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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 02:42 GMT
#2018
[quote]2.) I didn't get a bandwagon going on Aeres. I started a lynch on Aeres. If I was starting a bandwagon I wouldn't be using logical arguments, or you know the fact that Aeres lied as proof that he is scum. [/quote
Of course an experienced player won't just use some random arguments to try and get people to bandwagon someone. They try and pick on someone weak who can't defend himself and push for a lynch on him. Also, I don't see how Aeres lied as "proof" he is scum. As been mentioned by other people in the thread, scum are not the only ones who lie, a townie lying can be of benefit to town if done correctly, which Aeres didn't do and as such an easy target for someone such as yourself by pulling LAL.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 02:46 GMT
#2020
On November 02 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
2.) I didn't get a bandwagon going on Aeres. I started a lynch on Aeres. If I was starting a bandwagon I wouldn't be using logical arguments, or you know the fact that Aeres lied as proof that he is scum.

Of course an experienced player won't just use some random arguments to try and get people to bandwagon someone. They try and pick on someone weak who can't defend himself and push for a lynch on him. Also, I don't see how Aeres lied as "proof" he is scum. As been mentioned by other people in the thread, scum are not the only ones who lie, a townie lying can be of benefit to town if done correctly, which Aeres didn't do and as such an easy target for someone such as yourself by pulling LAL.

Just fixing the quotes
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 02:47 GMT
#2021
I do agree with L that we need to pick a lynch target who isn't part of the heavy arguing going on.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 04:20 GMT
#2062
Can we please move on to other possible lynch targets instead of speculating how people's said role works? We can do that later on if someone told us about their role and got caught in a lie.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 04:21 GMT
#2063
On November 02 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 13:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:14 Coagulation wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
[quote]
The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...



so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people?
really?
thats as anti town as it gets.


Was I accusing him? No.

I felt left out because of all this ridiculous arguing, and I want people to look at others for possible lynch targets because I believe this argument really didn't get us far.

Go ahead and try to paint me anti-town if you really want to. I'm not sure you'll get too far.


im not trying to paint you anti town. but dont pretend that trying to put eye of suspicion on people because you feel left out is a good way to help town.


Feeling left out isn't the lead persuasion for wanting to search for other targets. Wanting to expand the discussion is.

While I know it is likely there are some blues lurking/being inactive, I would say that it is almost certain there are lurking mafia. This scares me because they can just sit back while people like Doc/Pandain/YM/infinite bicker and split the town into to halves.


The problem with talking about inactives, is you can't really talk about inactives. If players are truly inactive, not posting at all, then really they're all equally likely to be scum and no real conclusions can be drawn.

However it is by no means a good thing that the town gets split 50/50 or that one argument/conflict is the spotlight of the entire day. Inactives need to start posting!

I want to see Divinek post D:

Yes and only way to force inactives to post is to start lynching inactives to scare them into posting.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 04:24 GMT
#2065
Can someone do an analysis on misder? He seems to have a lot of low content post.

I am just too lazy right now as I have a lot of work to do.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 15:21 GMT
#2116
On November 02 2010 22:59 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 22:46 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 02 2010 22:28 deconduo wrote:
On November 02 2010 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On November 02 2010 13:52 Veldril wrote:
On November 02 2010 05:19 Glasse wrote:
I think veldril might be scared of saying anything due to what happened in haunted mafia
I'd love to hear him on this though


I try to post something but having fever and playing Mafia make my head hurts even more T T

Regarding Dr.H and jcarlson, I think there are too many possibilities to simply conclude anything. I still 80% certain that Dr.H is a town player. However, he needs to prove his role quickly or he will lose the trust from me.

On Aeres, I really have no comments at this point (can't have good thinking right now T T). But I would not vote for him simply because of LAL. But I admit that young, and Dr.H made a good analysis on him.

I will put my vote on Divinek for the time being. He's a vet and I want him to say something too. I have yet to see his post about current situation. Also, last game he barely posted and turn out to be red in the end so I think we need to force him to be more active this game too.


If we let Aeres get away with blatantly lying then this cascades into a greater issue later in the game where everyone will feel that lying is the "best way" to bait the mafia; however what will end up happening is the players will bait each other and mafia will never bite. They will know that liars can get away with anything, so they can let the town doom itself. By lynching using LAL as a precedent we're halting future thought of fake claims. Fake claiming is a mafia tell, yet players insist on doing this as a bait tactic. It won't work in the long run.

And we can't just sit here and say "look everyone, don't lie like Aeres did." We won't know what Aeres was really lying about. Mafia will have extra leeway when it comes to a raise in suspicion as well. Picture it...

In 3 days we will go through someones post that has a contradiction and then the accused can just say "oh I was lying to bait someone, like Aeres did." What do we do? Keep our policy of "oh he must be telling the truth, sorry newbie mistake." Learn from your mistakes or don't make them.

Unless there's a better lynch suspect it seems that Aeres would be our best bet for obtaining information.


So you are saying we should lynch Aeres to set an example?



On November 02 2010 22:35 youngminii wrote:
That is what the policy of LAL revolves around, discouraging blatant lies.


^--- This in a nutshell. It's going to be a trainwreck when we have to sift through honest posts and take everything cautiously.


Sitting back and letting 3 letters be law for every single scenario just boggles my mind. Not looking at things in a case by case basis is utterly utterly utterly demented. But hey, people seem to be set in their ways and who am I to change that.

