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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 19:28 GMT
#1141
On November 23 2010 04:22 Ace wrote:
I defended Hessmyrr because you guys never had a good reason for lynching him. Your Day 1 lynch was a farce "because you misread the rules". I defended Hessmyrr Day 1 proving that your reasons for lynching him was terrible.

Day 2? Same thing.

No one ever proved Hessmyrr was Scum. I asked like 50 times "why is Hessmyrr scum?" but you never could. So how is my defense of him scummy?

Also I've got another thing to bring up.

kingjames how were you so sure Hessmyrr was scum? You incessantly cried and shouted that he had to be Mafia.

1.) Only and information role of some sort (detective) or another Mafia member would know Hessmyrr is Scum.

2.) If you were a Detective role you'd have come out and told us. You can't be killed in this game except by lynching. Even if Mafia knew your location on the map and could pop you you couldn't be stopped if this was true.

3.) This means you are Scum. There's no way that you would know Hessmyrr is Scum. The Day 1 and Day 2 cases against him were terribly bad but you and LSB kept pushing HARD for his death. Ignoring anything anyone else said about it.


Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 01:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
Dropping in because I seem to be focus of discussion on quick glance, busy with university work so declaring v/la for 24~30 hours. If I still don't return after that hr replace me I guess. Apologies to everyone and if the worst scenario occurs will take a ban if necessary.


4.)It wouldn't be hard to bus your fellow scumbuddy if he's going to leave the game.
Before Hessmyrr was lynched I kept saying regardless of what he flips it would be an attempt by you guys to "confirm" yourself to the town. But Hessmyrr was going to possibly be gone by his own admission. This starts to add up quite nicely now doesn't it?

Day 1 start a terrible lynch upon Hessmyrr
Fail
Day 2 start another terrible lynch on Hessmyrr
Fail
In both cases neither of you could prove Hessmyrr is Scum.
Day 3 jcarl comes up with an idea to lynch for information
The minute we start accepting the plan, kingjames comes out and starts screaming to lynch Hessmyrr because he is scum even though he can only be 100% of this if he is Scum himself

annul, bless his heart, tried to question the lynch also but he get's harassed to death about it by kingjames. Annul did nothing wrong:
He questioned the nature of lynch - Hessmyrr could have been a guerrilla warrior but kingjames shot that possibility down multiple times.

We know players have guerrilla warrior abilities: We saw it used Night 2. So how come Hessmyrr couldn't have been? kingjames shot that possibility down without any proof as to how Hessmyrr could not have been guerrilla.

To this day, no one ever proved Hessmyrr was Scum. He was lynched because you two knew he was going to leave the game and saw it as an opportunity to gain Town Cred. If you are town aligned then by now you would have been able to tell us how you knew 100% that Hessmyrr was scum.

And you never answered that question. So today I'm voting for kingjames because he was pushing super hard for this guy's lynch with no proof and 100% conviction. LSB is next.


In kingjames' defense, he is extremely confident when he is hunting scum. He accuses all the way he accused Hesmyrr, and he pursues it.

Also:
Day 3 jcarl comes up with an idea to lynch for information
The minute we start accepting the plan, kingjames comes out and starts screaming to lynch Hessmyrr because he is scum even though he can only be 100% of this if he is Scum himself


This is false. kingjames was the one who posted the idea, and I agreed with him, not the other way around.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 22 2010 19:32 GMT
#1142
ah yea my bad, you're right. It was you who asked for my opinion on page 47 and I got it mixed up. Regardless my point still stands:

What started out for "lynch for information" turned into "I'm 100% sure this guy is scum" and nobody had proof.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 19:36 GMT
#1143
On November 23 2010 04:32 Ace wrote:
ah yea my bad, you're right. It was you who asked for my opinion on page 47 and I got it mixed up. Regardless my point still stands:

What started out for "lynch for information" turned into "I'm 100% sure this guy is scum" and nobody had proof.


And yet he was able to convince the majority of the players to vote for him. You won't influence people to follow you if you aren't convinced yourself.

