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Micro Mafia IV: Redemption *All questions are to be directed toward me.
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] + Intro: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
During the day mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (it's a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Any player with a special role that can act must PM me their actions each and every day.
If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (subject to change)
Posting Etiquette: No flaming. This is friendly game. We cool?
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games: 1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game. 2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned. 8. There are to be NO private messages this game for most roles. However Private messaging, including IMs / IRC, is allowed between Mafia.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is to be done in this thread. 2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: [Vote]##Korynne. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance. 3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. 4. You may not vote for yourself, anyone dead, or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched over the other person. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.
Modkills: Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to vote. If you do miss a vote, you will be modkilled. Special consideration will be exercised if a player in danger of being modkilled by this manner has been an active contributor in the thread. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Remember again: abstaining votes are NOT allowed. And once again, flaming is not tolerated. Keep it civil, or else you will receive a quick lightning bolt to the back of the head. Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread per game cycle (48 hours, the length of a day) to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers. Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game. Please remain active.However, do not just simply spam one-liners or worthless posts. Strategic modkills are NOT allowed, either. A strategic modkill is defined as anything that will better the position of your team. You cannot threaten with the words "well if you kill X and he's not mafia I'll get myself modkilled" or anything in that vein. Essentially, you may not use your non-majority-decided death as a bargaining chip. If you do happen to be modkilled, you will be put on Qatol's ban list, and cannot play in an "official" game till you have served your sentence.
Signups: Sign Ups will be done here. Just post “/in” to sign up. Or some variation
Preference will be given to players in this order 1) Not alive in Haunted Mafia (In fact you can’t be alive in Haunted Mafia if you want to join) 2) Newcomers 3) People with a good reason to try to seek redemption. Ie Masq, Veldril and other people who got killed wayyy to fast.
Clues: There are no clues.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a strict 48 hour day cycle. There is no night. In case I am not around at the deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the next daypost. The time deadline is 02:00 GMT (+00:00).
Credits: Korynne cause I literally stole the entire post from her game and changed a few things. She probably stole it from someone else. So if your angry about not being mentioned here, uhh… direct the attention to her. Qatol too
Important Setup Specific Information There is NO Night. This way the game gets done even faster. Yell if you want this changed. Feel free to give me a convoluted PM involving conditions on who is lynched and whatnot if you want. ( i.e. if Qatol gets lynched, rolecheck ver. Otherwise, rolecheck Qatol.) Or even (ie Qatol gets lynched and is doctor, rolecheck ver. If he is mafia, rolecheck Korynne. If he is townie, rolecheck LSB)
If you are on the Team Liquid Banlist. Please PM me and explain why you were banned and how you will redeem yourself, I may allow you to play. (Hence the name “Redemption”. For those who died early or want a second chance). However you will be kept on a very short leash.
Even if sign ups fill up fast. Just keep on signing in if you want to join. I will put you on the replacement list. On the event that 18 people have signed up, I’ll run a second game concurrently.
I will be running the F11 setup. One of the four setups will be chosen. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.
Awards will be given for smart (or lucky) play!
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Day 1 Vote Count + Show Spoiler +BrownBear lol1221
drag_ jodogohoo
jodogohoo Brownbear Coagulation DoctorHelvetica drag_ annul
DoctorHelvetica NB Pandain
Day 2 vote count + Show Spoiler +NB DoctorHelvetica
Coagulation NB
annul Pandain Coagulation drag_
BrownBear BrownBear
DoctorHelvetica annul
Day 3 Vote Count DoctorHelvetica BrownBear
NB Pandain DoctorHelvetica drag_
drag_ NB
Signup List
1. Coagulation Night 2 kill 2. Pandain 3. DoctorHelvetica 4. jodogohoo Day 1 lynch 5. BrownBear 6. drag_ 7. NB 8. lol1221 Night 1 kill 9. annul Day 2 lynch
Replacement List (If this reaches 9, another game will be started)
5 of 9 players remaining
? of ? Detectives remaining ? of ? Medics remaining ? of ? Town remaining
3 of 7 Town-aligned players remaining
2 of 2 Mafia remaining (Cumulative Mafia Count) ? of ? Roleblockers remaining
Mafia KP: 1
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/in
i kinda want to play this :D
crap i didnt read the no haunted mafia part
guess im
/out
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Sorry. I didn't want to steal any of DocH's people =(
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/in !!!
i was a Zombie in haunted mafia and got killed by Someone. day3 So BM
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I want /in
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On October 19 2010 23:17 jodogohoo wrote: /redemption!
Umm you have a 1 game ban. You can apply this game against your ban if you wish and be back in time for Insane Mafia because you would have been able to play in this game otherwise.
Never mind totally missed the part about redemption if you're on the Ban List. Apparently banned players may play in this game. Carry on!
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On October 20 2010 02:58 Qatol wrote:Umm you have a 1 game ban. You can apply this game against your ban if you wish and be back in time for Insane Mafia because you would have been able to play in this game otherwise.Never mind totally missed the part about redemption if you're on the Ban List. Apparently banned players may play in this game. Carry on! Ya, jodogohoo talked to me about it, and he promised to be on his best behavior. Right Jodogohoo? Pulls out giant nightstick
(He's sitting out Insane Mafia.)
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Oh LSB, you beautiful man you.
If you want help running the game let me know. I figure you might need help especially if you are running two games concurrently.
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On October 20 2010 03:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh LSB, you beautiful man you.
If you want help running the game let me know. I figure you might need help especially if you are running two games concurrently. Sure!
Hopefully this game will get done fast, its suppose to just be a filler for those people eliminated early.
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Nvm, still alive in Haunted Mafia
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/in if i cant get into insane mafia (bottom of waiting list ^^)
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come on people sign up lets gogogogo
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2 of 2 Mafia remaining (Cumulative Mafia Count) ? of ? Roleblockers remaining
is it just me or is the ? of ? kinda pointless?
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On October 20 2010 09:51 Coagulation wrote: 2 of 2 Mafia remaining (Cumulative Mafia Count) ? of ? Roleblockers remaining
is it just me or is the ? of ? kinda pointless? There might not be a roleblocker. Similarly, there may not be blue roles.
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for 9 people, 48 hours is a little bit too long?
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i want to be /in please =)
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On October 20 2010 11:51 NB wrote: for 9 people, 48 hours is a little bit too long? Considering people generally post in chunks of once or twice every day, this gets a good amount of discussion. No night post is already short enough.
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Registration closed. Pm me if you want to be an replacement. Game starting shortly
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Day 1
We were awakened during the night. The shrill scream pierced the air, clear even in the roaring of the thunderstorm.
I saw a horrible monster, grey slimy things dripping from its long claws, its head dug deep in... I don't know how to describe it. Flesh, opened in ways never thought possible, outlined in dark streams of rain and blood.
I rushed at the monster, armed only with the flashlight I grabbed on the way out. By the time it reared its bloody head, I was already in the air. And as it raked my eyes out, I threw us off the cliff into the rocks below.
The rest of the group, 9 out of the original 12 who came on this island to forge a new life, stared in horror as the body on the top of the cliff gurgled her last words.
"The mafia has come"
LSB the Obvious Townie is dead Korryne the Advice Columnist is dead Qatol the Mafia Godfather is dead
Day 1 has has started. The day will end on 02:00 GMT (+00:00) two days from now
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so its start :D... im so happy ^^ how should we play without clues? @_@
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hello. ;D
let us begin.
NB is mafia, kill him!
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On October 20 2010 13:37 NB wrote: so its start :D... im so happy ^^ how should we play without clues? @_@
YOUR A RED!!
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No pm's allowed unless mafia is a little bit unfair for townies isnt it? especially if you dont have blue role PM is pretty much only weapon green has
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Night and covert actions arn't everything. Your most powerful weapon is your logic and your vote. PMs were removed because micro mafia should focus more on scum hunting rather than circle making.
Mod hat aside: a townie's greatest weapon is his brain. Good scumhunting wins the game. Bad scumhunting looses it Also, a townie is expendable. This means you can provide cover for the blue roles, and make life difficult for the mafia. Combined together you got a great combination.
Ver's townie guide: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475
In the words of a great player. "Relying on confirmed players is a good skill toi have"
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apologize for playing that role
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day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear
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On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL
i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica
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arent you supposed to vote by PMing LSD
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Op states :
Voting rules: 1. Voting is to be done in this thread.
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Are you worried about people seeing who you vote for?? hm??
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On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing.
also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it.
the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending.
nice chainsaw defense
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On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died)....
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On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died)....
Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me..
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Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up.
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On October 20 2010 18:06 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me.. cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town?
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Hrm. Day 1 randomness doesn't look so fun when it's cast on you.
I'm not voting OMGUS, indeed I'm not voting at all yet. Give it some time, let some posting happen, and maybe something will pop out at us.
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On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:06 Coagulation wrote:On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me.. cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town?
This is true also. Really there is no reason to be defensive of other people since as a townie you have no idea who is mafia and who isn't. Mafia are the only players who are sure of an opposing players alignment.
Town need to aggressively scumhunt. There is no reason to play a defensive game as town since a town member has nothing to be defensive about. Mafia naturally play defensively and try to emphasize what is "pro-town" or not because they feel guilty.
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So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.
Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H
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On October 21 2010 05:46 Pandain wrote: So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.
Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H The Mafia and Blue roles submit thier 'night actions' during the day (before voting ends)
Night lasts essentially 1 second after the lynch. The roleblocker is to prevent DT or Medic action if it exists
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On October 21 2010 05:59 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 05:46 Pandain wrote: So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.
Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H The Mafia and Blue roles submit thier 'night actions' during the day (before voting ends)Night lasts essentially 1 second after the lynch. The roleblocker is to prevent DT or Medic action if it exists Basically LSB didn't want the whole game to have to wait 24 hours for 4 people to send in a PM. Therefore, he has them send in their actions during the day (with allowances for what happens during said day - hence allowing contingent actions) and resolves the actions as desired when the day ends. Then he makes the day post again immediately and thus removes some of the waiting time from the game.
