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On November 01 2010 14:50 youngminii wrote:
I cannot think of these situations you refer to but I'm about a hundred percent sure that a softclaim that was vague at best (which turned out to not be a claim) at basically the beginning of the game does not warrant a roleclaim that not only claims the bodyguard role but an extra Cruiseship Captain role.
Oh, let's not forget the fact that he said that the mods lied about the number of bodyguard roles too.
I do not want to be involved in this Aeres debate, I was just stating my opinions.
If you can soak up a hit, or diverse a hit through lies, depending on the situation, it would be worth it. That's why I said I can understand his motives, but I did not say I agreed with what he did. Like mentioned, it depends on the scenario.
To be fair, a bunch of you said "mods have lied could still be lying" quite a few times, so it's not surprising that Aeres would use such an argument.
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Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy.
I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this.
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On November 01 2010 15:07 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 15:04 Fishball wrote:
Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy.
I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this. TBH I think I might have started it, based on the fact that orgolove's role PM said he had a 10% chance to kill his target but it was actually 0%. However, I've also stated multiple times that Artanis wouldn't like about something that consequential, like the number of bodyguards. That would make the game far too hard.
I should clarify this.
You obviously knew better, and explained with reason after wards like you said. But it is very possible that other players would use this opportunity, and add the "mods might be lying" element into the mix of debate and arguments. This would definitely complicate things a lot and cause a lot of confusion.
These are the people we want to look at.
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On November 01 2010 15:08 youngminii wrote:
Someone was killed with the role of ADD Doctor, which stated that you had a 10% chance of killing the patient if he wasn't being hit (or something like that). After the death, Artanis stated that the 10% chance was a lie and he would never have actually killed anyone.
This tells us there are small, gay lies but no outright ones.
You're not getting the point.
Reread my original post, the post above, and infinitestory.
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On November 01 2010 15:23 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 15:12 Fishball wrote:On November 01 2010 15:07 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 15:04 Fishball wrote:
Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy.
I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this. TBH I think I might have started it, based on the fact that orgolove's role PM said he had a 10% chance to kill his target but it was actually 0%. However, I've also stated multiple times that Artanis wouldn't like about something that consequential, like the number of bodyguards. That would make the game far too hard. I should clarify this. You obviously knew better, and explained with reason after wards like you said. But it is very possible that other players would use this opportunity, and add the "mods might be lying" element into the mix of debate and arguments. This would definitely complicate things a lot and cause a lot of confusion. These are the people we want to look at. I did a backtrace, and it seems nobody really considered that the mods would lie blatantly until Aeres made his roleclaim. At that point, several people start saying that the mods threw orgolove a curveball, now Aeres claims the mods are lying, what next? Since Aeres has said his claim is fake, we should now put aside the assumption that the mods lie in a manner that would significantly affect gameplay, and perhaps along with it the assumption that there is more than one bodyguard.
On November 01 2010 15:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It was really Aeres who came out first and said "mods lied"
since he said straight up "mods lied"
You don't have to come out and say "the mods are lying" to cause confusion. Just by bringing it up, saying "the mods could be lying", will have the same affect. Yet again, I can understand why legitimate townie players would bring up this possibility due to the scenario mentioned. We would never know who's abusing this exploit and who isn't.
I guess its fair to say, I have certain players marked, but nothing is concrete yet.
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On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote:
regarding youngminii
this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.
If you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll notice youngminii was actually pro-DH when DH was arguing with Pandain. I haven't brought this up explicitly, but since you're already talking about him, I might as well add in.
On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me.
I know I'm quoting out of context, but to me, this is a big no-no, and I would never say something like that.
On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote:
This is Radio LOONY!
With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3
RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Come to think of it, have anyone ever though of the possible link between Radio LOONY and Glasse? I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face, but it was him posting in the haunted thread that reminded me and ring the bell.
