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On October 30 2010 12:58 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 12:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if glasse is invincible he shouldn't be mayor, it's a waste of the bodyguard mechanic What if i take all the hits for my bodyguards? That makes many ppl invincible as well! On October 30 2010 12:31 annul wrote:
god may not be able to kill you but the mods can! We'll see about that! Vote Glasse! Insane mayor 2010! My understanding of the bodyguard is that if the mayor is hit, the bodyguard doesn't die, but that the bodyguard must be killed before the mayor can What if i am invincible due to bodyguards? DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I could also be an invincible body guard, who protect his own bodyguards. Think about it, its so insane it could be true! Glasse for mayor!
I honestly do not think no matter what, Artanis would not put such an imbalanced role. Either there's a big catch you aren't telling us, or you're just talking out of your ass.
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On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:Okay, I think that my previous question got lost in the thread. Can anyone answer this for me? Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 18:36 kingjames01 wrote:
Is a person who has been visited by the Plague Doctor gain immunity for the remainder of the game?
I decided to play this game from the beginning as though everyone was mafia but me. DrH supposed role is "Sticky" Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 11:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious Does it matter? It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet. I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am? Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt? I'll think about it. Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated. DrH, you've been mafia MANY times before as you've said. You, better than anyone, should know that is not the ONLY way to fake this role. Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. He's given us this description of his role but it doesn't assuage my hesitations. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. How exactly does your role work? How WILL we know that you're legitimately town? What if you pretend to use your "ability" and another Red says, "Hey, DrH came to me in my dreams and now I KNOW he's Blue." What I want from DrH is to convince me that this is not the case. If he cannot provide that, he will not get my vote.
Kingjames raises a lot of valid points. DrH, you're avoiding his answers and just focusing on Glasse, who's obviously an idiot.
What is your response to KingJames' comments?
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Oh, the window was open for far too long...
On October 30 2010 13:23 Misder wrote:
Giving mafia the members makes it easy to break the circle up.
Mafia will know who's in the circle. It will only benefit the town if the circle members reveal their involvement.
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On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 06:10 Pandain wrote:
Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off.
Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really...  Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 10:15 Pandain wrote:
sorry still reading but just to adress one vital concern.
I am very proactive. I will help the town, i've already decided what we should do if I'm elected so I might as well share it.
As of now, we need medics protecting several of the valuable blues that claimed to run. Sure, one may be a mafia but most likely the rest will be vital blues. So I think they should RNG between Dr. H, Fishball, and possibly Bum. And If i lose, then take out the winner and add me.
Right now I don't have any active thoughts because really its day 1. Anyone who says they really know whats going on is either mafia or wrong. Sure, you can get lucky every once in a while but unless someone truly scum slips it's going to be mostly a guessing game.
If you've seen any of my games, you'd know I'm very decisive. Anyway, still reading. top medic targets should be: ace bumatlarge fishball Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable.
So why is it important that you're mayor?
I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself.
How can I be sure you are town?
+ Show Spoiler +On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous.
Let's say I am mafia.
I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion.
I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off.
I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.
An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote.
In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake.
So for me to pull this off all of the following are true:
I am mafia
I am godfather
I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught
I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility.
Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for:
extra vote
immunity to vigs
and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor:
guaranteed DT visit
immense pressure/scrutiny from town
it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated.
Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone.
Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote.
What you are suggesting is only possible if PMs are allowed in general. If you're suggesting DrH "give" you a bodyguard by posting the bodyguard's name on the thread, then you're just giving mafia more targets to choose from.
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lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky?
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On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote:
lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying.
How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis?
Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? In the words of Antoine Dodson "You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real." kingjames and infinitestory are merely speculating on the fact that my poke could infect them. however in my talks with artanis it is pretty clear the point of my role is to a. confirm my role to others and to b. tell who does and doesn't have murrayitis i was never told that i infect people with murrayitis and my understanding is that my role is designed to fight its spread you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand obviously mafia would be shitting their pants at the idea of electing me. it's suspicious to say the least.
Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_-
I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor.
Besides, if truly that's all you can do, I can hardly think the ability to check ONE player a day for a disease which doesn't even kill unless it's extensively spread to be the "SUPER IMPORTANT" role that you claimed as your role.
Further, there is no way we will be able to confirm that your stick doesn't infect people - As kingjames has mentioned, if your stick is "dirty," you can simply claim whoever you infected the first night to have "turned up as infected" in your "check". Then you can just let the other blues check on him, further confirming your "innoc
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Fine. I'll stop bringing in your confirmed flaws into this equation.
But lets say EVERYTHING you said is 100% true. Basically, your ability is thus:
"Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis."
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor?
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From the very start of your candidacy, you poised two reasons for your mayoral candidacy:
1. Your role is very important.
On October 30 2010 10:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well, my role is the most important thing
2. You'll be able to prove that you aren't blue.
On October 30 2010 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
not to mention a confirmed townie mayor is a very useful thing, considering the fact that it is likely i would be recruited into the various circles of teh game
Let me quote myself re point 1:
On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote:
Basically, your ability is thus:
"Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis."
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor?
And regarding your second point, in a game where we don't know the true mechanics of your role, your role could easily involve simply infecting people with your stick.
After one night action, you can simply claim that the guy you infected "turned up infected" in your nightly "check." Then you can just as easily invite plague doctors to cure him. When they confirm your victim was infected, you were going to claim that you are a blue based on that fact.
Thus, based on pure game mechanics consideration, there is no way you can prove your status as a townie.
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-_-
On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense?
And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
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On October 30 2010 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
considering you've called me out on two lies already in this thread that I immediately called out as bullshit (funny how you didn't respond either time) I'm not surprised you're trying to imply it again
Bullshit. You never cleared anyone's doubts. Those exchanges were buried under others' posts - but the suspicions still stand.
On October 30 2010 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
then i'm not infecting anyone throughout the whole game as I do this. meaning that my infection power is made 0, a shitty awful play. so I'm shooting myself in the foot to get confirmed blue status for almost no benefit (an extra vote whoopee). I'd have to lie to get a real infection off and plague doctos would know, could claim it, and get me lynched
Considering that the whole point of a Mafia Godfather is to appear as a confirmed townie, I'd say confirmed blue status is highly valuable. Valuable enough to disable one of their plaguebearers? Depends on how many they have, but I doubt Artanis put only put one in the game.
On October 30 2010 15:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i am really not that capable of an this intricate of a plan as mafia, i didn't even think of some of the crazy possibilities you guys are coming up with. maybe ya'll woudl be better stickys than me
Looking at your post history, you were a mafia in every previous game you played. You certainly tried to appear capable enough when the needs fit you - and now you're playing the dunce?
On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do.
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On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens.
Notice you're contradicting yourself here?
On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
it's in the past and shit happens.
On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed
If aggressive interrogation doesn't suit your sensibilities, then perhaps this game is not for you. The issue here is DrH's suitability as a mayor. Considering the importance of such a position, anything goes.
Besides, If, as you truly did read through the past couple of pages, then you should have known that I won't bring it up myself - why are you opening up the discussion again? If you want to support DrH, you're only hurting your own cause by continuing this.
On October 30 2010 15:59 infinitestory wrote:Even though I did present a theory with which DrH could be a red and fake his role, I considered his play fairly town-oriented. But his subsequent defensiveness and posts like Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol reduced my trust in DrH significantly. On top of that, his mayoral campaign is based on having an important role which he can 100% confirm as blue. Assuming his roleclaim is totally correct and leaves nothing out, it's probably not worth giving bodyguards to, since preventing Murrayitis is secondary to things such as scumhunting and DT work. Additionally, the scenario I put up seems to have given rise to a lot of discussion about possible ways mafia could thwart DrH's plan. So I can't put full confidence in DrH at the moment, as a townie or as a mayor.