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On October 21 2010 06:53 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 05:59 LSB wrote:On October 21 2010 05:46 Pandain wrote: So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.
Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H The Mafia and Blue roles submit thier 'night actions' during the day (before voting ends)Night lasts essentially 1 second after the lynch. The roleblocker is to prevent DT or Medic action if it exists Basically LSB didn't want the whole game to have to wait 24 hours for 4 people to send in a PM. Therefore, he has them send in their actions during the day (with allowances for what happens during said day - hence allowing contingent actions) and resolves the actions as desired when the day ends. Then he makes the day post again immediately and thus removes some of the waiting time from the game. so there are 2 blues only :<???
btw: hey, pandain is in his game xD
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On October 21 2010 07:08 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 06:53 Qatol wrote:On October 21 2010 05:59 LSB wrote:On October 21 2010 05:46 Pandain wrote: So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.
Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H The Mafia and Blue roles submit thier 'night actions' during the day (before voting ends)Night lasts essentially 1 second after the lynch. The roleblocker is to prevent DT or Medic action if it exists Basically LSB didn't want the whole game to have to wait 24 hours for 4 people to send in a PM. Therefore, he has them send in their actions during the day (with allowances for what happens during said day - hence allowing contingent actions) and resolves the actions as desired when the day ends. Then he makes the day post again immediately and thus removes some of the waiting time from the game. so there are 2 blues only :<??? btw: hey, pandain is in his game xD
We have no way of knowing. The role set-up is a secret. There might not even be a DT in this game at all.
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On October 20 2010 19:57 drag_ wrote: Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up. because you can change your vote
the whole point of the RNG voting stage is to put pressure on randoms and see if they incriminate themselves.
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On October 21 2010 07:08 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 06:53 Qatol wrote:On October 21 2010 05:59 LSB wrote:On October 21 2010 05:46 Pandain wrote: So, mafia don't kill at night(so no night?) Just townies? But then why roleblocker...I'm confuzzled.
Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H The Mafia and Blue roles submit thier 'night actions' during the day (before voting ends)Night lasts essentially 1 second after the lynch. The roleblocker is to prevent DT or Medic action if it exists Basically LSB didn't want the whole game to have to wait 24 hours for 4 people to send in a PM. Therefore, he has them send in their actions during the day (with allowances for what happens during said day - hence allowing contingent actions) and resolves the actions as desired when the day ends. Then he makes the day post again immediately and thus removes some of the waiting time from the game. so there are 2 blues only :<??? btw: hey, pandain is in his game xD
I will be running the F11 setup. One of the four setups will be chosen. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.
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I assume Sane cop = Detective Doctor = Medic right??
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vote Coagulation Terrorism...
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[Vote]##Pandain
interesting...
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lolol, this mafia is where you release all of your personal issue with other players =))
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oh my bad =( uhh vote BrownBear than...
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Guys this is still like a regular game. Keep in mind that albeit the amount of people are smaller, so is the amount of mafia. Let's take a look.
Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie. 7v2 Next day and night 5v2 Next day and night 3v2
SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily.
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EBWOP: Oh, and keep in mind the chance that a) Medic can protect a townie b) cop can detect a mafia and of course the dreaded occurence c) mafia can destroy a blue(which doesn't effect the fact we have 4 chances of to get a lynch right before we lose.
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On October 21 2010 10:30 Pandain wrote: Guys this is still like a regular game. Keep in mind that albeit the amount of people are smaller, so is the amount of mafia. Let's take a look.
Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie. 7v2 Next day and night 5v2 Next day and night 3v2
SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily. way to misunderstand what i'm saying
on day 1 town does not have enough information to pin down a mafia. people don't really have much to argue about, voting records are sparse, and there is just not enough content for real scumhunting to take place. it's a crapshoot. day 1 votes are always a crapshoot. do you really honestly think town has a great chance of catching mafia on day 1? if so that is the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a mafia game.
random voting, in the beginning, creates a discussion and increases the chance of successful scumhunting as people feel the need to defend themselves if they are voted for.
also i have no intention of destroying brownbear lol wtf. i'm voting for him to force him to talk. i picked his name at random. hence RNG vote.
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On October 21 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 10:30 Pandain wrote: Guys this is still like a regular game. Keep in mind that albeit the amount of people are smaller, so is the amount of mafia. Let's take a look.
Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie. 7v2 Next day and night 5v2 Next day and night 3v2
SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily. way to misunderstand what i'm saying on day 1 town does not have enough information to pin down a mafia. people don't really have much to argue about, voting records are sparse, and there is just not enough content for real scumhunting to take place. it's a crapshoot. day 1 votes are always a crapshoot. do you really honestly think town has a great chance of catching mafia on day 1? if so that is the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a mafia game. random voting, in the beginning, creates a discussion and increases the chance of successful scumhunting as people feel the need to defend themselves if they are voted for. also i have no intention of destroying brownbear lol wtf. i'm voting for him to force him to talk. i picked his name at random. hence RNG vote.
alright, I misunderstood. I'm not very expierenced with RNG(don't think I've played a game where we did it first day.) Thought you were saying "oh, we can't have enough info, let's just all random lynch some guy," but clearly i misunderstood. And since it seems there's no majority lynch, I'll be happy with voting him(for now.)
##Unvote Dr. H ##Vote Brownbear
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maybe i shall change my vote? lol
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im gonna vote NB just because.
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On October 21 2010 11:00 annul wrote: im gonna vote NB just because. without clues, this mafia is like a 9 people lottery or "music chair"...
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Ok nevermind
I will
##Unvote Pandain ##Vote Brownbear
it's easier when people try to defend themselves or their team try to defend them so then from there we can pick out some flaws...hopefully =P
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On October 21 2010 11:36 NB wrote:without clues, this mafia is like a 9 people lottery or "music chair"...
until we lynch someone and see what they pop... pretty much.
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There's always a chance that someone scumslips...
But, apparently you all hate me
Vote: jodogohoo because he started this pointless bandwagon after Dr H rng'd me. If it does so happen that I die, when I flip town remember who prodded the bandwagon into starting.
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But seriously, really? This is retarded.
If you all are dead set on lynching randomly, at least do it to someone who isn't me.
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I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =(
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On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =(
sacrifice? ##Unvote Brownbear
Do you understand what we're doing here btw, with voting Brownbear?
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[VOTE]##Jodogohoo
He voted me Earlier so im voting him back.
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plus considering his performance in the last game.. Im sure he is the most expendable player here if he pops town.
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On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =(
Well, color me skeptical, but I don't trust your motives.
In fact, I get the feeling you want me dead for some reason.
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I guess I am expandable.. well... if I can contribute anyway to the town.. I guess this is the best i can do.
Thus, I shall take pride in my noble sacrifice. And wish the rest of you men staying behind to fight the war good luck.
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On October 21 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote: I guess I am expandable.. well... if I can contribute anyway to the town.. I guess this is the best i can do.
Thus, I shall take pride in my noble sacrifice. And wish the rest of you men staying behind to fight the war good luck. That's your defense?
"Ok guys kill me sorry"
Why are you sacrificing yourself this early in the game?
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On October 21 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote: [VOTE]##Jodogohoo
He voted me Earlier so im voting him back. OMGUS is a classic scumtell. You're bad at this game so I doubt you're mafia based on that alone but I'd avoid it in the future if I were you
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i agree
unvote, vote coagulation
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In my defense I did the same thing day 1 against Seraph in the haunted mafia.
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Im not gonna pretend I know what im doing(im still new here) so your probably right about it making me look bad but Im kind of a passive person.. I tend to try and avoid conflict and I think that carrys over in this game alot. Generally if someone is targeting me I dont feel so bad about targeting them back.
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jodogohoo got mafia ban?....
need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T
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On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote: jodogohoo got mafia ban?....
need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T I think he's just bad, he did it in the last game. but this is typically a scumtell and newer players should be aware of it:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck
Scum use it to bandwagon without having a real reason for it, but it simply is not a good reason to vote someone. The point is to find and kill mafia, not to kill people who put pressure on you or suspect you of being mafia. It's defense via offense.
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and randomly picking a person to vote for is a better reason how???
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btw for what its worth I can assure you all im town.
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On October 21 2010 16:41 Coagulation wrote: and randomly picking a person to vote for is a better reason how??? the rationale of rng vote is: 1. put pressure on people and force them to talk 2. there is really no better way to lynch on the first day without clues/elections
the omgus vote is worthless. it doesn't pressure the person you vote for at all and it makes you look scummy especially later in the game when there are multiple bandwagons
i'm not calling you mafia but you voted the same way in the last game as well and it's just a bad way to respond to pressure
like i said the point of the game is to find mafia, not kill people who pressure you. the only reason you would want to kill someone for pressuring you was if you were mafia, that's why the OMGUS is scummy.
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I'd like to remind everyone THERE IS NO PMS
Day ends in 12 hours and 36 minutes.
Pandain, and drag_ need to vote by the end of the day
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##Vote Dr. H
pressure gogogogogogo
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On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing.
If you think that is dreamflower, you don't know her posting/playing style very well. If lol1221 is a smurf, she pretty much has to be either a guy or Korynne.
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On October 22 2010 01:07 Pandain wrote: ##Vote Dr. H
pressure gogogogogogo Pandas dont have the right to vote in this country
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On October 22 2010 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Pandas dont have the right to vote in this country
##Unvote
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Vote drag_ he hasn't voted yet!
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On October 22 2010 07:08 jodogohoo wrote: Vote drag_ he hasn't voted yet! i dun know.... the player who didnt vote yet should be a towny since he didn't communicated with anyone (aka. teammate) yet.... ~_~ it could be an afk mafia but most likely towny ~_~.... unvote##DR.H Vote## jodogohoo
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oopps, hash tag wrong order but its still a legit vote!
