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On November 02 2010 21:58 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote:
More of a role claim than slip i thought
i work at a radio What, so you the cat was you lol, that was a pretty random roleclaim. I'm thinking there's a pretty clear connection between Aeres and jcarl, namely that jcarl does not want to touch the Aeres thing at all while he goes and basically goes and points fingers at every other person. I mean, Aeres just said he 'can't post much because of schoolwork'. He's meant to be defending himself. My vote's going to stick with Aeres.
The main reason I don't want to touch the aeres issue is because I feel like it has been beaten into the ground far enough. It is clear that he should be seriously considered, but I'm also wondering if, through all the arguing, we have overlooked something big.
However, I did notice him saying he had a lot of school stuff and that seems very suspicious to me. It seems like he's just trying to duck out, and that might be what will convince me to vote for him.
Will consider it more after class.
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On November 02 2010 22:45 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 21:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 02 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote:On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
BLAARH BLAHBLAH BLARBBLAB LBLABLARBLAR
BLAHBLAH BLERP BLA BLARPLRAPRLBALERRR Dude... On November 02 2010 20:32 Glasse wrote:
I feel like you are red now because i'm obviously town.
And i can prove it. Oh really now? I'm interested. On November 02 2010 18:22 CubEdIn wrote:On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote:
Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though. Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not. Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well. I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that. What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along. Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect. I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick. I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not? I claimed about 7 hours into night 1, after DrH was elected. I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo.
Oh yes, I do remember that. Sorry.
As for LAL, I don't think it's a good general policy to have all the time. However, this was a massive lie that hurt way more than it helped. I believe aeres will be getting my vote.
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On November 02 2010 23:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me. On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too. If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run. And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it... In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them. Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information. So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example? On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies. ^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously. Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that. Why would blatant lying (and twice I should add) ever benefit the town when it clearly did nothing but cause chaos? It's like getting a pass for fucking with the town. If we allow it then mafia has one more escape route. It's not so much about the fact that we need to punish somebody for lying, but that now if we don't lynch him we will never know his true intentions. We'll be wondering and wondering why he is not getting hit night after night. The mafia knows he's not a bodyguard, but they know enough that he's going to be an asset for them to keep around later. He will be their scapegoat when the time comes. If he's mafia then we're just one lucky freaking town.
I agree that LAL should not be the end all be all of Mafia strategies, but in this case, I think we should lynch him for lying. Amber is right, if the Mafia sees that a liar is getting away with it, they can use that to their advantage. It has to be shown that lying will not be taken lightly.
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On November 03 2010 01:38 Glasse wrote:
Also just the fact that you think i'm red even more than before makes me think you are not the sharpest tool in the box. If i was red i would not have wasted the opportunity to cause chaos.
I agree with this.
Good to see you actually making constructive posts now Glasse =P
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On November 03 2010 02:10 L wrote:Show nested quote +I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo. You're holding someone back, because as far as it stands right now, its never the right choice to pick townie.
He didn't, he chose Doctor.
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On November 03 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 09:06 deconduo wrote:On November 03 2010 09:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.
unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely. I agree actually. As far as how I feel about this lynch I'm incredibly wary of YM and Aeres. I'm more afraid than ever that youngminii is a judas role. Judas = ? judas is a town role that becomes mafia when lynched, it is in opposition to saulus that is mafia and becomes town when lynched the other role I know that avoids its first lynch is "unlynchable"
I agree with you there Coag, youngminii and Ace definitely look fairly suspicious to me now. They pushed really hard to support LAL and get rid of him. On the upside, he did not lie about his Cruiseship Captain role, which was pretty much a self-preservation role, so we didn't lose anything TOO detrimental to the town.
@Dr.H: At least Judas isn't as dangerous to the town as Saulus is to the Mafia. Since there aren't PMs, I'm not sure he can tell them anything they don't already know.
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On November 03 2010 09:12 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.
unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely. I don't agree... Youngminii claimed soon after Fishball's death that he is the newest added member to the circle. Fishball's post also hinted that youngminii is possibly the newest member given youngminii's unwillingness to release he role. Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 14:17 Fishball wrote:
One last update before I go to sleep.
- We have 4 members in the circle now, including myself. We all know who each other are.
- 2 members have role claimed to me, which includes the new member.
- The last member finally replied, and have refused to role claim to me for now, explaining that he wants to play it safe for a while.
Good night. My conclusion is that Youngminii is the new member in the circle (the other two members of the circle can decide if they want to step up and prove Youngminii is indeed the newest member. I don't think the mod would be that evil and give the circle a mafia member after half of their circle got modkilled.
Well we don't know that the mods selected someone to be in the circle. It very well could have been RNG.
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On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.
I wouldn't necessarily say he's a clear cut townie, I would still feel a lot more comfortable if it is proven. However, I don't feel as worried about him being red as I do others.
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One huge thing I've been contemplating now that the Mafia PD is gone is that if/when M-itis explodes, it will likely take out a good chunk of Mafia as well, especially if they hit people or do their roles on people who are infected. This is definitely a huge plus for the town. Imagine that all of the remaining Mafia are infected once it blows, boom, Town Victory.
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On November 03 2010 09:53 infinitestory wrote:
Wait, guys.
Where the fuck was Mr. Additional Mafia Vote yesterday?
Did I miss it?
Oh shit, good catch. I wonder if it's necessary to use it.
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On November 03 2010 10:58 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 09:51 CubEdIn wrote:On November 03 2010 09:41 Nemesis wrote:On November 03 2010 09:21 Nemesis wrote:On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it. As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night: 1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard 2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched. 3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive. Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point. Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often.. Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too.
