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kitaman27
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On December 17 2010 05:51 deconduo wrote: I'd recommend ghote to be investigated or lynched. He has one post in the thread and he voted for LSB as MoM. He has 3 hours to make a post or he is dead anyways. We still have 27 hours to vote, correct? | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 04 2010 02:33 Radfield wrote: Events in my life are conspiring to keep me from playing mafia. Dr H, lynch me if you must, I don't deny my play has been poor. Sorry team  Sounds familiar | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 17 2010 09:17 tube wrote: actually i just haven't posted because today is my birthday and i've been hanging with friends/ doing college apps yeah Happy Birthday! So how come you haven't posted the previous 3 days? Its real tough to pick out the scum, when we have 1-2 posts to go by  | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 17 2010 10:57 LunarDestiny wrote: Pandain does look suspicious, but he is posting even less in pokemafia. Well I would hope so, he is dead. Even before he died, he was a replacement for only like half a day, so that would probably explain why he didn't post much there. | ||
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kitaman27
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Airbag first popped onto my radar when I saw the following post by jcarl: On December 16 2010 14:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hey Airbag, what ever happened to this? I imagine he'll be valuable tomorrow or day 4. Based on his sign-up date and quality of posting it was relatively clear that Airbag was a scum rather than a noob. Which made be question why on earth would the medic claim so early in the game. DrH himself made fun of coag for doing the same thing in the previous game. So I started pming him and here is where it lead: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Airbag: That's a fair point. One reason I'm worried about name claiming is the threat of modkill from annul. Yes I'm a smurf. I was poking around as a noob to see if anybody would try to manipulate me via PM. LSB did and guess what he turned out to be? Jcarl claimed his role pretty quickly afterward so I'm pretty inclined to trust him. Yes I'm Pomfrey. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From kitaman27: Well here is my thought process. You are either a newbie or a smurf. I'm guessing the latter based upon your posts. From what it sounds like, you claimed medic to jcarl. I'm wondering why someone like yourself would be willing to medic claim. Either jcarl is a confirmed townie or you claimed medic as a way to gain his trust. Based on your response that you switched off Amber to Kenpachi, you seem to be sticking with your medic story. So you trust me enough to confirm your role, but not enough to state your name? The only reason I can think that you would be willing to give up one, but not the other is the case that you are worried about a duplicate name claim. Thoughts? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: I'm not name claiming yet. The circles have been leaky and I'm not completely confident that you're town. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From kitaman27: Ya I found it weird he would call you out like that rather than solve it in a pm. So you are Pomfrey? Airbag goes from not completely trusting me as town, to role claiming in a matter of minutes. What's even more odd? I had already recieved a pm that a dt type role had already located a Pomfrey. I pm'd annul to confirm that there were not duplicate role claims and he said that I was correct. That leads us to the fact that one of the two sources is lying. What do we do with liars? We lynch them. To further my case, here are some relevant posts: After a bunch of seemingly pro-town posts, here is the first one that pops out: On December 11 2010 13:54 Airbag wrote: hm thats a good point about LSB I'm not comfortable having him lynched since he is experienced but maybe he's good for a night 1 dt check? if we have a normal dt that is ToT The perfect situation for mafia. LSB is allowed to live, but a dt is used to help figure out what type of catch the Snape role is. On December 12 2010 11:47 Airbag wrote: I really feel now that if the mayor is elected honestly he should lynch LSB im thinking about what his goal and intention is: 1. to control/direct town the way HE wants it 2. to make a private vote (if he is mafia easily he can pretend they voted differently than they did) 3. fished on me to see if I might be blue 4. more interested in defending himself and making HIMSELF look good and pro-town than he is to actually find and kill mafia/contribute something useful that sort of arrogant attitude sounds like a mafia trying to force our trust and make us follow him who is better to lynch at this point? The Death Eaters aren't stupid. They know Snape is a good guy in the books. As a result, its extremely likely they take care of him early on due to traitor suspicions. Even more beneficial, they appear "pro-town" for taking out one of their own. Ask yourself this, if you were a death eater, would you want Snape around on your team? On December 16 2010 11:15 Airbag wrote: Dumbledore is dead? This is bad. The death eaters have been too good at blue sniping in this game. Is this all damage done by LSB or are there leaky circles? For now I'm not feeling good about Kenpachi but we should give him the benefit