On November 01 2010 20:43 Glasse wrote:
I say useful stuff once in a while
im like 3 faced
1/3 normal cat
1/3 crazy cat
1/3 serious cat
Regardless of Glasse's role/alignment, I just can't seem to ignore this possible link.
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On November 01 2010 20:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. I have the power to confirm my role to another player. Obviously there is the possibility that this role can be disrupted by other roles or that the person who I confirm to could lie about it. Both are possible. There is also a possibility my role is insane in some way but there is nothing in my role PM to make me believe that and Artanis alluded to the fact that if a role was indeed deceptive in some way that there would be some sort of clue within the role description itself.
I haven't said much yet, but I might as well clarify it here.
I don't buy it.
On November 01 2010 19:07 CubEdIn wrote:
Alright, this game is giving me a headache.
To everyone who passes by, please read this post. It's the best I can do to contribute.
Events
- DrH failed to prove himself, not the most horrible thing that could happen but pretty bad.
- Unless he pokes someone, and THAT someone is uninfected AND gets a message that he has been poked by Dr.H we cannot confirm that he's blue.
If mr.sticky is contaminating people, then we're not going to be able to figure out if dr.H is blue or not. But if he can just "check" blues for contamination, then we can assume that he is (since, supposedly, Mafia already knows who is infected and who is not).
Seems like some players are misunderstanding this scenario.
We can only prove DH's role ability, but that does not necessarily make him "blue" or town. Mafia can very well have this "Sticky" role too.
The only way we can confirm DH's alignment, is if we can prove his poking ability, to prove he is not God Father, and have an alignment DT, if this role exist, check him.
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On November 01 2010 22:44 Glasse wrote:
quoting other unrelated thread = irrelevant
Do you read?
On November 01 2010 22:40 Fishball wrote:
I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face
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On November 01 2010 22:57 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:55 Fishball wrote:On November 01 2010 22:44 Glasse wrote:
quoting other unrelated thread = irrelevant Do you read? On November 01 2010 22:40 Fishball wrote:
I do recall him mentioning cats a few times in this thread, and using the ":3" face
Do YOU read? He quoted my post in "about haunted mafia" thread I'm not denying i used cat references and faces in this thread. :3
Who is HE? That was me.
Re-read my post again.
I said it was reading the Haunted thread that reminded me of all your cat references IN THIS THREAD. Even if you take out my quote from the Haunted thread, it still doesn't mean the cat references and the :3 face you've made IN THIS THREAD does not link.
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On November 01 2010 23:08 Glasse wrote:
what i mean is just saying it without having to quote another thread would of been fine.
Then that's your own personal opinion.
It doesn't change what I'm trying to point out.
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On November 02 2010 03:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.
But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple.
Oh, the paradox.
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On November 02 2010 08:38 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 06:17 bumatlarge wrote:I'm going to make a brief player summary list. Nothing fancy, please quote to add FACTS not opinions. I'm doing this from memory just to help myself remember exactly what concrete things have happened. + Show Spoiler +1. DoctorHelvetica - Mayor. Claims role checks for virus, used on jcarl night1, no results.
2. Hyperbola -
3. Bumatlarge - Claims he can add a person to be a personal mason each day. Ran for mayor
4. Veldril
5. Pandain - Ran for mayor. At odds with Dr. H?
6. Aeres - Claimed BG and captain role that lets hi leave at night with restrictions. Says the BG claim was a lie.
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
9. annul Bullet Bill / Bodyguard - Mayor candidate, real BG, if there is only 1.
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221 RebirthOfLegend
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
17. QuickStriker Angsty Pardoner - Result of +1 kp of mafia? (node oracle)
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
20. SiNiquity Self-Conscious Vigilante
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
24. ShmotZ Mafia Do-Gooder - never used vote, part of fishball circle
25. Orgolove ADD Doctor - modkilled, fishball circle
26. Node - Claims oracle, can see where +1 mafia kp will strike
27. youngminii
28. jcarlsoniv - claims he was never poked by Dr. H
29. BrownBear Vote Rigger
30. Infinitestory
31. Masq L
32. NB
33. Meeple Glasse
34. Misder
35. kingjames01 Self-Conscious Lazy Vigilante
36. Ace
37. Fishball - Is in confirmed (orgolove) circle of 6. Only 3 remain. Claims he can determine alignment of his circle.
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny
24 of 30 Town-aligned roles remaining
8 of 9 Mafia-aligned roles remaining
1 BG
Murraytis spreads to visitors and visitees. 3 People infected.
