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On November 04 2010 11:01 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:59 Pandain wrote:If I die, FoS on KtheZ for pushing me so hard with illogical reasons. At least Dr. H has had decent ones.... On November 04 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if a vig hits pandain we might have better information for our double lynch :O What illogical reasons? I simply ask why it took you so long to roleclaim and why your roleclaim clearly overlaps with a previously claimed role. and what does FoS mean :/
Because roleclaiming was plainly idiotic. It's not like I'm going to claim "Hey mafia, I have a role where I can find out people's alignments!"
Also infinite has a good point with the doctor/plague doctor(town does have both fyi)
FoS=finger of suspicion.
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On November 04 2010 11:05 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 11:02 Pandain wrote:On November 04 2010 11:01 KtheZ wrote:On November 04 2010 10:59 Pandain wrote:If I die, FoS on KtheZ for pushing me so hard with illogical reasons. At least Dr. H has had decent ones.... On November 04 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if a vig hits pandain we might have better information for our double lynch :O What illogical reasons? I simply ask why it took you so long to roleclaim and why your roleclaim clearly overlaps with a previously claimed role. and what does FoS mean :/ Because roleclaiming was plainly idiotic. It's not like I'm going to claim "Hey mafia, I have a role where I can find out people's alignments!" Also infinite has a good point with the doctor/plague doctor(town does have both fyi) FoS=finger of suspicion. Note that mafia also had their own plague doctor, so there may be role-checkers for the mafia also. So the standings right now is that you claim to be Garbage collector, and your results have turned up OBVIOUSLY unconfirmable results (who in their right mind would say "I'm not safe omg")
That's why I said I can't confirm myself now. I've only revealed because you guys were going to lynch me :/
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On November 04 2010 11:09 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 04 2010 11:05 KtheZ wrote:On November 04 2010 11:02 Pandain wrote:On November 04 2010 11:01 KtheZ wrote:On November 04 2010 10:59 Pandain wrote:If I die, FoS on KtheZ for pushing me so hard with illogical reasons. At least Dr. H has had decent ones.... On November 04 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if a vig hits pandain we might have better information for our double lynch :O What illogical reasons? I simply ask why it took you so long to roleclaim and why your roleclaim clearly overlaps with a previously claimed role. and what does FoS mean :/ Because roleclaiming was plainly idiotic. It's not like I'm going to claim "Hey mafia, I have a role where I can find out people's alignments!" Also infinite has a good point with the doctor/plague doctor(town does have both fyi) FoS=finger of suspicion. Note that mafia also had their own plague doctor, so there may be role-checkers for the mafia also. So the standings right now is that you claim to be Garbage collector, and your results have turned up OBVIOUSLY unconfirmable results (who in their right mind would say "I'm not safe omg") mafia doesnt need an alignment checker since mafia know everybodies alignment I noticed, which is why I think hes lying about his role/role action
So you think i'm mafia, because I claimed a role which you think mafia wouldn't have.
Circular reasoning ftw.
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On November 04 2010 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
the fact that its random makes it REALLY dumb for him to say he can indirectly confirm it since he has to rely on RNG'ing a mafia
it's also convenient that he happened to clear infinitestory and nemesis with his RNG'd alignment checks, two players i felt strongly would be mafia if pandain was also red
I dont' see how its indirectly confirm it. I mean, at the start there were 9 mafia and 30 mafia.
That's basically a 9/39 chance, or 3/11 chance I can confirm myself each day. so by the second day it was more likely than not I could find mafia than not.
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wow that came out wrong
EBWOP
"I don't see how its dumb saying i could indirectly confirm it" was the gist i was saying
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On November 04 2010 11:28 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 11:22 Coagulation wrote:
NO AMOUNT OF FLINGED BOOGERS CAN SAVE ME NOW. WTF, if what you are saying is true (we know after the lynch with your role pm), then GG pandain. Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote
Cept coag would've stopped that "mafia vote" day 1 and mine day 2
darn you coag...
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omfg edit that out
ahhh
CANNOT BE UNSEEN
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mmm seems like I'm dead either way :/
Node, who is going to die tonight?
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If you guys DT check me does that give me enough credibility to at least live to get another day's worth of info?
Or is the threat of a possible godfather too great to risk coag's stance towards me.
