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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 16 2010 20:50 GMT
#13
tentatively in - if im too busy i will have to /out
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2010 15:28 GMT
#313
Well Fishball far and away has the best platform, but that doesn't mean it's good.

As the town Anarchist i will not be voting for anybody. No gods! No masters!
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2010 18:58 GMT
#369
On October 30 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 00:28 Infundibulum wrote:
Well Fishball far and away has the best platform, but that doesn't mean it's good.

As the town Anarchist i will not be voting for anybody. No gods! No masters!

This post makes me curious. Are you roleclaiming as this "Anarchist", or is it just a bit of flavor you're adding to your character? From what I know, refraining from participating in an election brings the same result as not participating in a lynch (modkill), so are you saying your role allows you to avoid the consequences of not voting? And if THAT'S the case, what is that saying about your alignment in this game? For all I know, you could be some sort of third party with a separate win condition.

Please note that I'm not necessarily suspecting you of anything just yet; I'm simply curious as to what your post implies.


I wanted to play a character, but it looks like i'd be modkilled. I thought about playing it to the death but i guess that's stupid. I'll vote.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2010 19:09 GMT
#381
A key thing to consider for all those saying that FB could be lying about his circle:

He's still told us more about his place in the game than any other candidate. We know more about fishball than Pandain and Annul. Because FB has made claims, we can hold him accountable to those claims if it falls through after he is elected. Right now we have nothing to hold the other candidates to for being accountable, other than just playing pro-town.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 00:37 GMT
#575
I'd like to say that whoever is elected should consider lynching one of the other mayoral candidates. I find it more likely to hit a mafia among the candidates than one among inactive posters.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 00:45 GMT
#581
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.

Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.

Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 00:51 GMT
#589
On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.

Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.

Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment.


I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise.



read my last sentence

role != alignment

not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 01:04 GMT
#603
On October 30 2010 09:59 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 09:51 Infundibulum wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.

Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.

Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment.


I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise.



read my last sentence

role != alignment

not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives.

I've asked Artanis about this, and rolechecks return role name and alignment only. Does not include the details of the role pm, but critically does include alignment. If possible, I hope he can confirm this in thread.


Ohshit.

Very good, thanks for asking. I hadn't even considered that it would return alignment as well. DTs are a lot more powerful in this than I anticipated
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 20:24 GMT
#869
At this point it looks like Dr H will probably take the election.

I'm voting for bumatlarge in order to tighten up the race, since its hard to deduce anything from landslide elections. Bum never had a bandwagon either, which is some consolation.

At this point if Dr. H is elected, it's not a bad thing. If he's mafia, he's revealed so much about himself that it will be easy to catch a lie. If he's not mafia, then we don't have to worry about the possibility of a mafia mayor since rolechecks are awesome in this round.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 22:48 GMT
#975
I still think Dr H should choose to lynch Pandain, Fishball, or bumatlarge. I feel that we're more likely to hit a mafia from the group of candidates than the group of inactives.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 30 2010 23:12 GMT
#1008
On October 31 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:
@Infundibulum: Let a Detective investigate them.


this is true but a detective still needs to find an outlet for his information if he doesnt want to claim asap so we wouldn't know for a few cycles, in all likelihood
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 31 2010 02:05 GMT
#1141
On October 31 2010 10:18 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 10:15 infinitestory wrote:
On October 31 2010 10:13 Pandain wrote:
On October 31 2010 10:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled.
You are the Mafia Do-gooder! You never really wanted to be part of the mafia, but your dad just happened to be Al Capone so you were forced into it. Every day, you get an additional vote every day, but have to use it to vote on one of the mafia. If you are the only mafia left, you are relieved of this.





Haha wtf is this? Worst role ever, no?

Read it closely. Who received an Additional Mafia Vote today?

Does the Mafia Do-Gooder role's additional vote apply on Day 1 for the mayor election as well?


Consider that he never voted "legitimately", though. I'm not sure what's going on here... it's either a horrid mod screw-up (in which case I think we should be informed) or there's more than one role of that variety, perhaps one that has to vote town.


No, that doesn't make sense because a town variety doesn't know who his fellow townies are.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 31 2010 02:23 GMT
#1159
On October 31 2010 11:15 annul wrote:
HEY PEOPLE listen up

if you have an investigative role, you should consider using it on yourself night 1

this way, if for example you know youre blue DT and you check yourself and come back red, you know you are insane DT.


that isn't how insane DT's work.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 01 2010 18:53 GMT
#1862
On November 02 2010 03:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 03:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Is anyone willing to consider the possibility that mafia aren't the ones spreading the plague? A lot of people are operating the assumption that mafia are the ones spreading M-rus (as did I, originally interpreting 2+1 as 2 killers + 1 m-rus spreader) but we already know that's not the case since 3 die in a night and because of nodes role


I feel like the +1 kill may be something from the mods. Since Node "forsees" the death of one player each day, this could be controlled by Artanis. How it works, I have no idea. In Brownbear's death, it says he just dropped dead. Yes there could be some hints in the post, but this is the death that Node predicted.

I am not forgetting the possibility that Node is Mafia and knows who will die each day, but it seems that Brownbear just died, not that he was killed by anyone.


It's probably not exclusively from the mods because then theres no way to get rid of it. I imagine something like a mafia member whose ability is that a random townie dies each night, and Node foresees this.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 02 2010 17:28 GMT
#2137
On November 03 2010 00:21 Nemesis wrote:
Exactly. I thought we were supposed to lynch people for being SCUM, not for lying. This is a bit of a ridiculous policy. Why must it be one way or the other? We have to consider things case by case, not handle them all the same.


Lynch all Liars is a metagame policy that extends beyond just this round of mafia.

I still have trouble coming to terms with it because last game I was in LAL got a couple townies lynched. Because they lied and fucked up the town, and mafia pushed LAL on them.

Even so, as a long term policy LAL can and will discourage these lying plays on both sides, town and mafia and so it should be used.

As for Aeres, I'm guessing if lynched he's going to flip town. There's less of a motive for claiming BG as a mafia, since the purpose of claiming BG is to draw a hit and the mafia won't hit itself.

The other thing is mafia completely ignored 666's bodyguard softclaim, for whatever reason.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 02 2010 17:31 GMT
#2141
On November 03 2010 02:27 CubEdIn wrote:
So you don't think that the mafia knowing that I'm a doctor is a negative?
Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless.
I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor.

IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit.


His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 02 2010 18:00 GMT
#2145
On November 03 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 02:37 CubEdIn wrote:

@ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team.
You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks.

Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all.

And what part WASN'T from you?


I guess im stupid then.

With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red.

What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation


That doesn't make sense. So the only you thing you sent was "Be careful, he's red." ??

it doesn't make any sense out of context without the first sentence
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 02 2010 18:03 GMT
#2147
so what Glasse said and the Day post says differ by a word then.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 04 2010 08:13 GMT
#2868
Has Node claimed who will die today? Or does he not find out until after the lynch?
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 04 2010 08:14 GMT
#2869
Also the original plan (#1) is much safer. We shouldn't worry too much about losing one single hatter bomb.
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