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i still stand by my initial observation that voting for jodo will be the best route to go.
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On October 22 2010 07:49 NB wrote:i dun know.... the player who didnt vote yet should be a towny since he didn't communicated with anyone (aka. teammate) yet.... ~_~ it could be an afk mafia but most likely towny ~_~.... unvote##DR.H Vote## jodogohoo
mafia can communicate in PM i think..however I would also like to see some content posted by drag_ or i will be a little inclined to think hes up to something.
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Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky.
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On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. lol 1 in 5 is equal to 2 in 10... thats not a big difference lol.. or really a difference at all
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On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky.
This is correct. But the RNG voting stage isn't about turning out an RNG lynch. Day 1 voting is a crapshoot there is really nothing else to do.
That's why I like games with clues personally.
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unvote BrownBear [vote]##Vote jodogohoo
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lol the first thing i though of was 8vs1, i feel like iloveoov, =)
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On October 22 2010 08:29 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. lol 1 in 5 is equal to 2 in 10... thats not a big difference lol.. or really a difference at all
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I'm pushing for this guy for day 1 lynch for 2 reasons:
1) He's banned for trolling and shit 2) obviously, he's in second, and I don't want to get lynched 3) This is the biggest contribution he's given to this game all fucking cycle. This post.
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i am still holding on to my suspicion of either annul, coagulation, drag_ or Dr.H
well even if i change votes now it doesn't make a difference anyways...majority wins??
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"ohhhhh shiiittttt! "(day9's voice)
jodogohoo bandwagon is formed xD
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hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@
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On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@
your so fucked if he pops scum
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sorry i have some english/mafia word problems...what does it mean by "pops scum"??
personally i wouldn't have any problem with jodogohoo being a mafia simply cuz i am just explaining my logic, which doesn't mean it's right~ or wrong~ this is my first time playing so i want to get involved and contribute something ^_^
if i am wrong the worst would be that i get lynched, or maybe i am already lynched by the mafia, who knows~
we will see...
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On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ all day 1 votes are pretty much pointless. it's better to lynch a bad player like jodogohoo than someone like brownbear who has some experience.
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Day 2 That day, the 9 survivors. They were desperate, they had no idea what to do. They pointed fingers, each suspecting the other. Ultimately suspicion fell onto the former convict. Many were against his placement in the first place, and he seemed to be the obvious choice. They tied jodogohoo up and threw him off the cliffs into the rocks below. However, he was innocent
It is said that the most innocent people, the ones you'd never suspect are the most dangerous. The mafia must have thought so too. The newest member of the group lol1221 never woke up.
jodogohoo the Townie is dead lol1221 the Townie is dead
Day 2 has started. It ends in 48 hours
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BYE~~~~~~~~~~ it was a short first game for me but very interesting~~
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There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul
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[Vote]##Drag_
this guys mafia lynch him and see
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[Vote]##Drag_
forgot bold.
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On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right?
Day 1 voting is a crapshoot. Voting for jodogohoo isn't suspicious at all. Good luck catching mafia on the first day in any game. :/
What is more interesting is the fact that mafia killed lol1221 rather than an experienced player like BrownBear or myself. I don't want to talk about mafias reasoning because it's pointless and devolves into WIFOM.
For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds.
[Vote]##drag_
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On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_
yes and not pandain
medics protect me.
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On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me. lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia
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[VOTE[##Coagulation
do i need a reason~_~?
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On October 22 2010 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me. lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia
Trust me I will go down in history as most honest mafia player ever mark my words. it may get me killed in the process but if it will reveal information then it is worth it.
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On October 22 2010 13:25 NB wrote: [VOTE[##Coagulation
do i need a reason~_~?
mafia will push to lynch me asap because they know im right. just saying.
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On October 22 2010 14:18 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me. lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia Trust me I will go down in history as most honest mafia player ever mark my words. it may get me killed in the process but if it will reveal information then it is worth it. great logic
if pandain was your scumbuddy no doubt he'd be raging at you for posting stuff this dumb so I'm pretty sure you're town
but try to make sense in the future
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sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~
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On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds.
looks like someone responding for him.
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On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~ omg
day 1 vote is a crapshoot there is almost NO way to pinpoint mafia on first day. basically none.
I'm not voting for drag_ to lynch him but force him to respond, he's barely posted in this thread at all. I'd vote for coagulation for shitting up the thread but I'm pretty sure he is town and since the game is so small I don't want to kill any townies here.
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On October 22 2010 15:11 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds. looks like someone responding for him. what does that even mean?
you are aware posting lots of vague useless bullshit with no explanation doesn't help us right? that's all you've been doing this game
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sorry i thought my last post was clear NB had asked
On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? I posted the reason you had provided.. he either missed it or chose to ignore it.
On October 22 2010 15:11 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds. looks like someone responding for him.
and im trying to point out that if drag_ is mafia his partner would likely respond against voting him also.. so we need to not only watch his response but anyone else that may rrespond like NB did.
sorry hope thats clear.
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On October 22 2010 15:27 Coagulation wrote:sorry i thought my last post was clear NB had asked Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? I posted the reason you had provided.. he either missed it or chose to ignore it. Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 15:11 Coagulation wrote:On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds. looks like someone responding for him. and im trying to point out that if drag_ is mafia his partner would likely respond against voting him also.. so we need to not only watch his response but anyone else that may rrespond like NB did. sorry hope thats clear. Ok, I misunderstood you.
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here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing...
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On October 22 2010 16:56 NB wrote: here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing... yeah I'm kissing coag by disagreeing with all of his statements and berating him for not making any sense and contributing nothing
i think your posts are stupid too
are we kissing now?
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On October 22 2010 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me. lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia
it cause the role was vampire, not mafia. :p.
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so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background.
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On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever
If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB
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On October 23 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB to elaborate on that NB is trying to draw up alliances between players that dont exist. a classic mafia strategy is trying to make it seem like certain players of the town are "allied together" and make them seem suspicious.
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Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill:
Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this?
Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed:
1.They thought he was blue. Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts:
On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting...
On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@
He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him. This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail?
Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that.
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On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up
as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion.
I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1
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On October 23 2010 02:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB to elaborate on that NB is trying to draw up alliances between players that dont exist. a classic mafia strategy is trying to make it seem like certain players of the town are "allied together" and make them seem suspicious. lolol, you described what i did in the haunted mafia xD.... but i admit what you pointed out is true and i had a flaw in my logic ... life go on ^^
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On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1
Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.)
Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain?
As of right now I'll be analyzing people.
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Brownbear, secret member of the SFA.
On October 20 2010 23:10 BrownBear wrote: Hrm. Day 1 randomness doesn't look so fun when it's cast on you.
I'm not voting OMGUS, indeed I'm not voting at all yet. Give it some time, let some posting happen, and maybe something will pop out at us.
On October 21 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =( Well, color me skeptical, but I don't trust your motives. In fact, I get the feeling you want me dead for some reason.
On October 21 2010 13:19 BrownBear wrote: But seriously, really? This is retarded.
If you all are dead set on lynching randomly, at least do it to someone who isn't me.
On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky.
On October 22 2010 09:06 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 08:29 jodogohoo wrote:On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. lol 1 in 5 is equal to 2 in 10... thats not a big difference lol.. or really a difference at all ... I'm pushing for this guy for day 1 lynch for 2 reasons: 1) He's banned for trolling and shit 2) obviously, he's in second, and I don't want to get lynched 3) This is the biggest contribution he's given to this game all fucking cycle. This post.
On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background.
Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's jo--- I mean Brownbear! Hmm... the first thing that strikes me out is a lack of contribution to this game thus far. I'd like to see more from him, but that in itself isn't neccesarily scum like. So I'm giving you the "Panda Warning", where we eat those who don't give enough bamboo(contributions) to da pandas(forum). He gave his reasons for voting jodo, but he was later town anyway. So, contribute more.
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Gosh dang it forgot to spoiler quotes sorry for inconvienance.. mod, can I edit that? Or no?
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On October 23 2010 05:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people.
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2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him?
3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues)
4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB.
5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes
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On October 23 2010 05:10 Pandain wrote:Brownbear, secret member of the SFA.
Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 23:10 BrownBear wrote: Hrm. Day 1 randomness doesn't look so fun when it's cast on you.
I'm not voting OMGUS, indeed I'm not voting at all yet. Give it some time, let some posting happen, and maybe something will pop out at us. Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote:On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =( Well, color me skeptical, but I don't trust your motives. In fact, I get the feeling you want me dead for some reason. Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 13:19 BrownBear wrote: But seriously, really? This is retarded.
If you all are dead set on lynching randomly, at least do it to someone who isn't me. Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 09:06 BrownBear wrote:On October 22 2010 08:29 jodogohoo wrote:On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. lol 1 in 5 is equal to 2 in 10... thats not a big difference lol.. or really a difference at all ... I'm pushing for this guy for day 1 lynch for 2 reasons: 1) He's banned for trolling and shit 2) obviously, he's in second, and I don't want to get lynched 3) This is the biggest contribution he's given to this game all fucking cycle. This post. Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's jo--- I mean Brownbear! Hmm... the first thing that strikes me out is a lack of contribution to this game thus far. I'd like to see more from him, but that in itself isn't neccesarily scum like. So I'm giving you the "Panda Warning", where we eat those who don't give enough bamboo(contributions) to da pandas(forum). He gave his reasons for voting jodo, but he was later town anyway. So, contribute more.
lol there is basically nothing to contribute day 1 except advice to blues maybe that we may or may not even have in this game
you didn't contribute jack either and neither did I and neither did anyone
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Annul Summary: Annul is very suscipcious this game. He hasn't given any real contributions(and I mean none at all, not just a one line contribution. He has voted and changed his vote 3 times without any reasons. Very suscipcious. I would be alright with a lynch of this guy. His posts: + Show Spoiler +On October 20 2010 13:39 annul wrote: hello. ;D
let us begin.
