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On November 01 2010 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? Is it that revealing this will reveal another aspect of your role that can be vital for town? If so, just say that. Because as of now you dodging just makes me incrediably wary of you. If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle. I'm unsure how to do that however while still trying to get the doc(doc h that is) connected. Also, if the bodyguard can only be lynched it actually would be advisable for the bodyguard to claim so then we don't lynch him. Of course, that seems a bit OP for town so I would think there must be a lynch-related role of changing the lynch target... Hmm..... if only there was such a role... *wonder why I'm so suscipcious of you* why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role.
I find it highly unlikely that someone would have a multi-use role which changes the lynch target, because that would be pretty OP. If he was saved from lynch by someone else, then that someone else probably has an excellent reason to keep him alive and by extension probably knows youngminii's alignment
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On November 01 2010 04:01 Pandain wrote:
And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia.
I think both are town-like. Consider the following:
How do you kill a red who is immune to lynches? Note, by the way, that we just lost a vigilante on day 1.
The only way youngminii could be a lynch immune red is if it's an every-other-day thing like Glasse brought up. But that's still fairly OP, since even if we find out youngminii conclusively, mafia still gets an extra free day of KP while we lynch youngminii.
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On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them. Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
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On November 01 2010 04:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:01 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it is very possible there is a bus driver role that switched youngminii and SiNiquity, causing my lynch to go through to SiN. Or there is a role that can hide during the night, or hide someone else.
I very much doubt youngminii has a role that makes him permanently immune to lynches and that if that role existed it would certainly not be a scum role.
Medics should protect our most experienced players for now. Period. That's Fishball, Bumatlarge, Ace, BrownBear, infundibulum, and possibly Divinek (not sure exactly how much of a vet he is)
Medics should NOT protect me obviously. Huh missed this. I didn't think a bus driver was able to switch lynches.... And I'm confused by what you mean by "hide during the night." And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia. Who's going to get hit at night? Town(mafia/town if there are vigis) Who's going to be lynched in day?mafia/town A role involving immunity to lynches would almost certainly be a scum role in my eyes. If you can point out another game where it was not, I would be much obliged. On November 01 2010 03:53 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. Well let's find out: Artanis, can a bodyguard be lynched? A scum role that avoids lynches permanently is broken since we'd have to rely on using a single vigi hit to win the game, presumably. And don't assume a bus driver couldn't switch lynchees in this game. This is Insane Mafia and we need to throw our previous conclusions about how roles should work out the window. At least to some degree. Although my top 2 when I told the town who I was going to lynch was SiN and THEN youngminii, I changed my mind after SiN's martyring post. Perhaps a busdriver switched SiN and young, trying to save SiN only to have the opposite effect? It seems plausible enough but I'm not sure there is any real way to know and having YM role claim is just going to paint a new big target for the mafia forcing our medics to spread even thinner. @InfiniteStory There are many roles that could be twisted to do this that are fairly standard/used in mafia games. Roles like the hider, commuter, bus driver, etc.
If a lynch-swapping bus driver exists, I'm convinced that would be town, since otherwise we would be almost unable to lynch a mafia (a red lynch-swapping bus driver would always switch the lynch to a townie unless our top two in votes are reds every single time).
However, like I said earlier, that bus driver would have to be certain youngminii is valuable and by extension probably know his alignment. That would indicate either they're both mason-like roles (unlikely, since the bus driver is already a bus driver), or they're both reds. But I've already noted that a red lynch-swapping bus driver would be ridiculously OP. Contradiction.
Therefore, I'm convinced youngminii's role saved him, making him a likely blue.
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them. Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain. I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious. As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us. I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Either that, or you're actually the only bodyguard, and DC was just trying to shaft us >_______>
Just because it's INSANE mafia still doesn't mean Artanis is allowed to lie to us on such an important topic, IMO. Then we would literally be fighting the mafia and the gods.
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Veldril wrote:
From what I see of the first day lynch; I think for this game, the top three votes will be taken into account. It is very likely that there is a role that would prevent the "top" voted player to avoid the lynch, be it one time or can use all the game long.
Young's case could be either ways; he has a role that immune to lynch (more likely one time, since permanent immunity is slightly too OP), or he has someone protected him with or without him knowing. We need to get more information before we can conclude which is the case.