I don't suspect kingjames at this point because he is tailing people that I think may be mafia as well.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 22 2010 19:40 GMT
#1144
Well then explain how he was sure that Hessmyrr was scum and how it was convenient that Hessmyrr was leaving the game anyway.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 22 2010 19:41 GMT
#1145
On November 23 2010 04:22 Ace wrote:
I defended Hessmyrr because you guys never had a good reason for lynching him. Your Day 1 lynch was a farce "because you misread the rules". I defended Hessmyrr Day 1 proving that your reasons for lynching him was terrible.

Day 2? Same thing.

No one ever proved Hessmyrr was Scum. I asked like 50 times "why is Hessmyrr scum?" but you never could. So how is my defense of him scummy?

Also I've got another thing to bring up.

kingjames how were you so sure Hessmyrr was scum? You incessantly cried and shouted that he had to be Mafia.

1.) Only and information role of some sort (detective) or another Mafia member would know Hessmyrr is Scum.

2.) If you were a Detective role you'd have come out and told us. You can't be killed in this game except by lynching. Even if Mafia knew your location on the map and could pop you you couldn't be stopped if this was true.

3.) This means you are Scum. There's no way that you would know Hessmyrr is Scum. The Day 1 and Day 2 cases against him were terribly bad but you and LSB kept pushing HARD for his death. Ignoring anything anyone else said about it.


Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 01:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
Dropping in because I seem to be focus of discussion on quick glance, busy with university work so declaring v/la for 24~30 hours. If I still don't return after that hr replace me I guess. Apologies to everyone and if the worst scenario occurs will take a ban if necessary.


4.)It wouldn't be hard to bus your fellow scumbuddy if he's going to leave the game.
Before Hessmyrr was lynched I kept saying regardless of what he flips it would be an attempt by you guys to "confirm" yourself to the town. But Hessmyrr was going to possibly be gone by his own admission. This starts to add up quite nicely now doesn't it?

Day 1 start a terrible lynch upon Hessmyrr
Fail
Day 2 start another terrible lynch on Hessmyrr
Fail
In both cases neither of you could prove Hessmyrr is Scum.
Day 3 jcarl comes up with an idea to lynch for information
The minute we start accepting the plan, kingjames comes out and starts screaming to lynch Hessmyrr because he is scum even though he can only be 100% of this if he is Scum himself

annul, bless his heart, tried to question the lynch also but he get's harassed to death about it by kingjames. Annul did nothing wrong:
He questioned the nature of lynch - Hessmyrr could have been a guerrilla warrior but kingjames shot that possibility down multiple times.

We know players have guerrilla warrior abilities: We saw it used Night 2. So how come Hessmyrr couldn't have been? kingjames shot that possibility down without any proof as to how Hessmyrr could not have been guerrilla.

To this day, no one ever proved Hessmyrr was Scum. He was lynched because you two knew he was going to leave the game and saw it as an opportunity to gain Town Cred. If you are town aligned then by now you would have been able to tell us how you knew 100% that Hessmyrr was scum.

And you never answered that question. So today I'm voting for kingjames because he was pushing super hard for this guy's lynch with no proof and 100% conviction. LSB is next.

Wait, so is this your argument in a nutshell?

Hesmyrr could have been town
Therefore Kingjames is scum.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 19:43 GMT
#1146
On November 23 2010 04:40 Ace wrote:
Well then explain how he was sure that Hessmyrr was scum and how it was convenient that Hessmyrr was leaving the game anyway.


He may not have been 100% sure. But he thought Hesmyrr was scum, and as I said before, if you don't believe it yourself, who else will? He was confident and other people followed.

I honestly saw Hesmyrr going afk as a futile attempt to duck out of the crosshairs, but at that point it was too late. By the time he announced his absence, there were so many votes on him that I don't think it mattered, so that is a moot point.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
November 22 2010 19:44 GMT
#1147
the funny thing is that the amount of proof ace has to accuse KJ is the exact same amount of proof KJ had to accuse hesmyrr
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 22 2010 19:49 GMT
#1148
I don't think it's against the rules if I just post this map. Here's a temporary map until Coagulation posts a better one.