I honestly can't explain coag, my only explanation is he's bussing everyone but that's evidently not the case :/
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On November 05 2010 11:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
Pandain, I was expecting you to make some kind of response post to everyone that are suspicious of you, but you didn't. Before day3, you are one of the most active poster and one of the best analyzer in the thread. You were battling with DrH head to head and never shown weakness. It is not like you to not counter argue the suspicions pointing at you unless you are contented with Coag being lynched today and you die at a later time. Coag, a very aggressive poster, also seem wanting to protect you by not doing what he can to label you are a better lynch than him. It really makes me believe that you are highly likely to be a mafia and that your group is ok that Coag instead of you to be lynched today.
I hope I am not too late to make this post. I beg that those who didn't vote for Pandain to really consider what I state above. If that make sense to you, please change your vote to Pandain.
Except now there isn't really anythign I can do. Right now I'm getting voted because of coag, and some people may say because I pushed Dr. H but I stand by my reasons there. I can't explain coagulaiton, I can't.
I can't prove myself with what I have unless you believe me that I did check infinite and nemesis and that they were both innocent. But there's nothing I can do.
I am upset that I am getting lynched when we have a 100% mafia, but then again DXCVII has a bomb on coag so we don't want to waste that.
My only defense is that you guys look at my posts(you guys never actually analyzed me :/). And I have firm conviction that you will see I did what I thought, that I have played pro town(even if I was wrong.) The only real argument against me is that coag supported me, and coag is confirmed mafia.
I would plead with the town to let me stay another night to at least get one more check, so then when I turn blue you guys have even more information. So I guess, I do have somewhat an idea:
1.We lynch someone else(I would say nemesis cause that would slightly confirm me but I don't want a blue lynched so I suppose another person.) DXCVII move his other bomb to me. Then next day, we can lynch DXCVII and the two bombs go off on me and coag. But at least I'll get another piece of information for ya'll.
Do MH bombs go off when they get lynched?
Also, if I do die, please look at the people who are accusing me with horrid reasoning(KtheZ for instance, or even youngminii, albeit again keep in mind if he does have an unlynchable role that would be pretty op for mafia. But then again, we don't even know his role :/)
If MH
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Also I suppose I'll do one last big analysis of my thoughts before I(possibly) get lynched. I'll mainly be focusing on the players who voted for me(since this is like the perfect opportunity for mafia to jump on me.)
Also what to do after I get lynched(of course free to debate0.
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Also, I want to see some real reasons why people think I'm scum, other than the fact that coag supported me.
I don't see how that makes me 75% mafia either.
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On November 06 2010 01:09 youngminii wrote:
You do have a point there Pandain, the only reason I voted for you was because of a little (maybe a bit more than little) scumminess I got from your posts and the fact that Coag supported you so much. DrH probably did play that up a bit much but I honestly can't think of a better person to lynch besides you (and Coag obv.). I'd love to hear what you think about Coag's adamant defense of you though, if you haven't already said so.
I'll take a more specific look into it specifically, but I do remember Coag actually supporting me with my mayoral election.
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On November 06 2010 01:13 youngminii wrote:
That's the point, isn't it? He supported you a lot and he's (most likely) scum.
He is scum. Infinite checked him, and I checked infinite, so unless he is high coag is scum. Also the fact that coag is playing so weirdly since he got found out and even used his powers.
I don't have a real explanation of that(I'll see just how much he supported me), which is why I'm just sort of lost now. But what I do think is I shouldn't get lynched because of coag.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2010 04:01 LunarDestiny wrote:To me, it seems that the mafia is comfortable letting Coag die. This makes me feel that Pandain got a very valuable role and his ability can be put to great effect tonight. Also, mafia may see Coag's role as a mafia retard is a liability and may hurt them in the future. Then there are these mod posts: Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. Pretty sure that this is Coag's ability Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying. ~75% sure that Pandain is a mafia and Coag used his ability to nullify Pandain's vote. Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 11:37 Coagulation wrote:
As a last act of defiance I loaded up my finger with my carefully harvested ammunition and took aim at doch. but it was too sticky and clung to my finger upon my attempted firring.
