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KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 02:29 GMT
#639
On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?

if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.

therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.

LOGIC SIR, LOGIC


And how was I converted?
Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known.
That's the only way that could happen.

Another slip, my friend.


if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT?

Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.

Point taken.
However, then obviously no one was converted.
So you're still lying, eh?
Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about.


Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 02:41 GMT
#645
On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?

if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.

therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.

LOGIC SIR, LOGIC


And how was I converted?
Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known.
That's the only way that could happen.

Another slip, my friend.


if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT?

Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.

Point taken.
However, then obviously no one was converted.
So you're still lying, eh?
Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about.


Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia.


Man frickin use your mind.
No one was converted because glasse is mafia.

Let me lay this out for you.

Night two:Glasse mc's coag
coag protects glasse
Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies.

Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched.
Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia.

omfg


That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed?

Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you.

Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 02:47 GMT
#652
On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:
On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:
On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote:
wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense?

if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion.

therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game.

LOGIC SIR, LOGIC


And how was I converted?
Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known.
That's the only way that could happen.

Another slip, my friend.


if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT?

Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die.

Point taken.
However, then obviously no one was converted.
So you're still lying, eh?
Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about.


Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia.


Man frickin use your mind.
No one was converted because glasse is mafia.

Let me lay this out for you.

Night two:Glasse mc's coag
coag protects glasse
Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies.

Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched.
Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia.

omfg


That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed?

Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you.

Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day


Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person)
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 02:53 GMT
#664
Because kenpachi visited you when he committed suicide. Simple as that.
Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town?
In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective?
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 02:54 GMT
#665
EBWODP: by yourself i mean shrink
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 02:56 GMT
#668
On November 19 2010 11:55 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 11:53 KtheZ wrote:
Because kenpachi visited you when he committed suicide. Simple as that.
Plus, if you really were yourself, why would you conveniently decide to protect yourself when it was vital that LSB remain town?
In fact, didnt you read my posts in the beginning that it probably is better for shrink to get MCed rather than doctor or detective?


I've already explained this.

I was pretty likely to be MCED(had caught kenpachi, most likely they wouldn't LSB because they would figure he would be protected like the first night)

in addition, it isn't good for shrink to be mced.



it's better than tracker or doctor.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 03:25 GMT
#688
You are confirmed mafia because kenpachi visited you, and its pretty obvious you're bullshitting about how you're the shrink.
Also, you're spamming like INSANE, like how you did in INSANE mafia. Either you're greedily trying to increase your post count or you are just trying to clutter up the already long message board, noticing that I (and other people) sometimes neglect to read long ass walls of text.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 03:33 GMT
#696
On November 19 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:
I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die.
And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help.

so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying.



How the hell has the first sentence been proven irrelevant? The fact that kenpachi visited you when you died is the greatest piece of evidence of all. It outweighs all other pieces of evidence and puts a absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS on you. An absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS.

And you're trying to explain how we are left with 1 mafia left, who is glasse, and explaining this through an intricate explanation of how coag protect glasse (for no reason at all), and then glasse converts coag, and kenpachi fails in conversion, and then we are left with 2 mafia again?
I find the probability of this extremely low. What I find to be more probably is you lying.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 03:42 GMT
#706
On November 19 2010 12:35 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 12:33 KtheZ wrote:
On November 19 2010 12:26 Pandain wrote:
I'm fuckin spamming because I'm about to die.
And I always spam anyways, ask anyone. It's something I'm working on, but me about to die certainly doesn't help.

so is that your argument? The first sentence has been proven irrelevant, as that assumes I am lying. so circular reasoning, I'm lying because I'm lying.



How the hell has the first sentence been proven irrelevant? The fact that kenpachi visited you when you died is the greatest piece of evidence of all. It outweighs all other pieces of evidence and puts a absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS on you. An absofuckinglutely HUGE FoS.