Right now, I think it is agreeable that medic should protect veterans first. However; from what I see from Sinquity's role, I think most medics would also be able to cure Murrayitis, which could be a decisive factor in this game. But since we don't have any infected player yet, the curing of Murrayitis is moot for the time being, but it should be discussed more on the next night.
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I just ran a simulation on it.
Assuming Plague Doctors RNG unless they are directed to cure someone by DrH, Murrayitis will kill on day 6 or 7 on average. I also considered what would happen if Plague Doctors RNG only (and ignore DrH), and it seems that it's stunningly close to the first scenario (still kills around day 6 or 7 on average).
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On November 01 2010 04:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 01 2010 04:41 Aeres wrote:
DCXLVI (God, what a hard name to remember) Funbit of info: His name is actually 666 in roman numericals. Hah, I noticed that when I saw it yesterday. That sneaky devil.
i see what you did there
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On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote:
dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor.
also the other people who wanted elected mayor
bumatlarge
fishball
annul
ghrur
glasse
node
also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle.
We definitely should watch DrH too. The mayor should be kept under close scrutiny, as I believe he himself said. I might also add DCLXVI and Aeres, since they both claimed bodyguard while Artanis told us there was only one.
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On November 01 2010 07:29 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 05:18 Fishball wrote:
Just a wee bit if info, in case something does happen to me.
- One of the remaining members have already role claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well.
- The other member have not replied to me yet, and does not know of my role. He also does not know of the member's role who have role claimed to me.
- It is possible that there is still one more Mafia in this circle (if both of them are Mafia, then it doesn't really matter...), especially if one of them die (not me, as I'm already out in the open), unless Mafia just got "lucky" and hit one of them. Regardless, if this case happens, I will have to come forward and announce who is the remaining member and go forth with the investigation. Did everyone miss this post? What the hell does "claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well." mean? By PM?
Apparently you missed it, but fishball is a member of a PM circle with 3 members
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Lexpar, I have no idea why you would roleclaim. Even if you die now, we can no longer make any deductions about DrH's townieness. Since it's almost certainly your role that induced you to say that, if you had died we would have seen your role and been able to make the conclusion anyway. god why did you roleclaim ugh
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On November 01 2010 07:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 07:42 infinitestory wrote:
Lexpar, I have no idea why you would roleclaim. Even if you die now, we can no longer make any deductions about DrH's townieness. Since it's almost certainly your role that induced you to say that, if you had died we would have seen your role and been able to make the conclusion anyway. god why did you roleclaim ugh He didn't claim, did he? Just said a seemingly scummy comment that leads us no where...
*not roleclaim ugh, but he made a comment very revealing about his role IMO
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On November 01 2010 07:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 07:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 07:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 07:42 infinitestory wrote:
Lexpar, I have no idea why you would roleclaim. Even if you die now, we can no longer make any deductions about DrH's townieness. Since it's almost certainly your role that induced you to say that, if you had died we would have seen your role and been able to make the conclusion anyway. god why did you roleclaim ugh He didn't claim, did he? Just said a seemingly scummy comment that leads us no where... *not roleclaim ugh, but he made a comment very revealing about his role IMO ...and what does it reveal about his role? Excuse me if I didn't get it as quickly as you, but did I miss something?
Someone else suggested this already, but it's almost certainly a role that reveals itself to the mayor
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On November 01 2010 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
L in this game? with Ace?
oh lawd
do you want to fill me in on why this is an "oh lawd"
i'm curious
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On November 01 2010 07:56 Glasse wrote:
If masq gets replaced by L we have a confirmed detective.
On November 01 2010 07:56 Node wrote:
I'm posting this now to prove I'm not full of shit if I survive the night and get an opportunity to explain myself come daytime:
BrownBear will die tonight.
i can't wait to see what's going on here. not saying these posts are related, but god are we getting a lot of this
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On November 01 2010 08:03 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 07:56 Glasse wrote:
If masq gets replaced by L we have a confirmed detective. Wouldn't they have the same role? ![[image loading]](http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WSJJeelZE6jrqM:b)
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On November 01 2010 08:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
L is a character from the anime/manga Death Note in which he is the worlds best detective tracking down a serial killer of sorts with a magic notebook that kills anyone whose name is written in it. Ironically enough in these games L is the best town killer. Whether he's Scum or Town aligned lots of innocents die.
here we go
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On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote:
With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3
RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Hey there DrH, how's it going?
