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On November 24 2010 11:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
For some reason, I don't feel like you would have used that as your excuse for any other player. You could keep trying to delay lynches saying "Oh no wait, HE could be guerrilla, just wait one more day." I won't let you delay the town's strongest tool just because you want to keep your scum buddy alive one more day.
town had no problem wasting its "strongest tool" two days in the beginning. and yes, i'd use the same logic on _anyone_ you want to pop THE day after they lose their final territory. the logic applies to you, me, pandain, kingjames, etc etc etc and hesmyrr all the same
why isnt it possible for there to be three guerillas? there can be any number of roles, we have no confirmation.
note i never said "dont lynch anyone" last cycle. i said to wait on hesmyrr. one day, just one day.
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Oh wow, expected this game to have progressed far more by the time I was back. Kinda makes me glad I died since I am starting to be bogged down by [censored] finals.
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One question to kingjames:
Why did you want to lynch Hesmyrr (specifically him)? I know Ace has been asking questions along that line but I have not seen a satisfactory answer. From what I have seen you just say that the town needs information and lynching him gives you information. What have you done with it though? You have not tried speculating the possible roles and actions of hesmyrr's neighbors. You have only attacked the people who have questioned your logic. I do think Annul's logic was terrible as I have shown before(lynch him first please), but Ace has argued semi-reasonably. From what I see it is very likely that you could be mafia bussing an ally about to leave the game. You claim to do something to give the town information, then distract the town from this "information" you gained by attacking another player.
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Town,
Everyone should either vote for Annul or Ace. This way we can make sure someone gets lynched.
Remember, a no lynch means another chance for the mafia to take out players at night. If we don't do anything, we will loose.
In addition, voting for other people is something the mafia would want to do, because they don't want to get their vote analyzed. We therefore need to vote for one of two people, so that the mafia can't slip through.
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On November 25 2010 00:55 DCLXVI wrote:
One question to kingjames:
Why did you want to lynch Hesmyrr (specifically him)? I know Ace has been asking questions along that line but I have not seen a satisfactory answer. From what I have seen you just say that the town needs information and lynching him gives you information. What have you done with it though? You have not tried speculating the possible roles and actions of hesmyrr's neighbors. You have only attacked the people who have questioned your logic. I do think Annul's logic was terrible as I have shown before(lynch him first please), but Ace has argued semi-reasonably. From what I see it is very likely that you could be mafia bussing an ally about to leave the game. You claim to do something to give the town information, then distract the town from this "information" you gained by attacking another player.
I think kingjames might be silenced based on the couple of posts he made, and his activity has been way down, but idk.
Hesmyrr was the target because it was confirmed that he had lost his territory. He was the only one we knew that had no territories, so he was a good person to get rid of. It would be low risk for town because it wouldn't lose voting power, and it was *potentially* high reward (which it did turn out to be).
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On November 25 2010 00:55 DCLXVI wrote:
One question to kingjames:
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From what I see it is very likely that you could be mafia bussing an ally about to leave the game.
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On November 25 2010 00:55 DCLXVI wrote:
I do think Annul's logic was terrible as I have shown before(lynch him first please)
okay so if you think it is "very likely" that KJ was bussing, why, then, do you want me to die? do you think both hesmyrr AND KJ AND myself are mafia? consider all of what happened yesterday, does this make any sense whatsoever?
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@jcarl
Yeah you explained those reasons behind the lynch target, but you have done nothing with the "information" you have obtained. Where is this "high reward" that we got out of lynching hesmyrr? We have confirmed one dead mafia, but from the roles that we know the mafia has we gained 0 information and the lynch did not reduce the mafia power. KJ did not try to speculate roles in SIFZ based on Hesmyrr's actions, he just attacked ace and annul.
@annul
I think one of you two is mafia. However, KJ is actually useful to the town if he is not mafia, whereas even if you are town you are not helpful due to your terrible logic from before. So if I were to see one of you two lynched, I would rather see you go. Also, I don't think the town will lynch KJ today, but many people will vote for you.
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Everyone vote Ace. I'll quote this post I made previously explaining it.
On November 22 2010 03:06 Pandain wrote:
Alright, in case I die:
Ace and annul are most likely both mafia. Ace for his slip up, and uncharacteristic defense of hesmyrr, and annul for his "cmon, just give one more day for Hesmyrr", which along with just being a stupid idea anyway Hesmyrr's role must be taken into account because of this. Both of them are almost certainly mafia.
Now, which of these to lynch in what order is the question we currently face. I have decided that town should lynch Ace for a number of reasons. First, he is the more certain to be mafia(slip up.) That and the fact he constantly defended Hesmyrr without giving any real thoughts on who else might be scum sets off alarms. Then he constantly said "WAR WAR WAR" during each day yet defended each of the two nights, so he claims. Furthormore, I'd rather have Ace dead than annul, since Ace is the more expierenced out of the two.