And you're trying to explain how we are left with 1 mafia left, who is glasse, and explaining this through an intricate explanation of how coag protect glasse (for no reason at all), and then glasse converts coag, and kenpachi fails in conversion, and then we are left with 2 mafia again?
I find the probability of this extremely low. What I find to be more probably is you lying.


You assume that proves I'm mafia because I'm not shrink. But if I'm not shrink, I'm mafia. So your using circular reasoning to prove that. again, I protected myself.

Seriously KtheZ...


I assume you are mafia because kenpachi visited you. I believe much more that you WERE converted rather than believe the whole chain of events that you say led up to the situation now.

Nothing you say is verifiable, but looking at the only solid piece of evidence we have, that kenpachi DID visit you when he committed suicide, puts the FoS on you.

I don't need your condescending remarks to tell me who to vote for.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 03:56 GMT
#722
Since theres only 3 of us left, I wont bother posting my analysis of you, since Glasse has voted you already. However, looking through the huge amount of posts you have had in this topic, I noticed that you not only showed extreme ignorance (like saying coag was medic, with extremely flawed reasoning) and dropped hundreds of your arguments only to nitpick at several key points made and focus on those, but you also just said in the post above that glasse tried to convert you, which is obviously untrue since he is still alive.
Your hundreds of dropped arguments, as well as you unrelentless and hypocritical hounding of Glasse to prove himself when you silently drop many arguments made against you, make me think you are mafia.
Glasse voted for mafia both times. Would a mafia really bus his allies TWICE?
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 04:17 GMT
#731
Fine I concede that point, my mistake. You are not a "confirmed" mafia. However, you are the PRIME suspect for being one.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 04:25 GMT
#734
Sorry, I will not be open. I actually do not have an open mind, and do not wish to pretend I do have one. (haha)

I will not unvote you now. Day doesnt even end till you vote, so you have plenty of time to explain yourself, but take this word of warning:
My mafia senses are tingling!
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 19 2010 05:11 GMT
#737
good night to you sir.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 01:47 GMT
#767
Holy shit, this is like reading debate evidence when people are spreading :/
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 02:14 GMT
#773
##unvote

I'll take the next 25 mins to read through the posting and tell myself which one of you are mafia.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 02:30 GMT
#775
Okay I'm re-voting pandain again. After reading glasse's posts from page 1-20, I can conclude that he is most likely pro town. Since pandain's arguement is based on the assumption that Glasse is one of the alpha yakuzas, and also noting the change in his posting behavior after kenpachi committed seppuku.

instead of posting nice, long analysis and having insightful posts (which he did before kenpachi), pandain instead turn to tons UPON TONS OF POSTS that flooded pages and were designed only to assault glasse.

Plus, I noticed something. Coag first voted for pandain, but unvoted and changed instead to Glasse on page 26.

Yup, I'm convinced its pandain. really sorry man, if i'm wrong.

Lets stop debating and see the results.
Glasse, lets do this.
##Vote pandain
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 03:29 GMT
#781
Rather than relying on your epic debate skills, I instead decided to search the topic and look around at your behaviors.
I don't trust your debate too much, although I do put it into consideration.
The reason I don't really enjoy the debate you guys had is that it was far, FAR too hard to follow. As much as I enjoy reading these forums, reading your debate and then having to search for a huge amount of posts really takes away from the analysis that I can produce.

These are several pro town posts glasse has had that you ignored.

shouldnt the town also have a copy then?

it would help a lot with this clam thing

In this quote, he is asking for deconduo for the town to have the role pm list also, instead of just mafia. This is a pro-town action.

can you really vote for no one?
also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote

Warns town against no-lynch daytimes, in concurrence with Dr.H (who was town) and other people. Seems pro-town, but mafia also advocated this, so this i'll call neutral.

Another thing I have to note:
Votes:

No Lynch (3)

KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi

Dr. H (2)

youngminii
Coagulation

Pandain (1)

Dr. H

Kenpachi (1)

Glasse

Coagulation (1)

Artanis

Yet to vote: Pandain

Voting ends in just under 8 hours.