Exactly. I thought we were supposed to lynch people for being SCUM, not for lying. This is a bit of a ridiculous policy. Why must it be one way or the other? We have to consider things case by case, not handle them all the same.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 15:27 GMT
#2118
Too much idiotic roleclaims for the sake of roleclaims this game
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 21:09 GMT
#2192
On November 03 2010 02:28 Infundibulum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 00:21 Nemesis wrote:
Exactly. I thought we were supposed to lynch people for being SCUM, not for lying. This is a bit of a ridiculous policy. Why must it be one way or the other? We have to consider things case by case, not handle them all the same.


Lynch all Liars is a metagame policy that extends beyond just this round of mafia.

I still have trouble coming to terms with it because last game I was in LAL got a couple townies lynched. Because they lied and fucked up the town, and mafia pushed LAL on them.

Even so, as a long term policy LAL can and will discourage these lying plays on both sides, town and mafia and so it should be used.

As for Aeres, I'm guessing if lynched he's going to flip town. There's less of a motive for claiming BG as a mafia, since the purpose of claiming BG is to draw a hit and the mafia won't hit itself.

The other thing is mafia completely ignored 666's bodyguard softclaim, for whatever reason.

Exactly why I don't like it. Mafia can use it against town every time someone gets caught for minor inconsistencies in his posts.

I really dislike the bandwagon on Aeres right now because of LAL. YOU SHOULD LYNCH SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY ARE SCUM NOT STUPID LAL.

If Aeres flips town, I will go batshit crazy on all the people that bandwagoned him.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 21:38 GMT
#2204
I didn't know that we were back into the "ifs and "what ifs" circle again
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 21:58 GMT
#2216
ENOUGH WIFOM argument please...
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 22:06 GMT
#2220
On November 03 2010 07:02 KtheZ wrote:
#vote Aeres

Looks like we have another lurker again
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 02 2010 23:50 GMT
#2277
On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?

is there a number?


I would say that if DrH fails to confirm himself this night phase.

This is the part where I say "I told you so"

And the part where I go batshit crazy. Seriously, we don't fucking lynch FOR BAD TOWNIE PLAY, WE LYNCH FOR SCUM PLAY. It was pretty obvious that aeres did the former.

So I really want to lynch the people who started the bandwagon now, but I guess it will have to wait until next day phase.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 00:21 GMT
#2297
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.

I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.

M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it.

As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night:
1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard
2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched.
3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 00:23 GMT
#2301
I think we should stop WIFOMing about whether or not youngminii is red based on what Artanis might add to the circle.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 00:41 GMT
#2306
On November 03 2010 09:21 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.

I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.

M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it.

As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night:
1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard
2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched.
3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive.

Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 01:58 GMT
#2347
On November 03 2010 09:51 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 09:41 Nemesis wrote:
On November 03 2010 09:21 Nemesis wrote:
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.

I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.

M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it.

As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night:
1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard
2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched.
3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive.

Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point.


Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often..

Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 02:38 GMT
#2349
On November 03 2010 11:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 10:58 Nemesis wrote:
On November 03 2010 09:51 CubEdIn wrote:
On November 03 2010 09:41 Nemesis wrote:
On November 03 2010 09:21 Nemesis wrote:
On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected.

I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day.

M-rus spreads whenever someone infected visits someone uninfected during the night. Other than that maybe mafia has a role that can spread it.

As for the night phase, I think I want to talk about medic's best target for this night:
1. DoctorH - He just lost his only bodyguard
2. DCLXVI - Even if node is lying about his role, mafia has to target DC or else node is lynched.
3. Node - If node is not lying about his role, that is a big benefit for town. That is 1 less kill point for mafia as long as node stays alive.

Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point.


Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often..

Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too.


Well, this worries me and it doesn't. Assigning blue roles in thread isn't always the smartest thing (as I learned in Haunted) because then Mafia knows what's going on. Downside is we have no PMs, so we don't really have much choice.

One thing good that we will learn is whether or not the +1 Mafia KP can be protected against (as we are assuming this is what Node is predicting). I assume it probably can be, but it would definitely be nice to know for sure.

Well seeing as the DCLXVI kill is predetermined in the beginning of the day post if Node is not lying, I doubt mafia can change that.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 23:26 GMT
#2521
DoctorH, any news on your poking confirmation?

Well I'll be back after dinner
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2010 23:51 GMT
#2547
On November 04 2010 08:29 infinitestory wrote:
Points Of Note in this day post:
1) No additional infections. How the hell did that happen?
2) Someone was protected. I find it highly likely that was DC.
3) Bum's dead. Fuck.
4) jcarlsoniv was Elder. Fuck.
5) hey there Glasse, what did you send for the radio? Also, why is LOONY decapitalized and spelled different?
6) 3 (?) people tried to force their way into houses and failed. Whaaaat? And that extra guy on the rooftops?
7) Someone else was out of town. That's definitely NOT Aeres this time.
8) A silenced shot killed bum? Could that mean something?
9) hello mayor, help us lynch a baddie!

1. I'm gueesing that mafia don't have a role that can give infection, and the first 3 infection was RNG, so the only way for infection to spread is through visiting.
Are we told about the person being infected if someone infected dies?
2.most likely
3. Fuck.
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