT
#333
Oh, and I'm the guy in the black hood
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 00:42 GMT
#336
Anyway, my roleclaim is this:

I can only vote if my vote hammers.

However I can kill someone that has half the required votes at any time. This can't be used on consecutive days. Kind of like a gimped day vig.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 01:06 GMT
#340
On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?

And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"?


If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 14:38 GMT
#363
On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote:
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On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol.


Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion".

Just throwing it out there and stirring it up.


Insanely overpowered mafia role then. It would essentially mean that town can only lynch a mafia every second day. And why would I claim it. I send in the execution to Dr.H and it happens anonymously, hence my reason for claiming. It helps town to know who I am so as not to cause confusion and chaos.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 15:19 GMT
#366
On December 03 2010 00:18 Node wrote:
Deconduo's role seems more town-oriented to me. In a game like this where mafia has as much power as they do over the vote, it would be ridiculous to essentially hand the lynch to them. This gives the town an opportunity to end the freakin' day when they can't overcome the mafia influence on the lynch.

I wish you hadn't roleclaimed. :/ Your role is too powerful to die night 1.



I may have something up my sleeve
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 16:00 GMT
#368
On December 03 2010 00:21 Barundar wrote:
At the risk of looking stupid when night post hits, it makes sense to have a mafia executioner to counterweight the majority vote system. It is harder for mafia to win with a sudden vote switch when half the players needs to vote.

Decon, could you explain why you decided to execute SR as soon as you had the chance, and not Aidnai? You kept your hand over him.

Aidnai defended Decon, so there is a possible link.


I was suspicious of the bandwagon on aidai. Both in how quickly it formed and how quickly it disappeared. Nothing to do with the fact that he defended me (I didn't even see that tbh, can you link the post?)
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 02 2010 17:56 GMT
#386
On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.

One strikes back, the other strikes early


im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn


I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 02:30 GMT
#405
So uh, when is day?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 15:52 GMT
#468
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 15:54 GMT
#470
On December 04 2010 00:42 LSB wrote:
Guys, stop talking about who is the insane detective, take a look at the clues

Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder
Coagulation could have the third eye... I can't seem to fit a role with him, but I believe his claim.

Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Jcarlsoniv

Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers

A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child

A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Me

Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics

A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?

Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea and someone else

Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Might be me, unsure about this. Probably is though.
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Not me

Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Baurdar

A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Orgolove

Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.

A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 15:57 GMT
#473
On December 04 2010 00:55 Coagulation wrote:
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On December 04 2010 00:46 LSB wrote:
Coagulation, do you know who you checked?
Sorry if I missed it.



ya i know who i checked


As the results of your check are given out randomly, could they go to a mafia?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 16:21 GMT
#482
On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.

Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing
I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.


I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.


Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 16:50 GMT
#489
On December 04 2010 01:43 Barundar wrote:
I'm 100 % not the speeder. I guess my post got lost in the spam:

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On December 04 2010 00:54 Barundar wrote:
Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder


No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me.

Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear.

My best guess is the speeder refer to the busdriver role, but really not sure.


Radar guns are what cops use to detect speeders.

[image loading]
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 17:31 GMT
#492
On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?

If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 19:29 GMT
#521
Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 19:35 GMT
#525
On December 04 2010 04:33 kingjames01 wrote:
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On December 04 2010 04:29 deconduo wrote:
Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can.


So... what are your opinions and analysis? =) You can't just say that and then not deliver.

Also, you CAN vote as long as you cast the hammer. The town doesn't need to be dead-locked.


Doing a writeup now

While I can vote, the vote doesn't really count as the town would have already decided. The only time I get a CHOICE is when its deadlocked between two people.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 23:40 GMT
#626
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 03 2010 23:47 GMT
#628
Sigh

Lynch Fishball
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 04 2010 01:44 GMT
#660
*sigh*

Fishball -_-;;
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 07 2010 02:48 GMT
#853
GG guys, my scumhunting was wayyy off unfortunately. I shoulda killed aidnai instead And yes, executioner + priest in the same setup was evil -_-
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