of the doubt. You're not feeling good about Kenpachi, yet you decided to move your protect off Amber to protect him? Hmm thats strange. On December 15 2010 08:40 Airbag wrote: It's really not gonna look good for you if he turns out to be a death eater. Easy for you to say, when you already know he is going to pop up scum. On December 16 2010 13:08 Airbag wrote: It seems pretty clear there was some sort of leak in a circle. So far I know there is a circle with: oddo123 deconduo jcarlsoniv Role fishing? As jcarl revealed later, deconduo is not part of the confirmed town group. On December 17 2010 08:33 Airbag wrote: With permission from annul granted in this thread, I'll be switching to my real account. Anyone find it a bit odd that he would even do this? The only motivation I can see is that he wanted to use his influence as a mafia veteran to steer the town one way or another. I pm'd zek questioning why he would vote for kenpachi. His response: On December 17 2010 11:38 zeks wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Why Sorry for the quick switch - but realized Airbag had switched too I've decided to put my trust in him for now after picking off LSB In summary, DrH claimed medic to individuals in order to gain their trust He makes a duplicate name claim, showing that he is lyingI It is true that he helped lynch LSB, but so did nearly everyone. It was almost unanimous afterall. In addition, lynching Snape can be beneficial to the mafia by eliminating a traitor and gaining town trust. In response, it is likely that DrH will paint me as scum that is trying to take out the town medic. Please ask yourself, why would I be willing to make a 1:1 mafia for town exchange. If after the lynch, he pops Pomfrey, then by all means, take me out next. Either way, we get a death eater. Lynch DrH | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 02:16 Barundar wrote: Kitaman I feel like I'm missing something here. You say another one claimed Poppy, and that we should lynch both. I agree. So who is this other Poppy, in case you are lying to us about DrH? Are you asking me to publicly reveal Poppy's identity? That leads the mafia right to her. In the case that DrH does not come up scum (which won't happen) I will reveal the other Poppy. You may lynch me if I don't. At this time, however, DrH has been far more sneaky of the two. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 02:20 CubEdIn wrote: I think he's saying that HE is Pomfrey, no? I say we ask annul to modkill both for role-claiming. Then we can have our lynch + a sure mafia. GG NP! 1) lol if I'm Pomfrey then I obviously wouldn't call out him myself. I would ask a pro-town person like jcarl to write up an accusation in my place. Interesting that we got two role fishes as the first two responses, however. 2) You want me to be modkilled? Don't recall ever claiming :p | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 02:28 Barundar wrote: I was refering to this sentence by Kitaman. He states we lynch them, but he only mentions one. We can only lynch one at a time. DrH makes an uncharacteristic role claim, while the other gets checked by a dt. DrH obviously seems more suspicious. Why reveal both names? | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 02:35 deconduo wrote: 99% sure Doc H isn't mafia. If you read one of my previous posts, LSB gave me PMs with the 2 of them talking. There was absolutely no reason for LSB to fake PMs from another mafia member at that point in the game. Here they are again: + Show Spoiler + I'd rather not draw that much attention to myself... ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: If you want, you can be the auditor. The thing is, since I'm doing it, the mafia won't be able to slip in and and manipulate the vote. Changing the voting record is also a problem with normal voting. All the mafia has to do is decide slightly earlier. If you really don't like the private vote idea. (I take it the general sentiment is that they don't want it) We can do reasoned voting, or runoff voting ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: but if you are mafia it increases the ways in which you can manipulate the vote and it gives the mafia a long time to discuss how they'd like their voting record to look without ever having to appear wishy washy for changing it ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: The issue is that people like to go with the bandwagon. It seems safer, and there is a false sense of security in voting with the majority. Private votes allow each person to make their decision independently. It cuts off ways for the mafia to influence people. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Airbag: I understand wanting to vote for a player with experience but you can just manipulate the votes if ur mafia Why not just have people post their votes publicly, then it's completely impossible for you to lie about it. Didn't the whole LBS situation seem a little fishy to you though? He practically role claimed scum for some weird 1:1 trade with oroglove. PM's can be fabricated. In the previous game, there was a decent amount of discussion on mafia and fake pms. Why fake role claim if you are clean? | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 02:55 Barundar wrote: Sorry but I can't help but notice this comes up after there is pressure on why and pandain, and the moment I question the reasoning I get yelled at for fishing + I get PM's asking to my thoughts out of nowhere. From Pandain. Coordinated attack? Do you still disagree that the second medic should remain hidden until DrH's alignment has been revealed? I'm still not sure why the real medic should claim publicly. You think I'm working with pandain? I had my vote on pandain before this. When DrH flips red, I would suggest he is looked into as well based on how much he is soft defending him. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 02:49 deconduo wrote: ##Vote Kitaman | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 04:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No we should lynch Pandain. If pandain flips red then we'll lynch drh, if pandain is green then drh is somewhat cleared. I'd rather not lynch drh on the ouside chance he is a medic. But look at pandain, if drh is mafia than it would appear as though he switched identities in order to better defend pandain. Now (again speculating that drh is mafia) pandain must have a pretty valuable role for drh to have come out of hiding specifcally to defend him. Therefore if both drh and pandain are mafia than it makes more sense to lynch pandain first. If Pandain pops up green then we have nothing on DrH. Mafia defend townies all the time. It was DrH that was caught lying, not Pandain. We should lynch DrH first and analyze from there. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 06:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A DT can check me and confirm I am indeed Poppy Pomfrey. Someone already lied to Meapak and said they alignment checked me and found out I was red which annul confirmed could not happen. Kitaman won't tell who counter claimed but good job telling the mafia that I'm the healer. Hopefully the Bus Driver won't be stupid today and he'll switch me with somebody else so I don't die tonight. Elder. Cough Cough. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 06:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can't say anything to that except "No, I am Poppy Pomfrey and not the elder" so this doesn't really take the discussion anywhere. "found out I was red which annul confirmed could not happen." Wait a minute, are you saying annul confirmed you are not red? PM please? | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: annul specifically told me I could not quote it since you can not use direct mod quotes to confirm your alignment. I knew there were no insane roles because I read that in the OP. I asked annul why I would be alignment checked as red and he said that is impossible. I figured "hey maybe a bus driver switched me with a death eater so he got a bogus result" and he confirmed that is impossible as well. So the only explanation is that person lied to make me look red. I'd like to know who it was. I'm not going to allow you to change the subject anyways. I have called for your lynch because your double pommy claim contradiction and your scummy play, not because of some alignment check. If you are indeed medic, why role claim day one. Certainly that isn't something you approve of is it? | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 07:19 Coagulation wrote: its clearly based on pandains 1 post every 3 days being 3 minutes after lunardestiny post's that someone just roleclaimed DT Plus we all know how pandain loves to fake roleclaims (Even fakes roleclaims when hes town WTF?) Lets not let DrH spam the thread. I offer myself, the dt, and the medic he checked for lynch if we are wrong. Lynch DrH | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No matter what Pandain pops you should die because your posts = scum. It's that simple. I'm not basing everything on who is maybe defending someone else because that's a bullshit scumhunting tactic that rarely works. Scum fake disagreements, they attack eachother, they defend townies, this happens all the time. I would like to remind the town that DrH has been dodging my question and trying to move suspicion to one of his attackers. DrH why would you claim medic? That is something you clearly opposed in Salem. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 07:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If mafia take the bait and try to railroad me like LSB did then I'm perfectly fine going 1:1. I trusted jcarls because he claimed his mason circle to me very early, something scum would never do. You're prefectly fine going 1:1? Fine. You and me are clearly not aligned. Since I was the one that caught you lying, we lynch you first. If you pop town, then we lynch me. 1:1 trade. Everyone happy? | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You've already been lynched. If I'm correct voting ended 10 minutes ago. We'll see what happens. No, voting ends at 7pm est as Annul stated. It is currently 6:14pm est. Please don't mislead the town into thinking its too late. | ||
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kitaman27
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On December 18 2010 07:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If mafia take the bait and try to railroad me like LSB did then I'm perfectly fine going 1:1. I trusted jcarls because he claimed his mason circle to me very early, something scum would never do. Is the rest of the town seriously ok with this response? He is saying he is baiting a mafia by claiming medic. Yet he is also saying he claimed to jcarl because he trusts him. What stops the mafia from just killing you after you claim medic. You're not making sense. Everyone be careful of a last minute mafia ninja towards Why. | ||
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