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On December 18 2010 08:16 CubEdIn wrote:
@ meapakk: just a thought. If drh DOES turn out blue, then we can assume that what he said was true, so we shouldn't have a tracker claim and give mafia even more targets for tonight.
Sorry, I meant "If Pandain" turns out blue... bla bla.
Please, no more claiming. Mafia doesn't need any free help in this game.
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On December 18 2010 08:30 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 08:27 LunarDestiny wrote:On December 18 2010 08:21 Barundar wrote:
Is pandain the safest lynch at this point? I say yes. He did almost nothing in the game. Then a lot of people voted to lynch him. The moment I say, "If you are Kitaman's dt, please claim to me" Pandain claimed to me immediately. But he is not Kitaman's dt. So he went from lurkering, to being lynch. The moment he saw a chance to survive, he suddenly becomes active like shit. Now he is saying that a tracker/watcher contacted him. WTF. DrH was the one caught lying. Pandain has been scummy, but DrH is a sure thing.
Sorry, but unless I missed something, it's only you that can so far confirm that you have a "double" for DrH's role.
I'm not saying you're lying, but the fact that you came out with this a few hours before the night and you already got a ton of votes make me feel very suspicious. Either you're trying to protect Pandain, but make it less obvious by disagreeing with him, or you have something to gain if DrH dies tonight.
I'm sorry, but it seems too easy to say: If he's not red, then lynch me. So far we've seen two unlynchables in this game. How do we know you're not a third? If this would've happened yesterday, DrH would've been clearly the lynch for this phase of the game, but so close to night end? And a wagon of 6-7 votes looks suspicious, you must at least admit that.
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On December 18 2010 08:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 08:36 CubEdIn wrote:On December 18 2010 08:30 kitaman27 wrote:On December 18 2010 08:27 LunarDestiny wrote:On December 18 2010 08:21 Barundar wrote:
Is pandain the safest lynch at this point? I say yes. He did almost nothing in the game. Then a lot of people voted to lynch him. The moment I say, "If you are Kitaman's dt, please claim to me" Pandain claimed to me immediately. But he is not Kitaman's dt. So he went from lurkering, to being lynch. The moment he saw a chance to survive, he suddenly becomes active like shit. Now he is saying that a tracker/watcher contacted him. WTF. DrH was the one caught lying. Pandain has been scummy, but DrH is a sure thing. Sorry, but unless I missed something, it's only you that can so far confirm that you have a "double" for DrH's role. So shouldn't the "double" be lynched? DrH first and if not I'll reveal the other double. Guaranteed scum kill there. Fair enough. One problem though, we don't know who the double is, and we have no guarantee that you do, or that you'll tell us. I'm not asking you to reveal a doctor, that would be retarded, but you must see a flaw here, no?Show nested quote +I'm not saying you're lying, but the fact that you came out with this a few hours before the night and you already got a ton of votes make me feel very suspicious. Either you're trying to protect Pandain, but make it less obvious by disagreeing with him, or you have something to gain if DrH dies tonight. Yes I have something to gain if DrH dies tonight. The whole town does. He is a death eater. No, I did not come a few hours before night. I came out at noon. That is more than enough time for the town to make an educated decision and for DrH to respond to my accusation. Actually, your post came up @ 2:02 KST. That means you came out 7 hours before night time. Given the fact that we have 48 hour days, you came in when there was roughly 15% of the day remaining, and presumably, you had this information since "dawn".Show nested quote +I'm sorry, but it seems too easy to say: If he's not red, then lynch me. So far we've seen two unlynchables in this game. How do we know you're not a third? If this would've happened yesterday, DrH would've been clearly the lynch for this phase of the game, but so close to night end? And a wagon of 6-7 votes looks suspicious, you must at least admit that. Huh? Why would a mafia be unlychable? That would mean they can never die. I never said you're a mafia. I'm thinking you have an alternate win condition. There are still a few of them left, and I have no possible clue on what they could be. This is mostly unfounded, obviously, but, again, your claim is unsupported as well.
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On December 18 2010 08:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 18 2010 08:47 LunarDestiny wrote:
I change my vote.
A town confirmed dt claim to me and say that he checked Dr.H and he is mafia.
Annul also say that mafia can not buss dt check and any means.
So the dt check is 100% legit.
Dr.H is a sure lynch. He also said that if I were checked I would come back town and that is impossible that I returned a death-eater aligned result. Whoever said that is lying. The reason he said that is because you are elder.