Radio Loony lets a message be sent by some player. So lazy that I use this chart as reference... According to the chart, ShmotZ and Orgolove are part of Fishball's circle. But according to the role pm given after their death, there is no mentioning for any circle whatsoever. Orgolove the ADD Doctor is now dead.Show nested quote +You are the ADD Doctor! Once per night, you may PM me the person you want to save that night. However, if the person doesn't get hit at night, you get an ADD attack and have a 10% chance of killing him yourself, so be careful! You are not allowed to protect yourself, as you are paranoid that you might kill yourself. Furthermore, given the recent spreading of Murrayitis, you have trained yourself in being able to cure a person from this plague. ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled. Show nested quote +You are the Mafia Do-gooder! You never really wanted to be part of the mafia, but your dad just happened to be Al Capone so you were forced into it. Every day, you get an additional vote every day, but have to use it to vote on one of the mafia. If you are the only mafia left, you are relieved of this.
Some corrections I want to point out on your list.
- QS was in my circle too.
- Woah, I never said I can determine the "alignment" of my circle. I've mentioned my role was a simple one, and Orgolove's last post already brought up the fact that my role isn't even an investigative role. Any investigation made, is just by pure "conversation".
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On November 02 2010 07:44 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 07:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Look over day 2 post again. 3 people are infected... The logical reason is mafia targeted someone and that person came in contact with 2 others. I question who that person could be. On October 29 2010 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 29 2010 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Does the person with murrayitis know they have murrayitis? With the exception of any doctor role, players will not be informed if they have murrayitis. As of now, no one claims to have the disease so I assume that no doctor has the disease. If DrH is telling the truth about his poking ability and his doctor role. He couldn't have the disease and the disease never transferred to another person. Then who the mafia targeted with the disease and who the disease spread to. We have to figure this out soon or the game will end at an exponential rate. My guess is that it's someone who stood out in day1 excluding DrH. fishball because he has contact with a circle would be the most logical assumption
If you take out the fact that three players are in the same circle, I actually did not have any "direct" contact to the other two. At the very least, not from my end.
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On November 02 2010 08:38 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 06:17 bumatlarge wrote:I'm going to make a brief player summary list. Nothing fancy, please quote to add FACTS not opinions. I'm doing this from memory just to help myself remember exactly what concrete things have happened. + Show Spoiler +1. DoctorHelvetica - Mayor. Claims role checks for virus, used on jcarl night1, no results.
2. Hyperbola -
3. Bumatlarge - Claims he can add a person to be a personal mason each day. Ran for mayor
4. Veldril
5. Pandain - Ran for mayor. At odds with Dr. H?
6. Aeres - Claimed BG and captain role that lets hi leave at night with restrictions. Says the BG claim was a lie.
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
9. annul Bullet Bill / Bodyguard - Mayor candidate, real BG, if there is only 1.
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221 RebirthOfLegend
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
17. QuickStriker Angsty Pardoner - Result of +1 kp of mafia? (node oracle)
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
20. SiNiquity Self-Conscious Vigilante
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
24. ShmotZ Mafia Do-Gooder - never used vote, part of fishball circle
25. Orgolove ADD Doctor - modkilled, fishball circle
26. Node - Claims oracle, can see where +1 mafia kp will strike
27. youngminii
28. jcarlsoniv - claims he was never poked by Dr. H
29. BrownBear Vote Rigger
30. Infinitestory
31. Masq L
32. NB
33. Meeple Glasse
34. Misder
35. kingjames01 Self-Conscious Lazy Vigilante
36. Ace
37. Fishball - Is in confirmed (orgolove) circle of 6. Only 3 remain. Claims he can determine alignment of his circle.
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny
24 of 30 Town-aligned roles remaining
8 of 9 Mafia-aligned roles remaining
1 BG
Murraytis spreads to visitors and visitees. 3 People infected.