NB is mafia, kill him! yum yum spam spam On October 20 2010 14:53 annul wrote: apologize for playing that role yum yum idra reference On October 20 2010 15:53 annul wrote: arent you supposed to vote by PMing LSD yum yum game question On October 21 2010 11:00 annul wrote: im gonna vote NB just because. yum yum...wait what? I'm assuming this is still a part of the previous joke "NB IS MAFIA!" at the start. But still it's a bit suscipcious so late in the game. On October 21 2010 14:51 annul wrote: i agree
unvote, vote coagulation But Dr. H himself has said he doubts Coag is mafia.... and annul doesn't contribute at all just says "I agree." On October 22 2010 09:34 annul wrote: unvote
vote jodogohoo wow what the fadoodle? Doesn't even give a reason, just continues the bandwagon. Definitely suscipcious.
NB Summary: This guy is suscipcious to me. Now, he's new, so he gets a bit of leniancy, and I've explained some stuff to him, but some things stick out to me. For example, that whole "coag and Dr. H are scum buddies" He later admits there is no such obvious correlation, but how he came up with that in the first place I want to know. Also, he does the old "Lynch me, you'll find out I'm town." Which I never like, because it's just like your asking them to lynch you, but why would you do that if your town. Of course, townies do it alot, so I can't really judge this the best. His posts:+ Show Spoiler + On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica I can see this as a joke, with all the winky faces. But Dr. H is right, it could be an example of chainsaw defense(protecting brownbear by attacking Dr. H.) On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Alright, either this is an example that he's new, or this is an incrediably scummy post. In case he's new, I'll go over why medics should always protect someone. Basically, even if there is a 2/9 chance you'll protect someone who's mafia, that really doesn't matter. It's not like your helping mafia(no vigi) in any way besides protecting them, but thats the same thing as not protecting at all. With a possible two blues in this game, medics must always be protecting every night. On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:06 Coagulation wrote:On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me.. cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town? Already discussed. I still find this scummy, but that view is tempered by the fact he's new. On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote: jodogohoo got mafia ban?....
need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T asking for clarification. Nothing wrong I suppose, I need clarification all the time. On October 22 2010 07:49 NB wrote:i dun know.... the player who didnt vote yet should be a towny since he didn't communicated with anyone (aka. teammate) yet.... ~_~ it could be an afk mafia but most likely towny ~_~.... unvote##DR.H Vote## jodogohoo good point I think, albeit it could just be an inactive mafia n.n On October 22 2010 09:41 NB wrote: "ohhhhh shiiittttt! "(day9's voice)
jodogohoo bandwagon is formed xD Which you started, no? On October 22 2010 13:25 NB wrote: [VOTE[##Coagulation
do i need a reason~_~? Yes, yes you do. Why would you vote without giving a reason, especially when it's pretty surprising On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~ Yeah, cause as Dr. H kindly pointed out, disagreeing with each on almost every issue is a sign of a stable bond. I do find the drag lynch somewhat surprising, as it is a little bit early, but we can also pressure him to post more. On October 22 2010 16:56 NB wrote: here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing... I don't like this post because if he was townie: 1. Why would he want to be lynched at all 2. How would he know Dr. H and Coag are mafia. On October 23 2010 04:59 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 02:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB to elaborate on that NB is trying to draw up alliances between players that dont exist. a classic mafia strategy is trying to make it seem like certain players of the town are "allied together" and make them seem suspicious. lolol, you described what i did in the haunted mafia xD.... but i admit what you pointed out is true and i had a flaw in my logic ... life go on ^^ Alright, so you addmited that that was a horrible breach in logic and there is no such alliance. I have no idea how you came up with this in the first place.
drag_ Summary: This may be somewhat controversial, but I don't think drag is mafia. I think he needs to definitely contribute more, but I don't think he's mafia. Mafia, to me, are usually the suscipcious inactives. They're the inactives who post every now and then, tipping a bandwagon here or there, giving a single post about why a townie is mafia. Drag to me seems more a bored townie than a mafia. Still, must contribute more! His posts:+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2010 19:57 drag_ wrote: Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up. First post, one sentence. Doesn't really give alot of content, but he's pretty new so it's alright I suppose. Brings up a good point: We should wait until day ends before making a final decision. At the same time however, you have to remember we were voting people to get them to talk more. On October 22 2010 08:44 drag_ wrote: ##Vote jodogohoo Votes without reasoning.
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On October 23 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 05:03 Pandain wrote:On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people. -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes
1. Every vote matters. Some days are harder than others, but every one matters. 2.Thanks, I'm a very poor reader and I needed something like this. I understand now. 3.How do you know she's female? And I really think she's a smurf. Joins just in time for the Insane mafia, and even Brownbear thinks shes a smurf(albeit I don't know how he would know this, or even if he's sure.) I think she was more just trying to stay alive until next night, when she can really go KABOOM. 4. Oops, I sometimes keep my thoughts to myself and then speak as though I've already said them. I was heavily suscipcious of you based on a gut feeling, but am less so now. 5. I will
On October 23 2010 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 05:10 Pandain wrote:Brownbear, secret member of the SFA.
On October 20 2010 23:10 BrownBear wrote: Hrm. Day 1 randomness doesn't look so fun when it's cast on you.
I'm not voting OMGUS, indeed I'm not voting at all yet. Give it some time, let some posting happen, and maybe something will pop out at us. On October 21 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote:On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =( Well, color me skeptical, but I don't trust your motives. In fact, I get the feeling you want me dead for some reason. On October 21 2010 13:19 BrownBear wrote: But seriously, really? This is retarded.
If you all are dead set on lynching randomly, at least do it to someone who isn't me. On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. On October 22 2010 09:06 BrownBear wrote:On October 22 2010 08:29 jodogohoo wrote:On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. lol 1 in 5 is equal to 2 in 10... thats not a big difference lol.. or really a difference at all ... I'm pushing for this guy for day 1 lynch for 2 reasons: 1) He's banned for trolling and shit 2) obviously, he's in second, and I don't want to get lynched 3) This is the biggest contribution he's given to this game all fucking cycle. This post. On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's jo--- I mean Brownbear! Hmm... the first thing that strikes me out is a lack of contribution to this game thus far. I'd like to see more from him, but that in itself isn't neccesarily scum like. So I'm giving you the "Panda Warning", where we eat those who don't give enough bamboo(contributions) to da pandas(forum). He gave his reasons for voting jodo, but he was later town anyway. So, contribute more. lol there is basically nothing to contribute day 1 except advice to blues maybe that we may or may not even have in this game you didn't contribute jack either and neither did I and neither did anyone Hmm.. valid point. I was thinking contributing as in paragraph long or more. But there really hasn't been much of that in this game, and he has made valid points in each one. But remember, I don't find not contributing heavily suscipcious, I'm just prodding him to do more cause I know he's alot better than me and can really help.
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On October 23 2010 07:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 05:03 Pandain wrote:On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote:Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue.Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain
interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him.This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people. -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes 1. Every vote matters. Some days are harder than others, but every one matters. 2.Thanks, I'm a very poor reader and I needed something like this. I understand now. 3.How do you know she's female? And I really think she's a smurf. Joins just in time for the Insane mafia, and even Brownbear thinks shes a smurf(albeit I don't know how he would know this, or even if he's sure.) I think she was more just trying to stay alive until next night, when she can really go KABOOM. 4. Oops, I sometimes keep my thoughts to myself and then speak as though I've already said them. I was heavily suscipcious of you based on a gut feeling, but am less so now. 5. I will Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 05:10 Pandain wrote:Brownbear, secret member of the SFA.
On October 20 2010 23:10 BrownBear wrote: Hrm. Day 1 randomness doesn't look so fun when it's cast on you.
I'm not voting OMGUS, indeed I'm not voting at all yet. Give it some time, let some posting happen, and maybe something will pop out at us. On October 21 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote:On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =( Well, color me skeptical, but I don't trust your motives. In fact, I get the feeling you want me dead for some reason. On October 21 2010 13:19 BrownBear wrote: But seriously, really? This is retarded.
If you all are dead set on lynching randomly, at least do it to someone who isn't me. On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. On October 22 2010 09:06 BrownBear wrote:On October 22 2010 08:29 jodogohoo wrote:On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched.
In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. lol 1 in 5 is equal to 2 in 10... thats not a big difference lol.. or really a difference at all ... I'm pushing for this guy for day 1 lynch for 2 reasons: 1) He's banned for trolling and shit 2) obviously, he's in second, and I don't want to get lynched 3) This is the biggest contribution he's given to this game all fucking cycle. This post. On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's jo--- I mean Brownbear! Hmm... the first thing that strikes me out is a lack of contribution to this game thus far. I'd like to see more from him, but that in itself isn't neccesarily scum like. So I'm giving you the "Panda Warning", where we eat those who don't give enough bamboo(contributions) to da pandas(forum). He gave his reasons for voting jodo, but he was later town anyway. So, contribute more. lol there is basically nothing to contribute day 1 except advice to blues maybe that we may or may not even have in this game you didn't contribute jack either and neither did I and neither did anyone Hmm.. valid point. I was thinking contributing as in paragraph long or more. But there really hasn't been much of that in this game, and he has made valid points in each one. But remember, I don't find not contributing heavily suscipcious, I'm just prodding him to do more cause I know he's alot better than me and can really help.
i'm sorry but day 1 votes don't matter at all especially in a game as fast as this, day 1 scumhunting is basically impossible. talking about it is a complete and utter waste of everyones time
how are you supposed to vote reliably/seriously on day 1? seriously, tell me. you'd revolutionize the entire game of mafia forever and be famous
her quote is something about beating her boyfriend at starcraft or something like that. i'm assuming it's a female instead of a gay man but I could be wrong. also considering the heavy usage of emoticons I'm pretty sure it's a girl since that's pretty common posting behavior for females IMO
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i see the Lol1221 hit over the chance to knock out drh brownbear or pandain a sign of newb reds
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On October 22 2010 09:23 lol1221 wrote: i am still holding on to my suspicion of either annul, coagulation, drag_ or Dr.H
well even if i change votes now it doesn't make a difference anyways...majority wins??
i think this is the most important post to look at considering his lynching perhaps a lesser experienced player viewed this as a confirmed threat. perhaps there are 2 mafia on that list. this would put a big target on lol1221
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sorry not considering his lynching considering his 'HIT' mistyped there
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On October 23 2010 07:15 Pandain wrote:AnnulSummary: Annul is very suscipcious this game. He hasn't given any real contributions(and I mean none at all, not just a one line contribution. He has voted and changed his vote 3 times without any reasons. Very suscipcious. I would be alright with a lynch of this guy. His posts:+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2010 13:39 annul wrote: hello. ;D
let us begin.