Fair enough, then how did the DT find out he is mafia? What's the point of the elder if he turns out red in dt checks?
Your accusation is starting to look very full of holes.
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Way to excuse yourself in a very tight vote situation.
Both you are zeks are on the chopping block tomorrow, no matter what drh flips.
Also, today's chaos came up with a lot of slip-ups (mostly caused by "mistakes"). I lost trust in a lot of people I was almost sure of were town.
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(was referring to ilovejonn)
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On December 18 2010 09:09 ilovejonn wrote:
That is a pretty ridiculous claim, if Dr.H flips green there are clear signs of liars, and yet you want to waste a lynch on me?
Look, I am not a lie detector okay? I need time to process my thoughts, I haven't even ate yet since I woke up to read through the pages. If I vote for someone I need to at least give a reason and not just bandwagon.
I'm not saying you should be lynched.
I'm saying you've been acting suspicious since day 1.
I'm saying that when you're online and there is a very tight vote situation like this, you should state your opinion. You know, stick out your neck.
It's easy to be red, and only vote if your ally CAN be saved. And if not, just say "oh i has no opinionzz lolol". It's a mafia game. Voting is obligatory for a damn good reason. Everyone there is putting their necks on the line. If DrH flips red, people who voted for Pandain will most likely come under scrutiny. If he flips blue, everyone who voted for DrH will be in the spotlight.
Trying to fly under the radar and not take any chances of being spotted is scummy as hell.
So yeah.
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On December 18 2010 09:16 CubEdIn wrote:
##Vote ilovejonn
Here, I can have a placeholder as well.
And I'll just post things like:
"Oh, I'm so undecided"
"Oh, I sure hope you guys are right"
"The horror, I need to type a post and stuff"
And hope neither town or mafia sets sights on me, see how the game ends.
PERFECT PLAY IMO.
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On December 18 2010 09:19 ilovejonn wrote:
Holy crap, I didn't even see the voting thread. I'm voting Pandain based on his wishywashy voting.
Seriously? 20 minutes after voting ends?
God dude. You're not making it easy on me to believe you mean well.
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I know, I'm sorry I overreacted, it's just that I had to make a tough decision whether to vote for pandain because of his "failed" night 2 check or for drh based solely on kita's analysis.
It was a rather tough call, especially since votes were somewhat tied, but I made my decision. It bugs me when I see people going "oh well, guess i'll skip this one, it's on you guys!".
But fair enough, we'll see who was right and decide where to go from there.
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Ok What the fuck?
First of all, why did ilovejonn die?
Is it because he had a placeholder role when voting ended?
So that means that his vote on Pandain didn't count?
Second of all, shouldn't DrH have won the vote tally?
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Wait I'm confused. Why was amber "saved" on night 1? As far as I know, he said that he lost one life.
On December 14 2010 10:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i took a hit last night. (1 of 2 lives)
If a medic protected someone else it would be a very good idea for them to contact that person to start a mini-circle.
There we go.
So why is the arguing about who protected him, when he CLEARLY took a hit?
Also, shouldn't the night post be coming in any minute now? I want to reveal a short series of PMs if I'm still alive.
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Well since there's no night post coming in, i'll refrain 'till morning.
If I do die during the night, know that it's just about the PMs I had with Pandain, so if I die as well it won't matter much to the town.
Nitey-nite.
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On December 19 2010 09:23 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2010 09:15 CubEdIn wrote:Wait I'm confused. Why was amber "saved" on night 1? As far as I know, he said that he lost one life. On December 14 2010 10:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i took a hit last night. (1 of 2 lives)
If a medic protected someone else it would be a very good idea for them to contact that person to start a mini-circle. There we go. So why is the arguing about who protected him, when he CLEARLY took a hit? Also, shouldn't the night post be coming in any minute now? I want to reveal a short series of PMs if I'm still alive. He couldn't have had two lives: he's a green.
Well then it means that he wasn't hit anyway. And that he lied.
I don't really like this game much. It's like house. Everyone lies.
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I'm not brushing away anything, I just don't fking get it.
So far, 80% of what was important in this game seems to have gone through PMs.
I, unfortunately, am not part of any town circles, and the people I did speak to turned up dead. The ones that are not dead, said they don't trust me, so then what's the point of PMs.
I tried to take everything, including my thoughts on the issue in the thread, but people like YOU judge based on what you know from PMs AND the thread. I don't have that luxury.
