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On December 04 2010 05:08 Coagulation wrote:
this
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
The power of love doesn't seem too sinister to me.
Anyway, let's suppose that Fishball really is a traitor who will become mafia upon lynching. How are we supposed to deal with him then? Lynch him twice? I don't see any hints about a Vigilante role. I guess we could lynch him once, and then the next day, deconduo snipes him with his Executioner ability.
At the moment, it seems that Fishball is Red or wants to get lynched. We need an alignment check on him tonight. Then tomorrow we can discuss his lynch.
So here's my new plan. Barundar, you still have a pill that will save you. Mafia only has 1 KP so you'll be safe with that pill. Overnight you check Fishball and tell us what you found. If he's Red, he'll be lynched. If he's not, then we just have to suffer through his posts.
For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic.
##Unvote Fishball
##Vote ~OpZ~
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On December 04 2010 05:19 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote:
jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch?
What does he gain when he dies? Can you quote that for me please? Sorry I'm all over the place right now. Also, just to say it upfront I won't reveal my ability regardless.
Well, what he claims is this:
On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
and this:
On December 02 2010 21:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 16:08 Barundar wrote:
what will stop jcarlsoniv from turning red when he dies? I won't. My role isn't too special. I will still be able to talk to you guys, but I will be limited in how much per cycle period.
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Okay, there is too much going on right now for Fishball to be Town.
He claimed to be Spirit and Preacher. He's holding back information that was obtained by a DT. The only reason why I'm hesitating is because Coag suggested that Fishball might turn Red. I think we can deal with that though if it happens.
If we have enough players active right now, we should lynch.
##Unvote ~OpZ~
##Vote Fishball
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This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (6)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit)
~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres
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On December 04 2010 05:39 Fishball wrote:
One thing I just noticed after reading the last page.
kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player)
The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues.
This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role.
This is the list of clues. It doesn't include any of the updated information about who has claimed. It should help in this discussion though. I think the Spirit and the Preacher are separate roles. What does your Role PM indicate?
On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote:
So we know that DrH has given us clues to every role. I'm going to continue the list that deconduo started with the latest clues:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
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I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts?
As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue.
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I'm going to update this with what we know. Let me know if I'm wrong about anything.
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) LSB?
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Barundar, Coagulation
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball?
Preacher?
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Okay, updated using LSB's info:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar?
Traffic Cop? Uses a Radar Gun.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +Someone whispered a message into someone elses ears, Lovers: ?, ? [REDACTED. And Someone hypnotized someoneHypnotist: ?] , Someone watched somebody else with a pair of binoculars., Hobo: LSBSomeone pointed a radar gun at somebodies house., Traffic Cop: BarundarSomeone shot somebody to death, but they survived and came back as an undead zombie. mafia : ?, Zombie: orgolove
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On December 04 2010 06:14 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:12 Coagulation wrote:Alright, time for some action.
On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. how the fuck are you gonna "die" AND "activate your powers" at same time. jesus christ you are doing a piss poor job of making a LICK OF SENSE this game. You suck. Think, Mad Hatter. No, I'm not a Mad Hatter.
So what you're saying is that if you die, something happens but you no longer have the ability to speak. Does it benefit the town for you to be lynched? You keep throwing out vague hints to your 'role' and then when someone claims that role, you switch. Why don't you just come out and definitively answer the question:
How does your role work? Why should we keep you alive?
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On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:16 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:Now, onto Fishball Mafia has been helping out Fishball -2 Vote Corruptions -1 Hit on Orgolove. This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me. Fishballs Role-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT. -Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch. -An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch. One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch The Hammer On December 04 2010 06:00 Fishball wrote:
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs. If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great. The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role. Final Verdict: Fishball is probably not lying about his role. Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town. What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote. As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not. And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead. 1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early. 2. Your argument buys into his guesses on blue roles. DrH's clues have notoriusly been hard to read, and are way too easy to hide behind. Fishnut has made absolutely no contribution in the thread, has been hiding information, and has overall just been dragging the town down. We can't rely on guesses against that.