[image loading]
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 19:50 GMT
#1149
hmmm...could you do something to show the silenced provinces?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 22 2010 19:50 GMT
#1150
On November 23 2010 04:49 kingjames01 wrote:
I don't think it's against the rules if I just post this map. Here's a temporary map until Coagulation posts a better one.

[image loading]

i'd prefer it if the territories i marked as "Shinmafigumi" are marked...
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
November 22 2010 19:53 GMT
#1151
As requested. Shinmafigumi are crossed out with Red X's. Coagulation might have a more elegant solution.

[image loading]

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 22 2010 19:54 GMT
#1152
On November 23 2010 04:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 04:40 Ace wrote:
Well then explain how he was sure that Hessmyrr was scum and how it was convenient that Hessmyrr was leaving the game anyway.


He may not have been 100% sure. But he thought Hesmyrr was scum, and as I said before, if you don't believe it yourself, who else will? He was confident and other people followed.

I honestly saw Hesmyrr going afk as a futile attempt to duck out of the crosshairs, but at that point it was too late. By the time he announced his absence, there were so many votes on him that I don't think it mattered, so that is a moot point.


If you know your ally is going to leave the game and is Scum, then bussing him is easy since he won't be able to continue anyway.

You are ignoring the point that he knows this guy was 100% scum. This is beyond simple belief - he KNEW. How is it he knows?

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 19:56 GMT
#1153
On November 23 2010 04:54 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 04:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 23 2010 04:40 Ace wrote:
Well then explain how he was sure that Hessmyrr was scum and how it was convenient that Hessmyrr was leaving the game anyway.


He may not have been 100% sure. But he thought Hesmyrr was scum, and as I said before, if you don't believe it yourself, who else will? He was confident and other people followed.

I honestly saw Hesmyrr going afk as a futile attempt to duck out of the crosshairs, but at that point it was too late. By the time he announced his absence, there were so many votes on him that I don't think it mattered, so that is a moot point.


If you know your ally is going to leave the game and is Scum, then bussing him is easy since he won't be able to continue anyway.

You are ignoring the point that he knows this guy was 100% scum. This is beyond simple belief - he KNEW. How is it he knows?



Lol, if you've ever taken a persuasive writing course, or written an opinionated entry, then you would know you should never say "I think". You need to be confident. You are harping too much on this, he is a confident hunter and a good poster. He knew how to make people follow him. I'm not saying he's definitively town, but he hunted well.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 22 2010 19:56 GMT
#1154
oh and to those of you who are in my alliance you can PM me now if you still have the ability. I know we haven't communicated in a while but it's time to let off these fireworks!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 22 2010 19:58 GMT
#1155
On November 23 2010 04:54 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 04:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 23 2010 04:40 Ace wrote:
Well then explain how he was sure that Hessmyrr was scum and how it was convenient that Hessmyrr was leaving the game anyway.


He may not have been 100% sure. But he thought Hesmyrr was scum, and as I said before, if you don't believe it yourself, who else will? He was confident and other people followed.

I honestly saw Hesmyrr going afk as a futile attempt to duck out of the crosshairs, but at that point it was too late. By the time he announced his absence, there were so many votes on him that I don't think it mattered, so that is a moot point.


If you know your ally is going to leave the game and is Scum, then bussing him is easy since he won't be able to continue anyway.

You are ignoring the point that he knows this guy was 100% scum. This is beyond simple belief - he KNEW. How is it he knows?



when did he say he knew

also I was actually being persuaded by you and then you defended Annul's "don't lynch him, he may be guerrila!" argument rofl.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 22 2010 20:05 GMT
#1156
by the way anybody who loses their province after this day phase will be officially dead.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 20:08 GMT
#1157
On November 23 2010 05:05 Caller wrote:
by the way anybody who loses their province after this day phase will be officially dead.


Well that just sucks.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 22 2010 20:12 GMT
#1158
Caller I hate you so much
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 22 2010 20:12 GMT
#1159
he he he
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 22 2010 20:14 GMT
#1160
Are people who lose their province from here on out, and thus officially dead, flipped and announced?

Also, are people who lost their province before going to be dead after today?
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