Radio Loony lets a message be sent by some player. So lazy that I use this chart as reference... According to the chart, ShmotZ and Orgolove are part of Fishball's circle. But according to the role pm given after their death, there is no mentioning for any circle whatsoever. Orgolove the ADD Doctor is now dead.Show nested quote +You are the ADD Doctor! Once per night, you may PM me the person you want to save that night. However, if the person doesn't get hit at night, you get an ADD attack and have a 10% chance of killing him yourself, so be careful! You are not allowed to protect yourself, as you are paranoid that you might kill yourself. Furthermore, given the recent spreading of Murrayitis, you have trained yourself in being able to cure a person from this plague. ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled. Show nested quote +You are the Mafia Do-gooder! You never really wanted to be part of the mafia, but your dad just happened to be Al Capone so you were forced into it. Every day, you get an additional vote every day, but have to use it to vote on one of the mafia. If you are the only mafia left, you are relieved of this.
Once again, I repeat, QS was in the circle too.
6 total - 3 dead = 3 remaining, ok  ?
Speaking of which, the 3rd member still have not replied to my PM regarding a request for a role claim. He just flat out did not reply to me.
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On November 02 2010 09:16 Pandain wrote:
happy birthday fishball
Also, dr. H, why must you post so very very much
Thanks. Getting too old ;(
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On November 02 2010 09:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 09:18 Fishball wrote:On November 02 2010 08:38 LunarDestiny wrote:On November 02 2010 06:17 bumatlarge wrote:I'm going to make a brief player summary list. Nothing fancy, please quote to add FACTS not opinions. I'm doing this from memory just to help myself remember exactly what concrete things have happened. + Show Spoiler +1. DoctorHelvetica - Mayor. Claims role checks for virus, used on jcarl night1, no results.
2. Hyperbola -
3. Bumatlarge - Claims he can add a person to be a personal mason each day. Ran for mayor
4. Veldril
5. Pandain - Ran for mayor. At odds with Dr. H?
6. Aeres - Claimed BG and captain role that lets hi leave at night with restrictions. Says the BG claim was a lie.
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
9. annul Bullet Bill / Bodyguard - Mayor candidate, real BG, if there is only 1.
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221 RebirthOfLegend
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
17. QuickStriker Angsty Pardoner - Result of +1 kp of mafia? (node oracle)
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
20. SiNiquity Self-Conscious Vigilante
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
24. ShmotZ Mafia Do-Gooder - never used vote, part of fishball circle
25. Orgolove ADD Doctor - modkilled, fishball circle
26. Node - Claims oracle, can see where +1 mafia kp will strike
27. youngminii
28. jcarlsoniv - claims he was never poked by Dr. H
29. BrownBear Vote Rigger
30. Infinitestory
31. Masq L
32. NB
33. Meeple Glasse
34. Misder
35. kingjames01 Self-Conscious Lazy Vigilante
36. Ace
37. Fishball - Is in confirmed (orgolove) circle of 6. Only 3 remain. Claims he can determine alignment of his circle.
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny
24 of 30 Town-aligned roles remaining
8 of 9 Mafia-aligned roles remaining
1 BG
Murraytis spreads to visitors and visitees. 3 People infected.