so i began to shake my hand vigorously to remove it
and in true retard fashion projected it into my own eye. This is Coag's post. He used his ability on himself. Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 13:05 LSB wrote:
If you have any day actions please PM me
Pandain (11)
KtheZ
Hyperbola
Beneather
Youngminii
Kenpachi
DoctorH (2)
Infun
DCLXVI
Meapak_Ziphh
Coagulation
Lunardestiny
Coagulation (10)
Infinistory
Node
Nemisis
Ace
Deconduo
Pandain
Vedril
NB
ROL
Kitman
DocH (1)
Glasse
Hyperbola (1)
Amber[Light]
Double Lynch has passed, unless you guys start unvoting it I'm going to skip keeping track now
Lexpar, L, and kitman27 still need to vote This is very weird. It seemed that Coag somehow voted and his vote was canceled out. This is what I predict Coag's role ability is: - During day, he has to use his ability on one of his mafia member (including himself) and their vote will be nullify. - His way of voting is not conventional. The vote his cast on the voting thread does not count. To cast his legit vote, he has to pm the mod. So then, who should be lynched? Coag is like a dead weight to the mafia, his only contribution is bumping their number up by 1 for KP calculation. What do we do with Pandain if Coag is lynched today? Is a guarantee lynch tomorrow or should a dt check on him? We also run the danger of letting Pandain use his ability which may be very bad for town. There is a big WHAT IF in Pandain's case. There is an alternative and I want people's opinion on it. We could Pandain's word and use his ability for town. If a dt checks on him, out came RED, we lynch him. If a dt checks on him, out came Blue, then he is proven innocent. Assuming that he is Blue and didn't fake role claimed. It is possible his role ability can be of some help. We can discuss who he should check. This way, the dt check we used on him will be replaced by Pandain's check on that suspect we agreed on. This alternative eliminate the chance that Pandain being blue and we lynch the wrong target. The dt check on him isn't wasted. The lynch on him isn't wasted. The possibly we losing Pandain as blue role is eliminated.
there are several things wrong with this, and some assumptions you make.
- During day, he has to use his ability on one of his mafia member (including himself) and their vote will be nullify.
- His way of voting is not conventional. The vote his cast on the voting thread does not count. To cast his legit vote, he has to pm the mod.
iirc coag did vote during day 2. Also, during day 1 when would he have used this ability?
We also run the danger of letting Pandain use his ability which may be very bad for town.
You assume I am mafia, and have a very powerful role because of this.
I am welcome to a DT to check me, if they can. But from my understanding of the game so far(based on my role and Infinite's), there may not be a DT who can actually check someone who he wishes to check.
Which is why I'm saying that if town is dead set on lynching me and there's nothing I can do, they might as well lynch DXCVII tommorow, when he can't be roleblocked(very likely since Dr. H was telling the truth)
But again, I'd like to hear more reasons why I'm being called mafia besides coag.
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OMFG IM A LURKER
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On November 06 2010 04:36 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 04:19 Pandain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2010 04:01 LunarDestiny wrote:To me, it seems that the mafia is comfortable letting Coag die. This makes me feel that Pandain got a very valuable role and his ability can be put to great effect tonight. Also, mafia may see Coag's role as a mafia retard is a liability and may hurt them in the future. Then there are these mod posts: Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. Pretty sure that this is Coag's ability Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying. ~75% sure that Pandain is a mafia and Coag used his ability to nullify Pandain's vote. Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 11:37 Coagulation wrote:
As a last act of defiance I loaded up my finger with my carefully harvested ammunition and took aim at doch. but it was too sticky and clung to my finger upon my attempted firring.
so i began to shake my hand vigorously to remove it
and in true retard fashion projected it into my own eye. This is Coag's post. He used his ability on himself. Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 13:05 LSB wrote:
If you have any day actions please PM me
Pandain (11)
KtheZ
Hyperbola
Beneather
Youngminii
Kenpachi
DoctorH (2)
Infun
DCLXVI
Meapak_Ziphh
Coagulation
Lunardestiny
Coagulation (10)
Infinistory
Node
Nemisis
Ace
Deconduo
Pandain
Vedril
NB
ROL
Kitman
DocH (1)
Glasse
Hyperbola (1)
Amber[Light]
Double Lynch has passed, unless you guys start unvoting it I'm going to skip keeping track now
Lexpar, L, and kitman27 still need to vote This is very weird. It seemed that Coag somehow voted and his vote was canceled out. This is what I predict Coag's role ability is: - During day, he has to use his ability on one of his mafia member (including himself) and their vote will be nullify. - His way of voting is not conventional. The vote his cast on the voting thread does not count. To cast his legit vote, he has to pm the mod. So then, who should be lynched? Coag is like a dead weight to the mafia, his only contribution is bumping their number up by 1 for KP calculation. What do we do with Pandain if Coag is lynched today? Is a guarantee lynch tomorrow or should a dt check on him? We also run the danger of letting Pandain use his ability which may be very bad for town. There is a big WHAT IF in Pandain's case. There is an alternative and I want people's opinion on it. We could Pandain's word and use his ability for town. If a dt checks on him, out came RED, we lynch him. If a dt checks on him, out came Blue, then he is proven innocent. Assuming that he is Blue and didn't fake role claimed. It is possible his role ability can be of some help. We can discuss who he should check. This way, the dt check we used on him will be replaced by Pandain's check on that suspect we agreed on. This alternative eliminate the chance that Pandain being blue and we lynch the wrong target. The dt check on him isn't wasted. The lynch on him isn't wasted. The possibly we losing Pandain as blue role is eliminated. there are several things wrong with this, and some assumptions you make. - During day, he has to use his ability on one of his mafia member (including himself) and their vote will be nullify.