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On November 01 2010 08:16 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:15 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:11 Glasse wrote:On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote:
This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS. LOL On October 31 2010 06:03 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 05:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 05:50 Glasse wrote:I made a list with what i think people are. + Show Spoiler +
1. DoctorHelvetica
2. Hyperbola
3. Bumatlarge
4. Veldril
5. Pandain
6. Aeres
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
9. annul
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
17. QuickStriker
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
20. SiNiquity
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
24. ShmotZ
25. Orgolove
26. Node
27. youngminii
28. jcarlsoniv
29. BrownBear
30. Infinitestory
31. Masq
32. NB
33. Glasse
34 Misder
35. kingjames01
36. Ace
37. Fishball
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny
your posting is funny and cute but honestly at this point you are shitting up the thread. I'm requesting that you please stop, no one wants to wade through a bunch of your spam and god forbid someone take your current nonsense seriously. So I can't play this game how i want to play it anymore? Not everyone's post need to 10 page long analysis on random posts. I don't feel the need to post my analysis out in the open and give reds time to react and make up more shit. If something really important comes up you'll know. Also, hopefully someone takes my nonsense seriously, i am serious cat and this is a serious election. Glasse 2010 On October 31 2010 05:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 05:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On October 31 2010 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:One thing I want to point out: On October 31 2010 05:01 Kenpachi wrote:
##Elect DoctorHelvetica From voting thread. Kenpachi has not posted once since the game started. Let's keep a closer eye on lurkers than we did in Haunted. I started a list of lurkers but it's as home, if a list isn't posted by 8 or so tonigh when I get home I'll post mine. Another quick reason why to vote for doc, he's already stated his day one lynch would be youngminii who so far has been the scummiest player. I no longer feel youngminii is the scummiest. In fact I would like to hear from every townie who their #1 suspect is of scum, if they have one at all. I would like to hear other peoples opinions. There has been a lot of campaign shitflinging and very little scumhunting of any sort. I don't think the mafia feel very pressured right now. You are my #1 scum suspect. Is this a reference to this post you made? I also remember a mayoral candidate posting a picture of serious cat in the thread. That was also Glasse who posted the image. Screw the finger, I'm giving you the HoS, Glasse. Wait what does hos mean, am i in danger? DONT BE MEAN I DIDNT DO ANYTHING
Stands for Hand of Suspicion.
It's a very intense version of the Finger of Suspicion
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On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote:During the night, hardly anyone can sleep. It wasn't just all the trick or treaters, everyone was busy doing something. One poor dude? He arrived at the wrong person’s home (some idiot kidnapped the people) and proceeded to become gagged and tied up. As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy  At least some people stayed quiet. One person left the town to do some illegal activity legally, another person put on his favorite lingerie and admired himself all night. Annul decided to stalk his favorite person. However, after he put on his black clothes, black mask, and black gloves. Someone helped him by wrapping a black scarf around his neck. Killing him.
Afterwards a completely different person arrived, played on the tire swing for a while, and left.BrownBear was minding his own business, he didn’t do anything wrong! He had all the tools he needed to mess up the elections, but as they say. It never pays to be good. BrownBear died for being good. Kids, honesty never pays off. Kingjames found something underneath his home. It was a giant pumpkin. Luckily for him the giant pumpkin wasn’t dangerous. However, the Giant Potato that was right beside it blew up and killed him More people started coughing. Three people are infected
Brownbear the Swaparoo is deadShow nested quote +You are the Swaparoo! You never were one of fair elections, so why would lynches be fair? Once per day, you may PM me to change the vote of a player in the lynch vote. Your own vote doesn't count, but you still have to post it. kingjames01 the Self-Conscious lazy VigilanteShow nested quote +You are the Self-Conscious lazy Vigilante! You like sleeping long hours and due to this you are often forgetful about your plans to assassinate someone. Since you're aware of this, you've decided you'll just hit in the day instead. Once in the game, you may PM me to put a hit on someone. But, should you hit a non-mafia player, you are consumed by guilt and jump in front of the nearest train. annul the Bullet Bill is deadShow nested quote +You are Bullet Bill! You love bullets and the smell of gunpowder so much you named your son '50 Cal. At night you can target a player and find out if they are carrying a gun. You are the Bodyguard!
This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3
RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS.
Masq is being replaced by L, Everyone say "Hi L!"
There are a LOT of clues in this night post imo. Read the paragraphs I bolded.
Hi L!
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