NB is mafia, kill him! yum yum spam spam On October 20 2010 14:53 annul wrote: apologize for playing that role yum yum idra reference On October 20 2010 15:53 annul wrote: arent you supposed to vote by PMing LSD yum yum game question On October 21 2010 11:00 annul wrote: im gonna vote NB just because. yum yum...wait what? I'm assuming this is still a part of the previous joke "NB IS MAFIA!" at the start. But still it's a bit suscipcious so late in the game. On October 21 2010 14:51 annul wrote: i agree
unvote, vote coagulation But Dr. H himself has said he doubts Coag is mafia.... and annul doesn't contribute at all just says "I agree." On October 22 2010 09:34 annul wrote: unvote
vote jodogohoo wow what the fadoodle? Doesn't even give a reason, just continues the bandwagon. Definitely suscipcious. NB Summary: This guy is suscipcious to me. Now, he's new, so he gets a bit of leniancy, and I've explained some stuff to him, but some things stick out to me. For example, that whole "coag and Dr. H are scum buddies" He later admits there is no such obvious correlation, but how he came up with that in the first place I want to know. Also, he does the old "Lynch me, you'll find out I'm town." Which I never like, because it's just like your asking them to lynch you, but why would you do that if your town. Of course, townies do it alot, so I can't really judge this the best. His posts:+ Show Spoiler + On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica I can see this as a joke, with all the winky faces. But Dr. H is right, it could be an example of chainsaw defense(protecting brownbear by attacking Dr. H.) On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Alright, either this is an example that he's new, or this is an incrediably scummy post. In case he's new, I'll go over why medics should always protect someone. Basically, even if there is a 2/9 chance you'll protect someone who's mafia, that really doesn't matter. It's not like your helping mafia(no vigi) in any way besides protecting them, but thats the same thing as not protecting at all. With a possible two blues in this game, medics must always be protecting every night. On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:06 Coagulation wrote:On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me.. cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town? Already discussed. I still find this scummy, but that view is tempered by the fact he's new. On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote: jodogohoo got mafia ban?....
need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T asking for clarification. Nothing wrong I suppose, I need clarification all the time. On October 22 2010 07:49 NB wrote:i dun know.... the player who didnt vote yet should be a towny since he didn't communicated with anyone (aka. teammate) yet.... ~_~ it could be an afk mafia but most likely towny ~_~.... unvote##DR.H Vote## jodogohoo good point I think, albeit it could just be an inactive mafia n.n On October 22 2010 09:41 NB wrote: "ohhhhh shiiittttt! "(day9's voice)
jodogohoo bandwagon is formed xD Which you started, no? On October 22 2010 13:25 NB wrote: [VOTE[##Coagulation
do i need a reason~_~? Yes, yes you do. Why would you vote without giving a reason, especially when it's pretty surprising On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~ Yeah, cause as Dr. H kindly pointed out, disagreeing with each on almost every issue is a sign of a stable bond. I do find the drag lynch somewhat surprising, as it is a little bit early, but we can also pressure him to post more. On October 22 2010 16:56 NB wrote: here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing... I don't like this post because if he was townie: 1. Why would he want to be lynched at all 2. How would he know Dr. H and Coag are mafia. On October 23 2010 04:59 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 02:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB to elaborate on that NB is trying to draw up alliances between players that dont exist. a classic mafia strategy is trying to make it seem like certain players of the town are "allied together" and make them seem suspicious. lolol, you described what i did in the haunted mafia xD.... but i admit what you pointed out is true and i had a flaw in my logic ... life go on ^^ Alright, so you addmited that that was a horrible breach in logic and there is no such alliance. I have no idea how you came up with this in the first place. drag_ Summary: This may be somewhat controversial, but I don't think drag is mafia. I think he needs to definitely contribute more, but I don't think he's mafia. Mafia, to me, are usually the suscipcious inactives. They're the inactives who post every now and then, tipping a bandwagon here or there, giving a single post about why a townie is mafia. Drag to me seems more a bored townie than a mafia. Still, must contribute more! His posts:+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2010 19:57 drag_ wrote: Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up. First post, one sentence. Doesn't really give alot of content, but he's pretty new so it's alright I suppose. Brings up a good point: We should wait until day ends before making a final decision. At the same time however, you have to remember we were voting people to get them to talk more. On October 22 2010 08:44 drag_ wrote: ##Vote jodogohoo Votes without reasoning. Panda almost got tricked by me in haunted mafia so he is blaming xP... well, im just saying that "in case" i got lynched and im town, please watch out for the people who "got annoyed" by me :D....
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I didnt get annoyed by you. Im suspicious of you throwing a tantrum for what even you described as was no reason when we voted Drag_ its not annoying. its the exact opposite actually its very informing.. if everyone acted on there emotions as you did it would be much easier to analyze people.. thats for sure.
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##Vote BrownBear
I'm in transit between college and home tomorrow, so I may miss the deadline.
And contributions are forthcoming when I'm less busy.
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On October 23 2010 14:39 BrownBear wrote: ##Vote BrownBear
wat..
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i am going to vote drh because of his constant "day 1 votes dont matter" chant. they do matter. they are 1 shot of 3 and we blew it.
when i play mafia on irc day 1 lynches do matter, they happen, and theyre good for town. RNG voting is horrible and plays into mafias hands (no thinking voting). one day down. two to go.
notice it was drh starting this up. would he RNG into his own teammate? ofc not
and for pandain: i usually stfu unless i have something to say, i dont just contribute for the mental masturbation aspect of the game. when i decide it is time to affect the game, i make my moves and usually the games shift ;]
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On October 23 2010 18:28 annul wrote: i am going to vote drh because of his constant "day 1 votes dont matter" chant. they do matter. they are 1 shot of 3 and we blew it.
when i play mafia on irc day 1 lynches do matter, they happen, and theyre good for town. RNG voting is horrible and plays into mafias hands (no thinking voting). one day down. two to go.
notice it was drh starting this up. would he RNG into his own teammate? ofc not
and for pandain: i usually stfu unless i have something to say, i dont just contribute for the mental masturbation aspect of the game. when i decide it is time to affect the game, i make my moves and usually the games shift ;]
if you can tell me how to scumhunt effectively on day 1 in a mafia game I'm all ears as to how
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On October 23 2010 14:43 Coagulation wrote:wat.. This is the equivalent to abstaining.
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I'm confused why I'm being accused? Is it because I haven't been posting much? I mean the way I understood Coagulation's argument was that he and 4 others voted for the guy who died yesterday, so one of them must be mafia, and it can't be him. Could someone clarify?
Also, I didn't post a reason for my last vote, I didn't really know who to vote for, but at the time when I was voting, my vote would not have effected the outcome so I just went for the guy who was getting lynched anyways.
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anything is better than RNG voting. literally, anything. any vote with any reason behind it is better than RNG voting.
get people to chat its ez np though on forums it may be different, you can usually get d1 lynches with enough focus
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The day will end in about 7 hours
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On October 24 2010 02:46 annul wrote: anything is better than RNG voting. literally, anything. any vote with any reason behind it is better than RNG voting.
get people to chat its ez np though on forums it may be different, you can usually get d1 lynches with enough focus yeah it's way easier on irc
there is reason behind RNG voting, because it starts discussion and then votes can be changed to votes with reason. the problem is on forum mafia there is no other way to start the discussion and without people talking, you can't scumhunt
i know on mafiascum some players like doing a random questioning stage but it seems kinda pointless to me. that's why i like clues/elections, it makes day 1 meaningful
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I think we should make a decision between NB and annul. Both are very suscipcious in my eyes. I see the current leader is drag_, but you have to keep in mind how he played last game. He barely posted, only about 10 posts in all. And he was blue that game! If he's townie, he has even less incentive to play. (Talking about Brownbear's game of course)
So, here's the dillema. We have a new player, Annul, who admits to having played mafia on irc before(albeit i do not know extent.) And he hasn't contributed at all to the town. He's voted three different times in the day, which would be ok except he hasn't been giving real reasons why.
And then there's NB, who's made several arguments that town should do anti town things(medic not protect anyone for example.) Then he accused Dr. H and coag of being possibly related when its obvious they are not(well, they could be, but the evidence doesn't really support that right now.) Very suscipcious as well.
I'm stuck over which should be lynched, but I'm fine with either.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, I have a horrifying feeling I'm being led by Dr. H over coagulations alignment and they're actually scum buddies who just soft claimed blue so that they can draw away medic protection. But that's just because I'm scared of Dr. H. Hehe, the only reason I post this so that if it turns out its true, I can be like "AHA! I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!" despite the fact I'm doing actions otherwise :p
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lolol, accoring to the OP post, each of us seems to has 1 vote :3... tell me to to vote for? xD
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also, i did NOT make any statement on what medic should do, in fact i totally forgot that us townies has blue role and assumed everyone are greens and reds
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On October 24 2010 08:30 NB wrote: also, i did NOT make any statement on what medic should do, in fact i totally forgot that us townies has blue role and assumed everyone are greens and reds
even if there weren't any blue roles, the risk of protecting mafia is negligible since mafia couldn't be hit anyway.