Hey, hey... Fishnut isn't appropriate... If you're going to be insulting, you have to do it with style, flair, class and subtlety... 
Anyway, if you feel so strongly against Fishball, why did you remove your vote? That doesn't really make sense.
This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (6)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai
~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres
Fishball, only 2 more votes and this whole issue is settled. You're going to get lynched if you don't try harder to save yourself.
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LSB, take a position. Who do you think is Red and why?
I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players?
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If you spend a lot of time playing with Fishnuts, then I guess that's okay...
That's not my thing, but hey! Who am I to judge?
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On December 04 2010 06:58 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:29 kingjames01 wrote:
LSB, take a position. Who do you think is Red and why?
I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players?
I'm going after the Clue from DoctorH that the Hammer almost hit mafia.
On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil
On December 03 2010 03:07 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:
I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote. Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer". These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer.
The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences.
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On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch?
Actually, it's only 7.
This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (7)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai, Barundar
~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres
I think we're just waiting for someone to condemn Fishball now. If you have more things to say in his defense, you better hurry.
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On December 04 2010 07:51 Fishball wrote:Bonus note, my death doesn't exactly mean a good thing for Town. It's really a flip of a coin. You'll all see, soon enough 
What? Who's side are you on? If your death is a bad thing for the town and you are supposed to be pro-town, then tell us before you get lynched.
I don't really understand your role. =(
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On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though?
Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch.
Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!
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My computer just crashed. I think I have a virus... =(
On December 04 2010 08:47 deconduo wrote:
Sigh
Lynch Fishball
Anyway, does this mean Fishball is going to get lynched? We never found out what he knows or what the risks were of lynching him.
On December 04 2010 08:54 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch. Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die! actually i would rather let his flip tell us what the rolecheck came back as. if fishball flips mafia well it wont matter what he says if fishball flips town its a safe bet it wasnt a mafia type role if its sensitive information to town then we dont need to revealed to mafia yet. altho next time i would like to check a person and have the person who received the ROLE to tell me the role not the player name
Well, if Fishball was mafia, then yeah, whatever he says about the Role check would have been a lie. My question is then, why wouldn't he have just faked a result so that we wouldn't pressure him?
If Fishball was Town, then maybe the reason why he did reveal the Role check was that whatever was revealed would be better kept a secret. However, if that is true, then why didn't he just say so?
His behaviour this game was so strange. I'm very interested to see what role he he got.
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
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EBWODP: I forgot to fix jcarlsoniv's role based on what he said.
On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. No ability to vote.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
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Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
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On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:Just got back home now from the gym. Yay weekend! Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? What exactly do you mean by "effort"? An effort to avoid the lynch? Nope. An effort to fill in the Town with what I've got, as much as I can? Yup. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch.
Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:56 orgolove wrote:
Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_-
I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside. So I quoted your post, but I've come to a conclusion that I will just be giving the same reply as the previous two. I'll comment on this after the game ends... if you are Town. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me. Lynch him, he is Over Power Z. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. Dude, are you nuts? If I lie and survive this lynch, all I'm doing is getting a guaranteed 2nd death. If what you say is true, the most harm I have done, is wasting a lynch for Town. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On December 04 2010 08:47 deconduo wrote:
Sigh
Lynch Fishball Karma~ My ass, you bailed from the game.
Fishball, you got what you wanted and were lynched. deconduo cast the Hammer.
On December 04 2010 09:03 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, if Fishball was mafia, then yeah, whatever he says about the Role check would have been a lie. My question is then, why wouldn't he have just faked a result so that we wouldn't pressure him?
If Fishball was Town, then maybe the reason why he did reveal the Role check was that whatever was revealed would be better kept a secret. However, if that is true, then why didn't he just say so?
His behaviour this game was so strange. I'm very interested to see what role he he got.
Also, I suggested that the reason you didn't reveal the results of the DT check was that it "would be better kept a secret." You should have just said so though and we would have spent our time discussing other things.
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I just got confirmation from DoctorHelvetica that he knows about the lynch.
He says that he is on his way home and there is to be no changing votes now.
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