Radio Loony lets a message be sent by some player. So lazy that I use this chart as reference... According to the chart, ShmotZ and Orgolove are part of Fishball's circle. But according to the role pm given after their death, there is no mentioning for any circle whatsoever. Orgolove the ADD Doctor is now dead.You are the ADD Doctor! Once per night, you may PM me the person you want to save that night. However, if the person doesn't get hit at night, you get an ADD attack and have a 10% chance of killing him yourself, so be careful! You are not allowed to protect yourself, as you are paranoid that you might kill yourself. Furthermore, given the recent spreading of Murrayitis, you have trained yourself in being able to cure a person from this plague. ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled. You are the Mafia Do-gooder! You never really wanted to be part of the mafia, but your dad just happened to be Al Capone so you were forced into it. Every day, you get an additional vote every day, but have to use it to vote on one of the mafia. If you are the only mafia left, you are relieved of this. Once again, I repeat, QS was in the circle too. 6 total - 3 dead = 3 remaining, ok ? Speaking of which, the 3rd member still have not replied to my PM regarding a request for a role claim. He just flat out did not reply to me. Considering the mafia likely know everyone who is in the circle, I think you should tell everybody as a town. It's just more information that we don't have that the mafia does.
I've been considering it, but I respect the opinions of the other 2 members so I've been wanting to discuss with them; Only if one of the other guy get back to me first...
Also, there is a fair chance that the Mafia DO NOT know about the circle members, considering one of the Mafia members in the circle was actually mod-killed for inactivity. Whether or not he would pass on the information, is another story.
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Too be very honest, if I had the ability, I would kill DH right here right now.
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On November 02 2010 09:50 Ace wrote:
In fact explain this to me:
Let's assume Aeres is a pro-town liar and claims he's the bodyguard in addition to a Cruiseship Captain.
According to Aeres the CC can leave town for one night and avoid being hit.
If Aeres is the CC and bodyguard, and pro-town then why would he reveal this? If the Scum believe that Aeres is the bodyguard then they'd notice that Aeres would be out of town and just shoot Dr.H on Night 1.
From what we know, Dr.H hasn't been shot. So if Aeres is indeed pro-town why didn't Mafia take the shot at Dr.H? Just ignore anything about Dr.H being Scum also for the time being. I just want to breakdown what motive and scenario it makes sense for Aeres to be pro-town if you truly believe he is.
If I recall correctly, it was under the assumption that Aeres can sail ahoy and protect the Mayor at the same time. No it doesn't make sense, but that's what I recall.
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On November 02 2010 08:56 Ace wrote:
As an example, remember the greatest lie ever told in a Mafia game on TL.net is Caller's bullshit Insane Busdriver claim, 2 days after he led the town to believe he was another role. The town bought it hook, line and sinker because "oh Caller was just trying to help" and walla - 2 dead townes, Caller escapes THREE lynches and the town loses.
For the record, I never believed that bastard.
I was the one who caught him too, and they killed me, the one guy who was pushing for his death 
I can already smell a lot of shit in this game that doesn't add up.
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On November 02 2010 10:38 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:On November 02 2010 10:34 infinitestory wrote:On November 02 2010 10:31 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 04:22 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 04:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:f a player is "gone for the night", would that player also be able to protect me if they were a bodyguard that same night? If Aeres hypothetically is the second bodyguard and my other bodyguard is dead: Aeres leaves for the night and the mafia hits me. Do I survive? This is a question too hypothetical to answer as it would require me to confirm or deny roles and give too much information away. Translation: Aeres is scum and he's making up the role. By answering this question, I would be confirming the existence of the fake role and as such, I can't give a real answer. Maybe. Hey wait, I was totally right here. Why are you using this as an argument, infinitestory? For one, we don't know if he's scum for certain. Also, he made the same response to a question about the Cruiseship Captain role, so by the same logic the Cruiseship Captain doesn't exist either. That just seems unlikely to me. ............................................................................................................................................... You know the Cruiseship Captain role was made up, right? Or am I missing something here... ok, no wonder I felt like there was this gigantic disconnect can someone point me to where we agreed that Cruiseship Captain is made up
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it was confirmed by Aeres that the Cruise Ship Captain is a fake role. All we know is that he lied about the Bodyguard role.
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