On November 15 2010 23:48 youngminii wrote:On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread.
If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion.
The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure.
This is a wishy washy post. Instead of saying "Shrink/Doctor should not do this" he says "I really don't like the idea of..." He comes off as passive, doesn't push his opinion aggressively so that he doesn't put too much spotlight on himself. He gives 'advice' - "Don't be scared to pressure" which is obvious and makes him look pro-town. It also sets himself up to start pressuring people, which will ultimately lead to people getting lynched and allowing him to paint other people in a bad light.
As scum, of course he doesn't mind a mass roleclaim. Mass roleclaiming this early will only help scum, and instead of saying "Don't roleclaim" like a townie would, he says IF you roleclaim blah blah blah. Hell, even the core of his post is scummy, of course he doesn't want Shrinks and Doctors to have their actions coordinated by town, it'll only help scum so he tries to put down the idea as under the radar as possible.
On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie)
wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't.
Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum.
On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects.
We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless.
Possible link here between DrH and Coag. If DrH flips red, I'd keep an eye on Coag. Maybe DrH is defending Coag because he thinks Coag will probably end up hurting town by his play (no offence Coag!)
On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town.
he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one
big difference.
we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list
really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam"
Still trying to hush down the information town has. I think we can accept artanis as town for now, it won't hurt anyone to do so. We can determine his alignment later on if things don't add up. DrH on the other hand, blankets this information with a veil of insecurity, a very scum-like play.
On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet.
i would think i'd be the day 1 target
maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive"
The old "I'm probably the target" cover. Makes him look as secure as possible if he brings up the idea of mafia trying to target him.
On November 15 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i said I'm changing my game strategy
I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive
i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though.
out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo
is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about
"i said I'm changing my game strategy" - simplest cover
Instead of playing as he normally does (logical, defensive, assertive, mannered and well presented), he kind of just dismisses the accusations against him, tries to put the limelight on other people and then posts in a very aggressive manner.
On November 15 2010 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue
THIS IS NOT DRH TOWN STYLE PLAY. DrH would never be a jackass like this as town, he's pulling a Coag here.On November 15 2010 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if in doubt, lynch coagulation.
..No.
On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay
lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call.
Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow.
What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible.
Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here:
- Mafia doesn't hit me
- Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1
- Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense
- Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely)
- Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad)
- This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument
Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table.
##Vote Pandain
Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades.
The gem of DrH's posts. He uses his jackass attitude that he's created in this game to try and push a vote against Pandain.
First, DrH is not a jackass. It is beneficial if he acts like one though, if he can attack someone aggressively for a reason as simple as OMGUS.
Second, lynching for information is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. Especially when there's someone scummy around.
Thrid, who was the one that originally said "don't be afraid to pressure"? Lynching is a form of pressure, you pressure someone then lynch them if they don't act accordingly. You are saying don't lynch for information, that is essentially saying don't pressure for information. This is contradictory and scummy.
For more information go read Pandain's analysis, it covers most of DrH's earlier posts where it's just mindless, under-the-radar type of posting.
EPT