Annul should be lynched the next day of course. B
Also note he has not claimed his territory, despite the fact it could have verified him as town(and possibly pin him as scum if mafia.) Furthormore, some are saying that "Oh, ace was more logical." Yes, but that's because Ace is expierenced at this game. He knows how to debate. But he even supports Annul and HIS argument, so really Ace is making the same argument.
We need to stand together in who we vote. And we need to vote Ace.
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rofl
if i end up dying and when i flip town, at the end of this game when analysis occurs, i will STILL stand by my logic in waiting one more day.
other things being equal, nothing changes during night phase. mafia does not gain power, town does not gain power. any voting bloc changes that can occur at night are just as likely to improve town's vote count as it is to improve mafia's vote count. therefore, by waiting an extra day, we gain more information at the cost of... what, exactly? nothing.
the only way you can say that not waiting is dumb is if you assume that mafia is going to somehow take over the board in such a way that A. all mafia control 16 votes and B. their margin is high enough that they can lay their cards on the table, say "we win" and then proceed to win while simultaneously holding the defense when town tries to recover their votes each night. this is extremely unlikely to happen since town can also attack at night and, other things equal, they can pick off mafia just as well.
so with that established, waiting one more night to guarantee a mafia lynch (note: 99% sure things are not guarantees), when we have an extremely high number of cycles to spend, is a fine strategy.
if anyone tries to pin this type of shit on me, focus very hard on them. this argument of "ANNUL DEFENDED HESMYRR, HESMYRR FLIPPED RED, KILL ANNUL LOOOOOOOOOL" is pretty fucking stupid. i never defended hesmyrr. i argued against the logic of killing ANYBODY in a game where mafia do not get night kills and we are not obligated to day kill, when we are not 100% sure and when we can disprove mafianess by checking for a night action. it could have been any player in this game. not one person who is on my ass will acknowledge this fact, despite my bringing it up constantly
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Alright, I've carried this charade far enough. I only pretended to be silenced just in case the mafia didn't know where I was.
However, with the end of the day coming soon I see that the town's voting power has been fractured.
WE NEED A UNIFIED TOWN IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE THE MAFIA.
The majority of the players seem satisfied at the guilt of Ace or annul. Let us make a compromise. Help take down Ace today and the other half will help to lynch annul tomorrow.
Don't waste our lynch! Get out there and register your vote!
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On November 25 2010 07:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Alright, I've carried this charade far enough. I only pretended to be silenced just in case the mafia didn't know where I was.
However, with the end of the day coming soon I see that the town's voting power has been fractured.
WE NEED A UNIFIED TOWN IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE THE MAFIA.
The majority of the players seem satisfied at the guilt of Ace or annul. Let us make a compromise. Help take down Ace today and the other half will help to lynch annul tomorrow.
Don't waste our lynch! Get out there and register your vote!
I've been getting a lot of suspicious requests to push Ace before annul. I'm going to change my vote back. My plea is still that Town not waste a lynch. We only need a few more votes on annul!
VOTE FOR ANNUL! VOTE FOR TOWN!
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you do not seem so confident in your decisions there KJ
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Well, all I want is to get a Red today. =)
What do you want?
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Um....
What do you mean by "suspicious pressure" on Ace?
All I see are committed voters who've already decided that Ace must be lynched, and umm... you.
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On November 25 2010 07:40 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, all I want is to get a Red today. =)
What do you want?
the same, of course.
and i think we will get one. not me, though.
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There's another world filled with Reds trying to whisper in my ear...
They plan to waste today's lynch.
It has also been revealed that they will attempt to have everyone attack the bigger nations tonight in order to hide the fact that most mafia have only 1 or 2 provinces. DO NOT LISTEN TO SUCH LIES.
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On November 25 2010 07:49 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 07:40 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, all I want is to get a Red today. =)
What do you want?
the same, of course. and i think we will get one. not me, though.
If you are really trying to help, why aren't you asking for support? You seem awfully complacent for a person who also wants to lynch a mafia.
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On November 25 2010 07:50 kingjames01 wrote:
There's another world filled with Reds trying to whisper in my ear...
They plan to waste today's lynch.
It has also been revealed that they will attempt to have everyone attack the bigger nations tonight in order to hide the fact that most mafia have only 1 or 2 provinces. DO NOT LISTEN TO SUCH LIES.
How would you know if most mafia have only 1 or two provinces.
I told you kingjames, conspiracy thoughts.
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Well, Pandain, if you really want a lynch to go through today, why don't you show us by helping out the town?
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i am complacent because i have only 4 people on me right now and no risk of majority.
if more people are swayed by you then i will start fighting a bit harder. we shall see. i think ace is the kill today.
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