And I would probably just shut up and oblige, but from what I see so far, the PM circles blow. We lost a ton of blues, a ton of DTs, and we got one mafia who may or may not have turned town.
Now, even if town gets successful lynches every night, it's still very much in trouble. So no, I won't take people who lie lightly. It's the ONLY thing I have to go on. Unfortunately, the Amber thing is irrelevant to me now, because, even though he lied, he is dead. So I shall focus on the other guys who I've seen lying. Just wait for the night post.
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On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Yet you give DrH a free pass?
Ummm, no?
If by "a free pass" you mean "did not vote for him", I made my reasons pretty clear in the thread. I basically had a choice of trusting you, or going after Pandain. I chose the latter, and as soon as daytime comes, I will show you why.
On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
But the point is that Amber not dieing on night one validates the real medic and discredits the fake one.
So you're saying that there's only one medic left in the whole game? And it can't be DrH because he said that he did not protect Amber? Fair enough, but how do we know there's just one more medic left? There have been 3DTs so far, we could easily have more medics, no?
If there's a reason why we think it's just one medic left, then I missed it, and if it's irrefutable, then that's the best proof against DrH that I've seen so far.
On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Agreed. DrH has not been protected by the real medic and he stated earlier in a pm that he cannot protect himself so if he survives the night hits then its pretty clear he is guilty. He will probably say the mafia let him live to create suspicion, but they really let him live because he is their leader.
I will make a comment about this as soon as daytime comes. Let's just see.
On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyone find it weird that he is not desperate to find out the identity of the real medic? If there is a double name claim and he is really pomfrey than the other medic is 100% guilty. Instead he portrays me as a "misguided" town and spends his time defending himself.
What really? You would want him to try and "out" the other person? That would be incredibly anti-town.
Seriously, if you're wrong about him, when DrH dies, you will have to produce the other person or else it's your head that will roll 100%. Why would he try and give the mafia a free hit? (assuming you are correct, and that other medic is the real one).
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On December 20 2010 01:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 00:24 CubEdIn wrote:On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
But the point is that Amber not dieing on night one validates the real medic and discredits the fake one.
So you're saying that there's only one medic left in the whole game? And it can't be DrH because he said that he did not protect Amber? Fair enough, but how do we know there's just one more medic left? There have been 3DTs so far, we could easily have more medics, no? If there's a reason why we think it's just one medic left, then I missed it, and if it's irrefutable, then that's the best proof against DrH that I've seen so far. You must have missed this, or chose to ignore it, but Meapak claimed a type of medic too. DrH stated that Meapak protected Amber night one and Meapak responded that this was a lie. The real pomfrey told me that they protected Amber night one. That means the other pomfrey is a fraud. Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 00:24 CubEdIn wrote:On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyone find it weird that he is not desperate to find out the identity of the real medic? If there is a double name claim and he is really pomfrey than the other medic is 100% guilty. Instead he portrays me as a "misguided" town and spends his time defending himself. What really? You would want him to try and "out" the other person? That would be incredibly anti-town. Seriously, if you're wrong about him, when DrH dies, you will have to produce the other person or else it's your head that will roll 100%. Why would he try and give the mafia a free hit? (assuming you are correct, and that other medic is the real one). You are either confused or defending your scumbuddy to the death. That makes no sense at all. They both claimed the same name. One of them is scum, the other is not. If DrH is pomfrey then he knows 100% that the other medic is scum. This would NOT be giving the mafia a free hit. Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 00:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyone find it weird that he is not desperate to find out the identity of the real medic? If there is a double name claim and he is really pomfrey than the other medic is 100% guilty. Instead he portrays me as a "misguided" town and spends his time defending himself. Just gonna correct this, but he has asked you numerous times to produce both the medic, and dt that called him out. So this is incorrect to say. I will not say that it makes him any less scummy tho, but I can understand why you'd want someone calling you red to come out. He's arguing with you, and you're nothing more than a proxy. I just read through all his posts and couldn't find a reference to where he asked me to produce the other medic and the dt that checked the real medic. Though he has suggested numerous times that he is ok with a 1:1 trade, but then follows that up by saying I'm scum so I won't reveal the other medic. Lets follow his wishes and lynch him tonight, and we can lynch the other medic the next day. Show nested quote +On December 20 2010 00:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:On December 20 2010 00:24 CubEdIn wrote:On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote:
But the point is that Amber not dieing on night one validates the real medic and discredits the fake one.