Town, however can.
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On October 24 2010 08:30 NB wrote: also, i did NOT make any statement on what medic should do, in fact i totally forgot that us townies has blue role and assumed everyone are greens and reds read the op, it's possible we have no blues at all
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Oh wow.
Everyone is at one vote, and everyone has voted except drag. This means that drag is going to be the deciding vote.
We don't want mafia to be able to influence this so easily. Or blame drag for killing a townie or mafia.
I highly suggest everyone choose between NB and Annul. So NB, I suggest you unvote Coag(and do you still have any reasons for voting him, you have admitted theres no relationship between him and Dr. H). Voting annul I would highly suggest.
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##Vote annul
Just seems to all over the place, has no opinion on anything except that the day 1 lynch was wrong when he voted for the guy who got lynched.
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Wow I do not want to be the deciding vote - just gives me so much un-wanted power
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There is only one hour until day ends
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i have a feeling im gonna be hit by mafia..
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If the DT is not Coag, check Dr. H/ Brownbear. If coag is, do w/e. Those two are still viable optoins, but you might want to check NB.
Medics I suppose should protect Coag since he soft claimed blue.
If I die, coag should claim whether he is DT, and see if there is a counter claim. If there is, then we know one of them is mafia. If there isn't, we should view Coag as probably townie, but keep in mind he could be mafia trying just go gain town brownie points. Be VERY wary of that. That might actually be effective since it can draw away medic protection and establish a "confirmed" townie, when actually he is mafia.
If Annul is town, watch out for NB. I still think one of them is definitely mafia, albeit coag being mafia is still a chance.
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im DT and im checking DOCH Medics plz save me
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in case i die
There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul
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onoes roleclaim on day2.
better hope the medic's active in the last 13 minutes
on the plus side, at least if he dies then im confirmed.
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is brownbear gonna be modkilled ? isnt it kind of a waste of a vote to vote himself and get modkilled when he could have just voted someone random and stayed in the game.. im assuming if hes ok with getting modkilled hes probably townie.. and we need all the town votes we can get at this point.. Very disapointed in brownbear...
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On October 24 2010 10:47 Coagulation wrote: im DT and im checking DOCH Medics plz save me 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies.
There is quite possibly not a medic in this game. You are an idiot for roleclaiming.
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On October 24 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 10:47 Coagulation wrote: im DT and im checking DOCH Medics plz save me 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies. There is quite possibly not a medic in this game. You are an idiot for roleclaiming.
DocH why are you so BM@me ? What the fuck did i ever do to you? seriously ? All you have done is talk shit to me.
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if there is not a medic i take a hit pandain is verify as green and lynch pops whatever it pops. you guys have good information to work with.
sorry im an idiot for not being experienced at mafia.
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Day 3 As the seven survivors looked at each other suspiciously. One islander stepped forward. He was the detective. Claiming to know who caused the harm, he attempted to retake the island.
However, the islanders did not listen, and in their inactivity, they lynched annul
That night, loud bangs were heard, the survivors all hid in their tent. All but three, the detective and the two mafia. In a fight that poets would have immortalized if it occurred hundreds of years earlier, the detective held his own against the mafia. But alas, Coagulation was doomed to fail. His body was left outside of the camp, recognizable only by his golden badge.
annul the townie is dead Coagulation the Detective is dead
Day 3 has started. It ends in 48 hours
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On October 24 2010 10:57 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 24 2010 10:47 Coagulation wrote: im DT and im checking DOCH Medics plz save me 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies. There is quite possibly not a medic in this game. You are an idiot for roleclaiming. DocH why are you so BM@me ? What the fuck did i ever do to you? seriously ? All you have done is talk shit to me.
why would you roleclaim and depend on medic protection in a game where there is only a 25% chance of there being a medic/dt in the same game?
if you're being aggressively stupid in the thread I'll call you out. i don't have anything against you but i have something against the way you play this game and it hurts the town, obviously it did since you got yourself killed by roleclaiming : /
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On October 24 2010 11:00 Coagulation wrote: if there is not a medic i take a hit pandain is verify as green and lynch pops whatever it pops. you guys have good information to work with.
sorry im an idiot for not being experienced at mafia.
I play aggressively in mafia, don't take it personally. I hope you understand why you shouldn't have roleclaimed, that really has nothing to do with experienced, i just got the vibe that you didn't properly read the op or understand the way the game was constructed
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Fuck. Got distracted by the giants game. Fail.
Well, we have one less person to check out, at least.
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reading through the thread, I think it most likely that Dr H is mafia. He's been trying to play town against itself subtly, when you look at it.
Vote: Dr Helvetica
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alright right now i don't need to justify actions so I'm just going to go with SFA
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On October 24 2010 14:07 BrownBear wrote: reading through the thread, I think it most likely that Dr H is mafia. He's been trying to play town against itself subtly, when you look at it.
Vote: Dr Helvetica it'd be nice if you could point out how so I can tell you why you're wrong
attacking a player giving them no room to defend themself is scummy bro
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oh fuck X(..... sorry coag :<....
VOTE## Pandain
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On October 24 2010 15:08 NB wrote: oh fuck X(..... sorry coag :<....
VOTE## Pandain
seriously?
he checked me. I'm clean. how the fadoodle could I be mafia >
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Alright, I am so confused. I have no idea what to do. If Dr. H was a normal player, I'd think he was town, but he's Dr. H and has some funky psychological mind tricks and stuff as mafia. So I'm just going to ignore him and hope that resolves itself. I'm deciding between NB and Brownbear. Unfortunatenly I've had to use some out of game logic, but here's where that leads us.
1.Most likely, NB and Drag are not on the same team. 2.Even more likely, Brownbear and Dr. H are not on the same team.
While I hate using logic like this as its inherently uncertain and relies on what the host would do (aka, wifom), its just some musing I have. I don't think Drag is mafia, as he's usually inactive and really hasn't made any accusations, but that also could just be an inactive mafia lurking in the shadows. My utter confusion shows just how inexperienced I am, and I'm asking for Brownbear and Dr. H to start looking at some people so I can get more into thinking.
Brownbear has been less active, and should be posting more(in addition has not contributed heavily like he said he would start doing). NB has made several anti town things but I'm unsure whether that's just because he's new. Here's basically my case.
On October 23 2010 07:15 Pandain wrote: NB Summary: This guy is suscipcious to me. Now, he's new, so he gets a bit of leniancy, and I've explained some stuff to him, but some things stick out to me. For example, that whole "coag and Dr. H are scum buddies" He later admits there is no such obvious correlation, but how he came up with that in the first place I want to know. Also, he does the old "Lynch me, you'll find out I'm town." Which I never like, because it's just like your asking them to lynch you, but why would you do that if your town. Of course, townies do it alot, so I can't really judge this the best. His posts:+ Show Spoiler + On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica I can see this as a joke, with all the winky faces. But Dr. H is right, it could be an example of chainsaw defense(protecting brownbear by attacking Dr. H.) On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Alright, either this is an example that he's new, or this is an incrediably scummy post. In case he's new, I'll go over why medics should always protect someone. Basically, even if there is a 2/9 chance you'll protect someone who's mafia, that really doesn't matter. It's not like your helping mafia(no vigi) in any way besides protecting them, but thats the same thing as not protecting at all. With a possible two blues in this game, medics must always be protecting every night. On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:06 Coagulation wrote:On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote:On October 20 2010 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: day 1 lynch is a crapshoot. our best bet is to RNG a vote and put pressure on the person who is being voted for. there really is no other way.
don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly.
the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia.
I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there [Vote]##DoctorHelvetica the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Do not protect anyone? That seems like a very anti town attitude to me.. cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town? Already discussed. I still find this scummy, but that view is tempered by the fact he's new. On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote: jodogohoo got mafia ban?....
need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T asking for clarification. Nothing wrong I suppose, I need clarification all the time. On October 22 2010 07:49 NB wrote:i dun know.... the player who didnt vote yet should be a towny since he didn't communicated with anyone (aka. teammate) yet.... ~_~ it could be an afk mafia but most likely towny ~_~.... unvote##DR.H Vote## jodogohoo good point I think, albeit it could just be an inactive mafia n.n On October 22 2010 09:41 NB wrote: "ohhhhh shiiittttt! "(day9's voice)
jodogohoo bandwagon is formed xD Which you started, no? On October 22 2010 13:25 NB wrote: [VOTE[##Coagulation
do i need a reason~_~? Yes, yes you do. Why would you vote without giving a reason, especially when it's pretty surprising On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~ Yeah, cause as Dr. H kindly pointed out, disagreeing with each on almost every issue is a sign of a stable bond. I do find the drag lynch somewhat surprising, as it is a little bit early, but we can also pressure him to post more. On October 22 2010 16:56 NB wrote: here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing... I don't like this post because if he was townie: 1. Why would he want to be lynched at all 2. How would he know Dr. H and Coag are mafia. On October 23 2010 04:59 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 02:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually.
jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths.
We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that.
The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB to elaborate on that NB is trying to draw up alliances between players that dont exist. a classic mafia strategy is trying to make it seem like certain players of the town are "allied together" and make them seem suspicious. lolol, you described what i did in the haunted mafia xD.... but i admit what you pointed out is true and i had a flaw in my logic ... life go on ^^ Alright, so you addmited that that was a horrible breach in logic and there is no such alliance. I have no idea how you came up with this in the first place. In addition, he voted me even though I've been checked by coag.
##Unvote Dr. H ##Vote NB
+ Show Spoiler +so confused
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On October 24 2010 15:23 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 15:08 NB wrote: oh fuck X(..... sorry coag :<....
VOTE## Pandain seriously? he checked me. I'm clean. how the fadoodle could I be mafia > proof for he checking you?
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On October 24 2010 10:48 Coagulation wrote: in case i die
There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul
not me.
