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don't listen to any bullshit about how "we need to lynch whoever gives us the most information", that's mafia talk. it's used to draw up fake allegiances which benefit the mafia very clearly. the more votes someone gets, the more defensive they get, the more likely they are to slip up if they're mafia. I randomly pick [Vote]##BrownBear | ||
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On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote: lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there  [Vote]##DoctorHelveticathe only player i don't know is lol1221 and i'm assuming it's korynne or dreamflower smurfing. also i wanted to say this to the town and this is the perfect time to do so: don't lynch people for defending other players. note in haunted mafia how veldril barely defended masq (which is reasonable cause day 1 lynch is a crapshoot anyhow) and then ended up getting lynched for it. the way mafia defend other mafia is by attacking the accuser, not by actually defending. nice chainsaw defense | ||
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On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote: cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town? This is true also. Really there is no reason to be defensive of other people since as a townie you have no idea who is mafia and who isn't. Mafia are the only players who are sure of an opposing players alignment. Town need to aggressively scumhunt. There is no reason to play a defensive game as town since a town member has nothing to be defensive about. Mafia naturally play defensively and try to emphasize what is "pro-town" or not because they feel guilty. | ||
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On October 21 2010 07:08 NB wrote: so there are 2 blues only :<??? btw: hey, pandain is in his game xD We have no way of knowing. The role set-up is a secret. There might not even be a DT in this game at all. | ||
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On October 20 2010 19:57 drag_ wrote: Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up. because you can change your vote the whole point of the RNG voting stage is to put pressure on randoms and see if they incriminate themselves. | ||
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On October 21 2010 10:30 Pandain wrote: Guys this is still like a regular game. Keep in mind that albeit the amount of people are smaller, so is the amount of mafia. Let's take a look. Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie. 7v2 Next day and night 5v2 Next day and night 3v2 SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily. way to misunderstand what i'm saying on day 1 town does not have enough information to pin down a mafia. people don't really have much to argue about, voting records are sparse, and there is just not enough content for real scumhunting to take place. it's a crapshoot. day 1 votes are always a crapshoot. do you really honestly think town has a great chance of catching mafia on day 1? if so that is the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a mafia game. random voting, in the beginning, creates a discussion and increases the chance of successful scumhunting as people feel the need to defend themselves if they are voted for. also i have no intention of destroying brownbear lol wtf. i'm voting for him to force him to talk. i picked his name at random. hence RNG vote. | ||
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On October 21 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote: I guess I am expandable.. well... if I can contribute anyway to the town.. I guess this is the best i can do. Thus, I shall take pride in my noble sacrifice. And wish the rest of you men staying behind to fight the war good luck. That's your defense? "Ok guys kill me sorry" Why are you sacrificing yourself this early in the game? | ||
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On October 21 2010 13:44 Coagulation wrote: [VOTE]##Jodogohoo He voted me Earlier so im voting him back. OMGUS is a classic scumtell. You're bad at this game so I doubt you're mafia based on that alone but I'd avoid it in the future if I were you | ||
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On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote: jodogohoo got mafia ban?.... need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T I think he's just bad, he did it in the last game. but this is typically a scumtell and newer players should be aware of it: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck Scum use it to bandwagon without having a real reason for it, but it simply is not a good reason to vote someone. The point is to find and kill mafia, not to kill people who put pressure on you or suspect you of being mafia. It's defense via offense. | ||
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On October 21 2010 16:41 Coagulation wrote: and randomly picking a person to vote for is a better reason how??? the rationale of rng vote is: 1. put pressure on people and force them to talk 2. there is really no better way to lynch on the first day without clues/elections the omgus vote is worthless. it doesn't pressure the person you vote for at all and it makes you look scummy especially later in the game when there are multiple bandwagons i'm not calling you mafia but you voted the same way in the last game as well and it's just a bad way to respond to pressure like i said the point of the game is to find mafia, not kill people who pressure you. the only reason you would want to kill someone for pressuring you was if you were mafia, that's why the OMGUS is scummy. | ||
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On October 22 2010 01:07 Pandain wrote: ##Vote Dr. H pressure gogogogogogo Pandas dont have the right to vote in this country | ||