To clarify some more voting rules:
-The person with the most votes will get lynched (not the majority, sorry). This includes 'No One'
-If there is a tie, then no one will be lynched.

Glasse voted kenpachi when there were 3 people voting No-vote, ans 0 votes weres on youngminii.
However, youngminii actually was lynched.
Glasse voted for kenpachi when there was no definitive evidence pointing at anyone, but then a bandwagon formed out of nowhere and hit youngminii. Glasse's vote DID matter, in fact. Him voting a mafia that early was a pro-town indication, since no mafia would vote for themselves when NOBODY HAD VOTED FOR ANYONE ELSE YET. I dont understand how you can call his vote irrelevant, when it could have made a HUGE difference, because he was right.
In fact, this then happened
Votes:

No Lynch (3)

KtheZ
LSB
kenpachi

Dr. H (2)

youngminii
Coagulation

Kenpachi (2)

Pandain
Glasse

Coagulation (1)

Artanis

Youngminii (1)

Dr. H

And kenpachi was one of the leading figures for lynch, yet once again somehow youngminii was lynched with 1 vote. What I'm trying to say is that Glasse voting for kenpachi actually IS indicative of his pro-town status, and it actually DID matter in the lynch process. Had glasse voted kenpachi at the last second, then I would have considered it a bus, but since he voted him in the very beginning, it is not.

End result:
youngminii (4) <----- SOMEHOW GAINED 3 VOTES
Coagulation
Dr. H
kenpachi
LSB

kenpachi (2)
Pandain
Glasse

Coagulation (1)
Artanis

Dr. H (1)
youngminii

No Lynch (1)
kthez



And this is what bugs me the most. You said that from this

i just dont have anything important to say :3

SORRY!


He was obviously pro-mafia, but if you would read maybe 1 or 2 posts after:
i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something.

He DID contribute.

This MAY be continued.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 04:37 GMT
#802
On November 20 2010 13:23 Pandain wrote:
If KtheZ realizes your mafia, then even if he unvotes it'll be 1v1.
Dude, its not about winning or losing the game. It's about setting yourself in the future. It's called busing, it happens all the time.
you denying that just makes it all the more obvious.

KtheZ, I have one request of you. For now, unvote me, so I can vote glasse safely. Than I plead you, I beg of you, to actually read everything,and I know, I know somehow deep in my heart that you'll see my side. I don't care if it seems hopeless, I have faith, because I know I'm right. But right now, even if you do see, then you can't change the outcome. That's why I want you to unvote me, and finally, after thinking it through well, vote. But now it seems it'll just be impossible, so that's why I'm pleading you.


You do realize that is kind of play puts extreme pressure on me right? Let's just end this game and see if you really are mafia.
I'm not buying it, and I do not wish to change the decision that I have made for myself.

Seriously man, pleading is unreasonable at this point in the game. There is no reason for me to unvote if i'm just going to vote for you again. (Which i just did)

I did read the debate, but I still feel that the mafia is you.

I have thought it through well, and I feel that trying to make me feel emotional about my actions will not change my mind.
This may be sort of a dickmove, but with all seriousness, asking me to be empathetic in this topic is kind of useless, since seriously, it could all be a mafia ploy for all I know.

I am not being stubborn. I have read through all the posts and I have chosen you. Simply saying that since I did not change my vote, I am stubborn, is wrong.

Look, I'm really sorry if you're town, and I AM a simple noob who is playing his second game, but right now I feel that it is you, and I have heeded your words and read through what you have asked me to. I still think its you. Even with this emotional outburst trying to make me feel bad, I still think its you.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 04:55 GMT
#807
If it turns out to be you glasse, WP, WP

Votes locked means we cant change it right?
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 20 2010 05:07 GMT
#814
So WHO THE HELL WAS MAFIA?

Mindfucked right now.
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