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[Vote]##NB
Sorry I can't really be too active today. I have a lot of shit to do
I'm voting NB because he is scummy to me for the following reasons: 1. doesn't commit to his arguments 2. defense by way of attack 3. draws fake connections between players (mafia do this to either a. bus a scumbuddy to make themselves innocent, b. incriminate an innocent townie if a scumbuddy dies, c. put the FoS on 1/2 of a townie-townie alliance) 4. offers to get lynched (possible bus to save scumbuddy)
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On October 25 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 10:48 Coagulation wrote: in case i die
There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul not me. sr man, if your name is not on the list, it means that he has not checked you YET!! and dont tell me he is detective, what if he got role blocked?
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On October 25 2010 09:49 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:On October 24 2010 10:48 Coagulation wrote: in case i die
There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul not me. sr man, if your name is not on the list, it means that he has not checked you YET!! and dont tell me he is detective, what if he got role blocked?
Because he specifically said I am not mafia.
On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me.
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On October 25 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 09:49 NB wrote:On October 25 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:On October 24 2010 10:48 Coagulation wrote: in case i die
There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul not me. sr man, if your name is not on the list, it means that he has not checked you YET!! and dont tell me he is detective, what if he got role blocked? Because he specifically said I am not mafia. Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me. quote the post he said that or it never happen! If he did said that, i will change my vote to what evar u tell me to :D
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On October 25 2010 11:30 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote:On October 25 2010 09:49 NB wrote:On October 25 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:On October 24 2010 10:48 Coagulation wrote: in case i die
There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul not me. sr man, if your name is not on the list, it means that he has not checked you YET!! and dont tell me he is detective, what if he got role blocked? Because he specifically said I am not mafia. On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote:On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? [Vote]##drag_ yes and not pandain medics protect me. quote the post he said that or it never happen! If he did said that, i will change my vote to what evar u tell me to :D
I just did
Alright guys, turns out its Lylo. I want everyone talking. This is the final vote.
We mislynch, and we lose.
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I don't understand why NB is continuing to point at Pandain when it seems clear he's been checked and come up clean. Haven't seen any defense from him so, ##Vote NB
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Drag and Dr. H or BB and NB.
Let's see whether I'm right..........
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##unvote Pandain ##Vote drag_
may the force be with us!
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Hmm... why are we voting drag instead of Dr H if we think they're connected?
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OMG ITS YORU BIRTHDAY WHY DIDNT YOU SAY ANYTHING
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Haha, thanks... not yet for me, 5 more hours.
It's my 21st though, so pretty excited!
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Happy early Birthday BrownBear! Booze Booze Booze Booze!
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Night 3 It ended as quickly as it started. On the rain slick rocks, two men grappled. One condemned by the group, the other leading the charge
As one man finally pinned down NB. He yelled for the two other islanders by his side to help him push NB over the side. Instead his two friends pushed both men off the cliff. As Pandain, he was at least content, finally knowing his killers.
Turning two the camp, the two traitors finished the job. They drew out their sidearms, and promptly Brownbear in the gut repeatedly.
As Brownbear’s life drained out of him, he had a strange thought in his head. I don’t have to run anymore. In fact, everyone on the island (save for the mafia) would have agreed. If only they had talked.
Do not cheat the Mafia.
NB the townie is dead Pandain the townie is dead Brownbear the townie is dead
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End Post Flawless Mafia Victory!
I’d like to congratulate DoctorHelvetica and drag_ for pulling it off.
Night actions
Night 1: Kill: lol1221 Investigate: Pandain
Night 2: Kill: Coagulation
Investigate: DoctorHelvetica
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Awards
MVP: DoctorHelvetica. He has control over the town. I don’t care if you think you have autonomy. Every thought in your head was directly planted by DoctorH Made of Testosterone: Coagulation. Okay, day 2 he claims DT at the start, breadcrumbs that he investigated Pandain and then fingers drag_. Pow! He was the only one (besides the mafia) who was able to figure out who the mafia were. Night two he even investigated DoctorHelvetica.
Now, should he have claimed? It wasn’t a bad idea. (I’ll get to this later in my post game analysis). If people followed him and killed drag_, DocH would fall really fast due to his obvious bus. Town wins.
I ate my lucky charms: drag_. HOW IN THE WORLD IS HE ALIVE? He posted like twice in the whole game. He did nothing but bandwagon people. Why??? Why??? Why???
Post game analysis will come tomorrow after I hear back from more people.
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Ahhhh shitfuck, I was about to switch my vote over to Dr H too...
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my original plan in a game with no dt was to bus drag_ immediately on the first day. town would consider that way too ballsy for a scum to do and I could just pick everyone off 1 by 1. maybe even claim dt myself.
sorry drag_
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Er, to drag_, I mean. Got confused about when the day actually ended due to timezone change.
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On October 26 2010 11:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:my original plan in a game with no dt was to bus drag_ immediately on the first day. town would consider that way too ballsy for a scum to do and I could just pick everyone off 1 by 1. maybe even claim dt myself. sorry drag_ Remind me to never be on mafia with you XD. Thanks!
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NB Should get the I have no idea whats going on award.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BROWNBEAR!
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On October 26 2010 11:31 Coagulation wrote: NB Should get the I have no idea whats going on award. sr man, i did vote for both Dr.H and drag_.... Its not like i dont know what is going on but i wana change my stats since my early lost in haunted mafia ^^ Since this is just a small game, i wana use it as a test to see people reaction for the incoming insane mafia ....
Happy B-day BB!
GG guys ^^
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Wow really? DH still has never been town in his TL mafia history? Lol. Anyway, some quick post game commentary/some stuff that stuck out to me:
On October 21 2010 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is true also. Really there is no reason to be defensive of other people since as a townie you have no idea who is mafia and who isn't. Mafia are the only players who are sure of an opposing players alignment.
Town need to aggressively scumhunt. There is no reason to play a defensive game as town since a town member has nothing to be defensive about. Mafia naturally play defensively and try to emphasize what is "pro-town" or not because they feel guilty.
First bolded statement is not true. There are plenty of examples when townies defend someone even early in the game because they think people are on the wrong track. For example, Foolishness defended BC and Pyrr when they were going at each other in Mafia XII. In mafia XX, L/BC/me all defended each other early in the game claiming we were all innocent. There are other games where innocents making defenses have occurred, so these are just two examples. In both games, the defenders were all innocent. DH's statement suggests that people only defend others when they know for certain that they are defending an innocent (or mafia, in the case of mafia defenders). This is not the case. Innocents have plenty of reason to break up a fight if they feel that the fight is helping cloud the town's judgment, not leading the town in the correct direction, or giving advantage to the mafia by creating an air of chaos. None of these reasons require 100% confirmation of alignment in order to make a defense. Now this statement doesn't really say much about DH's alignment, but is very strange. And also something mafia has good reason to say. DH should have been called out on this logic in some way.
Second bolded statement is interesting if only because DH has not been aggressively scumhunting. All he does is say day 1 lynches are worthless both in terms of information and in terms of the accuracy of a day 1 lynch. A little later on, he does attack a few people for "scumtells", but this really isn't "aggressive scumhunting". DH's statement is contradictory and should be called out.
Furthermore, a look at DH's previous statement:
On October 20 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:the only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense
shows that DH doesn't want to lynch people for defending other players. Yet now he says that town has no reason to defend other players. What is DH trying to say here? It seems like he's contradicting himself, since according to his logic only mafia have incentive to defend other players. Hypocrisy here that should be pointed out.
On October 21 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 10:30 Pandain wrote: Guys this is still like a regular game. Keep in mind that albeit the amount of people are smaller, so is the amount of mafia. Let's take a look.
Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie. 7v2 Next day and night 5v2 Next day and night 3v2
SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily. way to misunderstand what i'm saying on day 1 town does not have enough information to pin down a mafia. people don't really have much to argue about, voting records are sparse, and there is just not enough content for real scumhunting to take place. it's a crapshoot. day 1 votes are always a crapshoot. do you really honestly think town has a great chance of catching mafia on day 1? if so that is the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a mafia game. random voting, in the beginning, creates a discussion and increases the chance of successful scumhunting as people feel the need to defend themselves if they are voted for. also i have no intention of destroying brownbear lol wtf. i'm voting for him to force him to talk. i picked his name at random. hence RNG vote.
More ranting that day 1 lynch is useless. Multiple games have proven that day 1 information comes around. For example, Team Melee Mini Mafia II had significant evidence on a mafia lynch day 1. Its not impossible. People who say day 1 is useless should be looked at carefully with a wary eye.
On "chainsaw defenses" and other "scumtells": these sorts of tells should be looked at with a lot of skepticism. Because quite frankly they're normally wrong. Yet DH gets away with this kind of behavior.
On October 22 2010 10:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia??
this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already)
just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ all day 1 votes are pretty much pointless. it's better to lynch a bad player like jodogohoo than someone like brownbear who has some experience.
More criticism by DH, who does nothing to further town's goals. Still people don't call him out. The only thing I see is a couple randomvotes here and there.
On October 22 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds
DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? Day 1 voting is a crapshoot. Voting for jodogohoo isn't suspicious at all. Good luck catching mafia on the first day in any game. :/ What is more interesting is the fact that mafia killed lol1221 rather than an experienced player like BrownBear or myself. I don't want to talk about mafias reasoning because it's pointless and devolves into WIFOM.For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds. [Vote]##drag_
So...the mafia kill is "interesting", yet you don't want to talk about this "interesting" reasoning because its pointless? Why bring this up in the first place? Someone is trying to appear to provide content.
I'll stop here, but the entire game, DH get away with a lot of bad logic and questionable behavior without being challenged. Mafia don't hand themselves to you on a plate. They need to be challenged/subverted in some way/forced to act. Town did nothing to take control of the game atmosphere, and paid for it. DH slips by with an easy win here because of town complacency.
