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On December 02 2010 12:59 LSB wrote:Firstly, Medic should protect Barundar There's two ways to approach this - Have everyone do their own thing, and piece together the information afterwards. This does work quiet well, and gets the most intel
- Have Barundar check deconduo. Or someone else we probably think is confirmed. They will be able to deduce their sanity. However, this does waste a night action. BUT if the DT does indeed die, we can get a definitive answer on deconduo. There is a few problems as ghrur pointed out. But maybe not, and Barundar posts his results on deconduo. And the other DT can check out the information he gets from deconduo
Oh yeah, what if there isn't two dts? SR's role sounded like he was one of the people with a third eye.
I think checking deconduo is a good plan. It's not a waste of a night action if we learn that we can trust our checks. My point again is that we do not have Medics. We have Pharmacists or at best Nerfed Medics. I'm not even sure how this role is supposed to work.
Actually, I think SR corresponds to this clue: "A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why."
He was a psychic so we could read people's minds.
Barundar has already hinted that he's a DT (or some sort). So, I don't think the other person in the clue is a Psychic.
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On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote:
My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear..
On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote:
I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results
the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it.
gayest shit ever.
You said earlier your role requires that you run a town circle. I don't think that it does. We just have to think up a good way to get the most use out of your role.
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Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
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On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
I was just thinking that we should have the spirit roleclaim so we could validate our DTs. =) But your plan is better because I was thinking we would use both DTs for this.
Okay! So, we could have one of our DTs check jcarlsoniv. The next day we lynch him. That will validate our DTs and we can continue from there. Even though we will lose 1 vote, we'll still have his voice AND gain the power of 2 DT's.
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On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared!
Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious?
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On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post.
When I read that clue, I actually thought the hammer was Red. After deconduo explained his ability, I think the role is really strong. Being able to end the day with your own personal lynch is probably something that DrH would deem too powerful for the mafia.
However, DrH said was that he was rooting for the mafia to win. If that is true, then why would he reveal deconduo's alignment and give us a free lynch? If deconduo was a mafia, and he knew that his clue was the only one given in Red, would he have been so willing to roleclaim?
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No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=)
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On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy.
Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =)
Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role.
You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world.
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On December 03 2010 02:40 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:23 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =) Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role. You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world. Can you direct me to the post where jcarlsoniv claimed? I only have brief moments of free time here and there.
His post is as follows:
On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
and can be found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=358&topic_id=172696
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:
I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer.
On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early.
Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote.
On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer".
These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer.
Also...
On December 03 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ok fishball is yelling at me they're "hints" not "clues"
are you happy now
Are you on irc with Fishball??? Or did he send you a PM?
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On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student 
Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning.
Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well.
There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to.
Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists.
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I used to get excited waiting for the Day/Night posts... F5ing over and over until they appeared... Then I joined Sengoku.
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I guess we also have to be careful because we lose one vote by doing this.
However, losing a vote to gain confidence in our DTs is worth the sacrifice. There are only 3 mafia and 2 DTs will go a really long way in finding them.
Now, if they would just do us the honour of revealing what they've found out, I can stop checking the thread for the night.
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Do not reveal who you checked until the person who received the notification posts the results. I'm in full support of sharing information, but I do not want the mafia to be able to manipulate the results.
Also, orgolove, we know you're a vet because you survived the night. Does being a zombie give you any extra powers? Also, why are you voting for Fishball?
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Okay, in my notes I wrote that his posting style is very strange. At first someone suggested he was trying to get lynched to get his abilities activated. I think that might have been you actually. Then jcarlsoniv claimed that role.
I suggested that he might have been forced to act the way he was due to his assigned role but he deflected that with some comments about being crazy.
There was also the incident about the vote on Fishball being nullified.
I think these statements make Fishball suspicious but not necessarily scum. We should put some pressure on him so that he is forced to explain his behaviour.
Also, I'm very interested to see what your DT check shows. At the moment, Barundar has said that he checked you, and "got a green result."
Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town?
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On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.
Okay, I think that we should push Fishball into giving us a better defense. The way that he's been dodging the minimal pressure that we've put on him is not satisfactory.
Until Coagulation's DT check is revealed, my vote is going on Fishball.
##Vote Fishball.
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On December 03 2010 17:52 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night.
Ah! So there are pills and not someone following you around trying to protect you. Yeah, I think it's worth remembering also, that the mafia targetted orgolove and left you and Coagulation alone.
So are you allowed to keep your pill then? If so, then that's one less player the pharmacists will have to keep safe tonight. We'll have to see how the day goes and what else is revealed before we make more plans but I have a few ideas.
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Fishball: I cannot understand your actions right now. You are basically holding the town hostage with information. If you allow us to lynch you without revealing what you know, Coagulation's DT check will be wasted. That's very anti-town play. If you think that revealing what you know will hurt the town, then just say so. We've spent pages speculating on you and your actions when we could be discussing other lynches.
Also, it's very interesting that both votes lost due to corruption were both on Fishball.
~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn.
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On December 04 2010 04:29 deconduo wrote:
Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can.
So... what are your opinions and analysis? =) You can't just say that and then not deliver.
Also, you CAN vote as long as you cast the hammer. The town doesn't need to be dead-locked.
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
First, my name is not based on Lebron... My name actually means King.
Next, how is it that we have 2 claims to the same role? DrH never hinted at the existence of 2 spirits. He also told us that his hints were complete and there were no lies in the Role PMs. We should try to figure out who is lying between these two. One of them must be mafia.
jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch?
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