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On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched. In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. This is correct. But the RNG voting stage isn't about turning out an RNG lynch. Day 1 voting is a crapshoot there is really nothing else to do. That's why I like games with clues personally. | ||
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[vote]##Vote jodogohoo | ||
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On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia?? this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already) just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ all day 1 votes are pretty much pointless. it's better to lynch a bad player like jodogohoo than someone like brownbear who has some experience. | ||
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On October 22 2010 11:20 Coagulation wrote: There are 5 people who are possible reds DocH BrownBear Drag_ NB Annul But not you right? Day 1 voting is a crapshoot. Voting for jodogohoo isn't suspicious at all. Good luck catching mafia on the first day in any game. :/ What is more interesting is the fact that mafia killed lol1221 rather than an experienced player like BrownBear or myself. I don't want to talk about mafias reasoning because it's pointless and devolves into WIFOM. For now I'll vote for Drag_ and see how he responds. [Vote]##drag_ | ||
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On October 22 2010 11:53 Coagulation wrote: yes and not pandain medics protect me. lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia | ||
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On October 22 2010 14:18 Coagulation wrote: Trust me I will go down in history as most honest mafia player ever mark my words. it may get me killed in the process but if it will reveal information then it is worth it. great logic if pandain was your scumbuddy no doubt he'd be raging at you for posting stuff this dumb so I'm pretty sure you're town but try to make sense in the future | ||
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On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~ omg day 1 vote is a crapshoot there is almost NO way to pinpoint mafia on first day. basically none. I'm not voting for drag_ to lynch him but force him to respond, he's barely posted in this thread at all. I'd vote for coagulation for shitting up the thread but I'm pretty sure he is town and since the game is so small I don't want to kill any townies here. | ||
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On October 22 2010 15:11 Coagulation wrote: looks like someone responding for him. what does that even mean? you are aware posting lots of vague useless bullshit with no explanation doesn't help us right? that's all you've been doing this game | ||
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On October 22 2010 15:27 Coagulation wrote: sorry i thought my last post was clear NB had asked I posted the reason you had provided.. he either missed it or chose to ignore it. and im trying to point out that if drag_ is mafia his partner would likely respond against voting him also.. so we need to not only watch his response but anyone else that may rrespond like NB did. sorry hope thats clear. Ok, I misunderstood you. | ||
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On October 22 2010 16:56 NB wrote: here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing... yeah I'm kissing coag by disagreeing with all of his statements and berating him for not making any sense and contributing nothing i think your posts are stupid too are we kissing now? | ||
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On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually. jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths. We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that. The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB | ||
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On October 23 2010 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: coag is defending pandain for no reason which pretty much means 1. he's the DT and he checked pandain 2. he's mafia and so is pandain 3. he's bad and just trusts pandain for no reason whatsoever If I had to vote between the two of them, I'd go with NB to elaborate on that NB is trying to draw up alliances between players that dont exist. a classic mafia strategy is trying to make it seem like certain players of the town are "allied together" and make them seem suspicious. | ||
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On October 23 2010 04:45 Pandain wrote: Okay, some things that can be noted from tonights kill: Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue. Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him. This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 | ||
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On October 23 2010 05:03 Pandain wrote: Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people. -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes | ||
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On October 23 2010 05:10 Pandain wrote: Brownbear, secret member of the SFA. Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's jo--- I mean Brownbear! Hmm... the first thing that strikes me out is a lack of contribution to this game thus far. I'd like to see more from him, but that in itself isn't neccesarily scum like. So I'm giving you the "Panda Warning", where we eat those who don't give enough bamboo(contributions) to da pandas(forum). He gave his reasons for voting jodo, but he was later town anyway. So, contribute more. lol there is basically nothing to contribute day 1 except advice to blues maybe that we may or may not even have in this game you didn't contribute jack either and neither did I and neither did anyone | ||