- His way of voting is not conventional. The vote his cast on the voting thread does not count. To cast his legit vote, he has to pm the mod. iirc coag did vote during day 2. Also, during day 1 when would he have used this ability? We also run the danger of letting Pandain use his ability which may be very bad for town. You assume I am mafia, and have a very powerful role because of this. I am welcome to a DT to check me, if they can. But from my understanding of the game so far(based on my role and Infinite's), there may not be a DT who can actually check someone who he wishes to check. Which is why I'm saying that if town is dead set on lynching me and there's nothing I can do, they might as well lynch DXCVII tommorow, when he can't be roleblocked(very likely since Dr. H was telling the truth) But again, I'd like to hear more reasons why I'm being called mafia besides coag. Actually, there are not a lot of strong reasons that say you are mafia. !)Even with close voting, the mafia seems content of letting Coag die. 2)You just gave after you are accused of being mafia. 3)If you are mafia, your ability might hurt town(I know this is a IF->MIGHT double assumption). I believe there are other reasons that people pointed out earlier in the thread, but these are the reasons I am basing on when making my decision.
1.Ya, how are there signs mafia are content letting him die.
2. Mostly because I was seriously stumped. I didn't know what to say. It's like theres a confirmed DT who checks you, and say your red, when your actually a townie.
3.Yes, its a gigantic assumption.
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On November 06 2010 04:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
probably because no one is bothering to defend coagulation
that says mafia are content letting him die
Well someone arguing for a confirmed mafia might be suspicious, eh?
Just a little...
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On November 06 2010 04:48 LunarDestiny wrote:
So Pandain, what can be done to prove your innocence on day 4 when you have to be of a less desirable lynch than 2 people?
Or you want to die a glorify death. When you die turns out blue, that we can confirm Infinitestory, Nemesis, and 1 other person's (who you check tonight) alignments?
So Pandain, what can be done to prove your innocence on day 4 when you have to be of a less desirable lynch than 2 people?
?????????????????????????????????????? What do you mean by that.
But yes, if on the chance that I DO end up getting lynched by town, I want to at least give you guys another confirmed townie/mafia.
But actually I'm starting to realize that coag bussing me doesn't incriminate me, since mafia do that all the time with townies.
But again, I can really only confirm myself if:
1.There's a dt who can use his powers on THE PERSON HE WANTS(not just random.)
2.I find mafia.
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On November 06 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just to be clear I don't buy this shit Pandain. You get raped by DrH who sees the connection between you and Coagulation and all of a sudden you claim Trash Collector?
Trash Collector? Really? Was there ever an easier mafia cover? The role that randomly alignment checks people. Pretty easy to fake when you know that there are two alignments and you know all the reds. Its the most convenient role to possibly claim, as far as I am concerned that combined with your desire for a check you are most likely the godfather. I would do an analysis but there was an awesome one by DrH a few pages back, but I don't think anyone pointed out how the role you claimed fits perfectly in with mafia.
I would usually hesitate to kill a potential DT for our side but in this case I would make an exception just because of how overwhelming the evidence is. Unless something crazy happens it is really looking like you and hyperbola are up next to get the axe.
Also did anyone find it funny that hyperbola was apparently inactive for 2 days then as soon as he is accused was right there to defend himself? It reaks of lurking which is generally a mafia or blue trait. In this case since everyone is blue, i'd dare say that would make the choice obvious.
Ya, because faking trash collector is definitely what mafia are going to do, I mean, trash collector is like the most used role eva'!
Also, this post makes one vital assumption:
I am mafia.
I hate how everyone is saying stuff because they think I'm mafia when really give no reasons why(other than the obvious coag)
You say because I want to be checked I'm godfather, when really I just want there to be more proof I'm town.
You say you would hate to kill a DT because there's so much "overwhelming evidence" yet fail to say what the evidence is despite your claim "it's easy to mafia to fake." Still means its a role, still means its useful for our side, and basically saying that BECAUSE this is a role that THEORETICALY would be possible for mafia to fake that THEREFORE I AM mafia.
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