So you're saying that there's only one medic left in the whole game? And it can't be DrH because he said that he did not protect Amber? Fair enough, but how do we know there's just one more medic left? There have been 3DTs so far, we could easily have more medics, no? If there's a reason why we think it's just one medic left, then I missed it, and if it's irrefutable, then that's the best proof against DrH that I've seen so far. No Cubedin, DrH has claimed Pomfrey. Another person, I believe, the story is has gotten name checked as Pomfrey by Kenpachi? Yes DrH has claimed Pomfrey. Another person has been checked as Pomfrey, but that person was not kenpachi.
Well you're right. I'm confused as hell.
I understood that there are two Pomfreys.
I understood that someone protected Amber, but that someone was not DrH (or Meapakk). However, I don't see why this constitutes a case against DrH, that's all. Just try to EXPLAIN other than incriminate me.
DrH claimed medic, correct? Then how would he know what Meapakk did? And why would he say that meapakk defended Amber if he didn't know that for sure. These are things that I just don't understand.
You are either confused or defending your scumbuddy to the death. That makes no sense at all. They both claimed the same name. One of them is scum, the other is not. If DrH is pomfrey then he knows 100% that the other medic is scum. This would NOT be giving the mafia a free hit.
Again, you're looking at this from your perspective alone. I do not know that there are two people who claimed Pomfrey. Only YOU know that, we just have to believe you.
So from my point of view, I know that DrH said he's Pomfrey and that you said that's a lie. Even if DrH IS pomfrey, then he has YOU, who KNOWS who that other guy is, and when he flips green you will HAVE to give us his identity.
Explain to me how my logic doesn't work? Why would anyone reveal the identity of BOTH people who claimed Pomfrey in the thread?
Really, just try to slowly explain it to me as if I was a retard.
Scenario 1 -> DrH is blue.
=> The other Pomfrey is a red. They would not kill DrH because then you would out the red. Unless they could kill all the people who know the red's identity, they would have to let DrH live. It would be in Mafia's interest that the town doesn't know the red's identity, correct?
Scenario 2 -> DrH is red.
=> The other Pomfrey is blue. Mafia would like to know his name because he's a medic. It would be in Mafia's interest that the medic is revealed to the town (and to them, obviously). -> this would be giving mafia a free hit, it's what I was referring to. Claiming in public = free information for Mafia.
That's how I see it. Please explain where I am wrong, because I feel pretty retarded right now.
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Ok fair enough.
The Amber thing is still not 100% clear, since it's a lot of WIFOM for me, but Iget the main adia.
And about the two Pomfrey claims, it's clear that it's either one of the two scenarios:
1. You are telling the truth, and one of them is red, bla bla.
2. You are just making stuff up, which is far fetched (since you'd have a lot of explaining to do if DrH flips blue), but still feasible, due to the fact that, bottom line is that you're the only one who's sticking out his neck for this. So, if DrH DOES flip blue, we will only have you to kill. Nobody else's neck is on the line.
(And again, I'm not saying you are red, you could want DrH dead due to alternative win conditions, I've had a lot of theories like this since day one, and some of them turned out true. Deconduo can confirm that).
But I do agree (and never claimed otherwise, after Pandain flipped blue) that DrH is probably the best target now. And as I said, I'll explain why I voted for Pandain and not trusted you, as soon as I see the day post.
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Ok, daytime.
Here is why I voted for Pandain.
These are the only PMs that I've had with him the whole game:
then i was redirected -.-
*sigh
u mind if i say this in thread? Not you who said, but in general?
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Original Message From CubEdIn:
Wow, you just gone screwed up.
I'm only gonna tell you this, and not out it on the thread because I don't want to role-claim.
You did not check Airball on night 2, because I was spying on him that night. He was not visited by anyone.
So, sorry, but my vote stays that way. Unless Annul lied to me.
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Original Message From Pandain:
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its how i play kingmaker
its also how i play when i can only be on for 1 hour a day according to my parents -.-
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Original Message From CubEdIn:
Well I'm sorry but you're being awfully quiet.
And you must admit it's exactly how you played kingmaker.
If you weren't such a lurker in this game i would've never set my sights on you.
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Original Message From Pandain:
why are you lynching me
you scum you
And since I'm out there now:
Someone visited Airbag/DrH tonight. And since he's still alive, I'm gonna guess it was a DT, or a medic. I'm not asking you guys to claim, but if you're in a town circle, it should at least prove that I'm not making up my role.
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So I like, claimed my power and stuff.
Pretend like you noticed.
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