Active towns need to pressure people in meaningful ways and take control of the game atmosphere. Letting people get away with fence-sitting and bad logic like DH did is sure going to lead to a town loss.
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i want to be town
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On October 26 2010 15:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:i want to be town
I too am quite interested in seeing how you would perform as town.
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to explain a little more about my strats in this game, I simply tried to play dumb with a little bit "anti-town" attitude. How does this help the town? It does not. The only thing it does is keeping me alive in the game to observe your reactions base on different move i made. Since most of my action are "un-certain", there is no way mafia would consider me as a target and all i need is to survive the first day since the chance for me to survive 2nd and 3rd is pretty high since i assume i wont have votes from the 2 mafia. Interestingly enough, this method work extremely well and i can clearly see the bandwagons people try to pull off and follow. As the result, I have a quite clear view on who was trying to do what and all of my votes are on "none-green" character. Unfortunately i realized on Drag_ quite late (after i tried to accuse pandian on being scum, he agreed to lynch me right away) so there is no way i could change people mind at that time. About the fact that Dr.H voted on drag_, it was really a good move to make sure if 1 of them die the other will survive but since he did it too early on, it turns out to be a bad move (also its bad since you only have 2 scums). I tried to use that move in haunted mafia but i got killed to early to pull that off. i hope my allies in that game are doing ok T_T...
hmm, i will have to try a different strats in Insane mafia xD... lets see what i came up with :3
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I was on to DOCH.. im not very experienced at mafia yet but i did notice Like 75% of his posting was "your doing it wrong" as opposed to "doing it"
unfortunately my DT check was in vain. ( I probably only have myself to blame)
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why is doctor h so good.
honestly I was so lost, I had no idea what to do.
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On October 26 2010 15:56 NB wrote:to explain a little more about my strats in this game, I simply tried to play dumb with a little bit "anti-town" attitude. How does this help the town? It does not. The only thing it does is keeping me alive in the game to observe your reactions base on different move i made. Since most of my action are "un-certain", there is no way mafia would consider me as a target and all i need is to survive the first day since the chance for me to survive 2nd and 3rd is pretty high since i assume i wont have votes from the 2 mafia. Interestingly enough, this method work extremely well and i can clearly see the bandwagons people try to pull off and follow. As the result, I have a quite clear view on who was trying to do what and all of my votes are on "none-green" character. Unfortunately i realized on Drag_ quite late (after i tried to accuse pandian on being scum, he agreed to lynch me right away) so there is no way i could change people mind at that time. About the fact that Dr.H voted on drag_, it was really a good move to make sure if 1 of them die the other will survive but since he did it too early on, it turns out to be a bad move (also its bad since you only have 2 scums). I tried to use that move in haunted mafia but i got killed to early to pull that off. i hope my allies in that game are doing ok T_T... hmm, i will have to try a different strats in Insane mafia xD... lets see what i came up with :3 Caller used to use this style quite frequently. The problem with it is once you decide to help the town, they are less inclined to believe you/ follow you. However, if you can get past that, it can be quite effective.
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On October 26 2010 22:04 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 15:56 NB wrote:to explain a little more about my strats in this game, I simply tried to play dumb with a little bit "anti-town" attitude. How does this help the town? It does not. The only thing it does is keeping me alive in the game to observe your reactions base on different move i made. Since most of my action are "un-certain", there is no way mafia would consider me as a target and all i need is to survive the first day since the chance for me to survive 2nd and 3rd is pretty high since i assume i wont have votes from the 2 mafia. Interestingly enough, this method work extremely well and i can clearly see the bandwagons people try to pull off and follow. As the result, I have a quite clear view on who was trying to do what and all of my votes are on "none-green" character. Unfortunately i realized on Drag_ quite late (after i tried to accuse pandian on being scum, he agreed to lynch me right away) so there is no way i could change people mind at that time. About the fact that Dr.H voted on drag_, it was really a good move to make sure if 1 of them die the other will survive but since he did it too early on, it turns out to be a bad move (also its bad since you only have 2 scums). I tried to use that move in haunted mafia but i got killed to early to pull that off. i hope my allies in that game are doing ok T_T... hmm, i will have to try a different strats in Insane mafia xD... lets see what i came up with :3 Caller used to use this style quite frequently. The problem with it is once you decide to help the town, they are less inclined to believe you/ follow you. However, if you can get past that, it can be quite effective. yes, it turns out to be quite effective if you get people to trust you and the only way i could think of it is either using PM blindly early game to garther allies (not allowed in this game) OR creating a HUGE giant ass post that can change everybody mind (hard and time consuming to do) :<
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On October 26 2010 19:32 Pandain wrote: why is doctor h so good.
honestly I was so lost, I had no idea what to do. Just kill drag_ that would have been the cool thing to do. Analysis would have taken 3 minutes.
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On October 27 2010 00:52 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 22:04 Qatol wrote:On October 26 2010 15:56 NB wrote:to explain a little more about my strats in this game, I simply tried to play dumb with a little bit "anti-town" attitude. How does this help the town? It does not. The only thing it does is keeping me alive in the game to observe your reactions base on different move i made. Since most of my action are "un-certain", there is no way mafia would consider me as a target and all i need is to survive the first day since the chance for me to survive 2nd and 3rd is pretty high since i assume i wont have votes from the 2 mafia. Interestingly enough, this method work extremely well and i can clearly see the bandwagons people try to pull off and follow. As the result, I have a quite clear view on who was trying to do what and all of my votes are on "none-green" character. Unfortunately i realized on Drag_ quite late (after i tried to accuse pandian on being scum, he agreed to lynch me right away) so there is no way i could change people mind at that time. About the fact that Dr.H voted on drag_, it was really a good move to make sure if 1 of them die the other will survive but since he did it too early on, it turns out to be a bad move (also its bad since you only have 2 scums). I tried to use that move in haunted mafia but i got killed to early to pull that off. i hope my allies in that game are doing ok T_T... hmm, i will have to try a different strats in Insane mafia xD... lets see what i came up with :3 Caller used to use this style quite frequently. The problem with it is once you decide to help the town, they are less inclined to believe you/ follow you. However, if you can get past that, it can be quite effective. yes, it turns out to be quite effective if you get people to trust you and the only way i could think of it is either using PM blindly early game to garther allies (not allowed in this game) OR creating a HUGE giant ass post that can change everybody mind (hard and time consuming to do) :< You should never have to PM blindly. Educated guessing is another matter entirely. There are usually at least a few people who are pretty blatantly innocent for various reasons early in the game. Start off talking to them . Always keep in mind that they might not be as innocent as they seem, but Mafia usually slip up decently quickly if you talk to them enough. Obviously none of this matters in games without PMs.
I'm not entirely sure even a huge post to establish your innocence is really enough. Honestly, it is just hard to establish trust after people decide you are suspicious barring a positive rolecheck or something like a medic protection. You pretty much have to make several comprehensive posts which lead to multiple mafia. That style is simply worse in games without PMs to the point where I'd advise against using it.
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On October 27 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 19:32 Pandain wrote: why is doctor h so good.
honestly I was so lost, I had no idea what to do. Just kill drag_ that would have been the cool thing to do. Analysis would have taken 3 minutes. And it isn't like DrH didn't have mafia tells too. Incognito's post above highlighted a bunch of them. If you're unsure you can do something like that, go back and read some of the old games. There are also at least 3 guides out there (Ver's, Ace's, mine - all highlighted in the stickied tips and tricks thread), and you could always PM a more experienced player and ask for pointers (I recommend Incognito because he obviously read the full game).
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Post Game Analysis.
Day One
The biggest question is what the town should do day 1.
The good example of a Day 1 game would be TMMM2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142614¤tpage=9#173 During Day 1 people established a good atmosphere for the town. Incog had discussion on a plan going. And more importantly both mafia teams were fingered and almost died. In fact, if kor hadn’t allowed for abstentions, the town would have killed me/pyrr (mafia) on day 1.
Incog offered a great plan for micro mafia; I would have pushed that plan. Also, I don’t know where the RNG day 1 idea came from. But immediately two things should have been suspect. 1) DoctorH RNGed a vet 2) No one considered lynching inactives. If the town went for a plan of lynching inactives, drag_ wouldn’t have had such an easy time. Although jodogohoo probably would have still died. DoctorH would look scummy, and drag_ would be pressured to play.
On October 21 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote: I guess I am expandable.. well... if I can contribute anyway to the town.. I guess this is the best i can do.
Thus, I shall take pride in my noble sacrifice. And wish the rest of you men staying behind to fight the war good luck. Jodogohoo, I guess you were playing conservatively, but fight! As townie you are expendable, that means use your life well
Day Two DoctorH killed lol1221 because he didn’t want to draw attention to himself. If the mafia killed a vet and DoctorH is alive, things would look kindof strange.
The big issue was what to deal with Coagulation. He immediately claimed DT at the start of day 1. Strangely DocH was the only one who noticed this.
Immediately the town should have made the choice to Kill Coagulation because he lied or Kill Drag_ because Coagulation is telling the truth. The town wasted the DT this game. Although Coagulation should have attacked drag_ more. The town really ignored all of this.
Day 3 NB, although I see you were trying to act scummy. However, this just gave DocH a great way to bandwagon you. And then you died because of this. This style I guess can be used day 1, or if you are guaranteed townie (Incog tried using this in TMMM2, but me and pyrr caught on). But on Lylo, this is just suicide for the town.
What should of happened is more pressure on drag_, he bandwagon two people without much explanation, and the DT Voted for him. Then again, lots of things could have happened.
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IDK, I was relunctant about voting Drag, because he's played like this last game even with blue. which comes up an essential problem I've been having: Analysis. More specificaly, what should you analyze, what are good ways to analyze someone, and how do you tell between a bad/bored townie and a scum.
I'm happy at the least I knew it was either NB/BB or drag/Dr.H but of course it was day 3 by then :p.
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