Well, this worries me and it doesn't. Assigning blue roles in thread isn't always the smartest thing (as I learned in Haunted) because then Mafia knows what's going on. Downside is we have no PMs, so we don't really have much choice.
One thing good that we will learn is whether or not the +1 Mafia KP can be protected against (as we are assuming this is what Node is predicting). I assume it probably can be, but it would definitely be nice to know for sure.
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On November 03 2010 11:40 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 11:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 03 2010 10:58 Nemesis wrote:On November 03 2010 09:51 CubEdIn wrote:On November 03 2010 09:41 Nemesis wrote:On November 03 2010 09:21 Nemesis wrote:On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it. As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night: 1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard 2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched. 3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive. Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point. Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often.. Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too. Well, this worries me and it doesn't. Assigning blue roles in thread isn't always the smartest thing (as I learned in Haunted) because then Mafia knows what's going on. Downside is we have no PMs, so we don't really have much choice. One thing good that we will learn is whether or not the +1 Mafia KP can be protected against (as we are assuming this is what Node is predicting). I assume it probably can be, but it would definitely be nice to know for sure. I agree that saying your a blue role in this thread is a really bad move, maybe because they may be lying and trying to get the heat off them. Correct? It may not be necessary and asking someone to role claim and then making them use their ability to actually say that they're the real deal. Sorry just wondering can you use your ability once per day or once.
That depends on the role, some can be used every day, some can be use only a finite number of times.
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On November 03 2010 11:42 KtheZ wrote:
Beneather, correct me if im wrong, but isnt EVERYONE a "blue role"?
This is correct, save the Mafia roles.
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On November 03 2010 11:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Explanation to everyone regarding plague doctors, since one has died:
(Plague) Doctors are not immune to Murrayitis, but will be notified of their infection. Every night, they may protect one person. If he does not have murrayitis, he will be immunized. If he does, he will just be cured. Plague Doctors may cure themselves, but can not become immune to Murrayitis. If (plague) doctors visit a patient with murrayitis AND that person has a hit on him, both the target and the doctor will die.
Oh this is very interesting, be careful Plague Doctors! Also, I take from this that there are more PDs in the game still.
I assume when you say "(Plague" Doctors), it is to imply that Doctors are also not immune to M-itis?
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EBWOP:
"(Plague) Doctors"*
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On November 03 2010 11:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 11:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Once this game is over I'm gonna find someone to teach me how to do analysis posts because I don't know how to quote everything I want to but I said I'd take a closer look at bumatlarge and I feel like I found some good stuff. Ive seen divine around that fucking lurker, feel free to bandwagon him. Divine voted for me as mayor  This is before and after the night post. Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.
I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.
Maybe he hasn't been paying attention but Doc is definetly not a clearer townie And would it be selfish or scummy to ask for that vaccine if it hasnt already been dished out?  Role Fishing maybe? He makes a list of players and their actions but it's not really anything new, it feels like he's scum trying to act like town. He posts a lot of small, rather irelevent posts that make him look active but are actually pretty substanceless. Investigate me all the way, but i suggest if we have a PD to make sure i dont start spreading AIDS everywhere.
My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me. Is this his power? Why haven't we heard more about it? It's been long enough for him to use it. He makes a couple apologies for being inactive
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
Here's his reason for voting for our dear mayor. I did not withdraw my candidacy, I merely stated that fishball's plan was similar to mine, and if alot of the town thought him the better candidate I would not have a problem, but after reading into it and stating my opinions, I still want to be mayor, because
1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening.
2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas.
3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red)
Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working.
Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it?
This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions. Someone help me out, what does he mean by this post? He can make body guards? I am not in Fishball's circle. I have an ability to form a town circle of my choosing. I already choose my first person.
I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on.
It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him. Here's where he first talks about his role, a role easily faked by scum (like fishballs but fishball was proved innocent and I think that makes it even more likely the bum is lying). SHIT I have to go but I'm gonna post this anyway... I'll be back. bumatlarge isn't scum
...care to elaborate Doc? lol
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On November 03 2010 12:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh, sure. He inducted me into his PM circle.
He already roleclaimed so I guess he shouldn't mind me claiming it and I doubt it's gonna make me any more of a target than I already am.
I see, good to know.
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On November 03 2010 12:56 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 12:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
DrH, please clarify. Your role is stick and not doctor right? DrH's roleclaim is: Blue Sticky You can poke someone every night. If you're not roleblocked and: 1) the target doesn't have Murrayitis, the poke goes through. DrH receives no PM, but the target receives a PM saying he was poked by DrH 2) the target does have Murrayitis, the poke fails. DrH receives a PM saying it failed, but the target receives no PM. that's my understanding, anyway
And he is immune to M-itis.
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On November 03 2010 21:52 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 20:42 CubEdIn wrote:On November 03 2010 19:14 Ace wrote:
Not being able to PM is standard Mafia. PMing is weak and kills the game. Learn how to scumhunt, thx. Right, you seem to be doing a might good job. Please point us to the next innocent bystander that looks odd to you. you're barking up the wrong tree... would advise to back off and never do it again...
Well this seems rather foreboding now doesn't it?
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On November 03 2010 22:27 Ace wrote:
yo Cubicle I got a question.
Aeres claims bodyguard and Cruiseship Captain.
How can he draw a scum hit if he won't even be there?
rofl
Well a scum hit ordered on someone who's not there would result in a wasted Mafia KP, wouldn't it?
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