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On October 23 2010 07:20 Pandain wrote: 1. Every vote matters. Some days are harder than others, but every one matters. 2.Thanks, I'm a very poor reader and I needed something like this. I understand now. 3.How do you know she's female? And I really think she's a smurf. Joins just in time for the Insane mafia, and even Brownbear thinks shes a smurf(albeit I don't know how he would know this, or even if he's sure.) I think she was more just trying to stay alive until next night, when she can really go KABOOM. 4. Oops, I sometimes keep my thoughts to myself and then speak as though I've already said them. I was heavily suscipcious of you based on a gut feeling, but am less so now. 5. I will  Hmm.. valid point. I was thinking contributing as in paragraph long or more. But there really hasn't been much of that in this game, and he has made valid points in each one. But remember, I don't find not contributing heavily suscipcious, I'm just prodding him to do more cause I know he's alot better than me and can really help. i'm sorry but day 1 votes don't matter at all especially in a game as fast as this, day 1 scumhunting is basically impossible. talking about it is a complete and utter waste of everyones time how are you supposed to vote reliably/seriously on day 1? seriously, tell me. you'd revolutionize the entire game of mafia forever and be famous her quote is something about beating her boyfriend at starcraft or something like that. i'm assuming it's a female instead of a gay man but I could be wrong. also considering the heavy usage of emoticons I'm pretty sure it's a girl since that's pretty common posting behavior for females IMO | ||
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On October 23 2010 18:28 annul wrote: i am going to vote drh because of his constant "day 1 votes dont matter" chant. they do matter. they are 1 shot of 3 and we blew it. when i play mafia on irc day 1 lynches do matter, they happen, and theyre good for town. RNG voting is horrible and plays into mafias hands (no thinking voting). one day down. two to go. notice it was drh starting this up. would he RNG into his own teammate? ofc not and for pandain: i usually stfu unless i have something to say, i dont just contribute for the mental masturbation aspect of the game. when i decide it is time to affect the game, i make my moves and usually the games shift ;] if you can tell me how to scumhunt effectively on day 1 in a mafia game I'm all ears as to how | ||
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On October 24 2010 02:46 annul wrote: anything is better than RNG voting. literally, anything. any vote with any reason behind it is better than RNG voting. get people to chat its ez np though on forums it may be different, you can usually get d1 lynches with enough focus yeah it's way easier on irc there is reason behind RNG voting, because it starts discussion and then votes can be changed to votes with reason. the problem is on forum mafia there is no other way to start the discussion and without people talking, you can't scumhunt i know on mafiascum some players like doing a random questioning stage but it seems kinda pointless to me. that's why i like clues/elections, it makes day 1 meaningful | ||
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On October 24 2010 08:30 NB wrote: also, i did NOT make any statement on what medic should do, in fact i totally forgot that us townies has blue role and assumed everyone are greens and reds read the op, it's possible we have no blues at all | ||
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On October 24 2010 10:47 Coagulation wrote: im DT and im checking DOCH Medics plz save me 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Townies. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies. 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies. There is quite possibly not a medic in this game. You are an idiot for roleclaiming. | ||
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On October 24 2010 10:57 Coagulation wrote: DocH why are you so BM@me ? What the fuck did i ever do to you? seriously ? All you have done is talk shit to me. why would you roleclaim and depend on medic protection in a game where there is only a 25% chance of there being a medic/dt in the same game? if you're being aggressively stupid in the thread I'll call you out. i don't have anything against you but i have something against the way you play this game and it hurts the town, obviously it did since you got yourself killed by roleclaiming : / | ||
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On October 24 2010 11:00 Coagulation wrote: if there is not a medic i take a hit pandain is verify as green and lynch pops whatever it pops. you guys have good information to work with. sorry im an idiot for not being experienced at mafia. I play aggressively in mafia, don't take it personally. I hope you understand why you shouldn't have roleclaimed, that really has nothing to do with experienced, i just got the vibe that you didn't properly read the op or understand the way the game was constructed | ||
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On October 24 2010 14:07 BrownBear wrote: reading through the thread, I think it most likely that Dr H is mafia. He's been trying to play town against itself subtly, when you look at it. Vote: Dr Helvetica it'd be nice if you could point out how so I can tell you why you're wrong attacking a player giving them no room to defend themself is scummy bro | ||
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Sorry I can't really be too active today. I have a lot of shit to do I'm voting NB because he is scummy to me for the following reasons: 1. doesn't commit to his arguments 2. defense by way of attack 3. draws fake connections between players (mafia do this to either a. bus a scumbuddy to make themselves innocent, b. incriminate an innocent townie if a scumbuddy dies, c. put the FoS on 1/2 of a townie-townie alliance) 4. offers to get lynched (possible bus to save scumbuddy) | ||
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sorry drag_ | ||
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