Agreed. Considering how he's become increasingly emotional and frustrated as time went by, I highly doubt DrH can keep his cool as a Mayor. If a candidate can't handle the muckraking during the campaigning, how will he handle the extreme scrutiny he'll be under as the mayor? We don't need someone who can't even stay levelheaded when answering questions about his past, especially someone who can't let go of a grudge on two questions about his honesty.
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DoctorHelvetica's Candidacy: The Reality
Just step back, and take a look. Forget all personal feelings, and just look at the facts.
We are trying to vote for a mayor of the town. The chosen will:
- Kill one person of his choice immediately at the end of the first day
- have increased voting power for each subsequent lynches
- near invincibility to night kills thanks to the presence of bodyguards
It is not a decision to be made lightly. If we select a mafia into the position, it would be a disaster of cosmic proportions. Conversely, if we select an important blue into the position, the town will be much closer to victory.
DrH's candidacy hinges on two points.
- His claim that his role is extremely important - so much so that his role deserves the extra protection afforded to the mayor.
- His claim that he is not a red, and that he will roleclaim without a shadow of doubt after the first day.
To support his first point, he revealed that his role is "Mr Sticky," a role that allows him to "poke" someone as his night action. If his claim is correct, he will then know if the target has Murrayitis.
On October 30 2010 13:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:40 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:31 bumatlarge wrote:
I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die.
Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. DrH is NOT claiming Plague Doctor. He says that he can tell if someone has the plague but he cannot confer immunity. His other apparent ability is to have Artanis PM a player with confirmation that DrH is who he says he is. I'm still not sure why that would be related to Sticky. sticky is a stick I poke people with a stick and they are told if I poked them or not. If the poke is unsuccessful than I know that person has m-rus or that I was roleblocked if there is a roleblocker.
Remember the mechanic of Murrayitis:
On October 29 2010 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies.
So let me reiterate. According to his own descriptions, DrH can check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis.
Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately. Rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town.
If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over.
You decide - is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person ONE night, in a 40 person game, so important that it requires the protection afforded to a mayor?
Next, to support his second point, he continued from his roleclaim and declared that by "poking" someone the first night and having the target confirm the event, he will definitely be shown as a blue.
Considering the number of unknowns in this game, there are so many potential traps in here that we can't possibly trust this. And apparently I'm not the only one to pick up on it. Just to name a few:
On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote:
Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose.
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. On October 30 2010 13:31 kingjames01 wrote:I just want to point out that Sticky is the name of the stick that Bill Murray used to defend himself when the mafia took him out in Mafia XXXI. I don't think that is a coincidence since a major theme of this game is Bill Murray. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:02 BrownBear wrote:Night 3 It was a dark and stormy night. The survivors huddled in the ruins of their houses, shivering, makeshift weapons pointed at the doors. Bill Murray had found a pointy stick. It was his favorite pointy stick. He had named it Sticky. Thunder crashed in the distance as he shivered in his bed, Sticky pointed directly at the door, pointy end first.
The door creaked open. Bill Murray leaped up and screamed "PROTECT ME, STICKY!!!", then charged at the door, Sticky first.Bill Murray the Miller is now dead. Anybody have any ideas how this is related to DrH's role? Maybe if we can figure that out we can confirm/deny DrH's claims. On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1
Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. On October 30 2010 14:27 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta. I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme: - Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis - Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky - There is an actual role called "Sticky" - Sticky's ability involves poking people On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet. If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you. the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. On October 30 2010 14:44 Ace wrote:That doesn't confirm your alignment though  On October 30 2010 14:59 orgolove wrote:-_- Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 14:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. here is my solution: if plague doctors visit the people I poke, then the numbers of murrayitis won't rise assuming that I am the one transferring murrayitis (a scenario which i would call extremely unlikely) I can prove I'm townie because mafia don't know who I will confirm to. They thus can't infect that person reliably and it will become evident very soon that the people I'm poking do not have murrayitis. If they infect that person that night they would do so to trick plague doctors. If we discover this is their pattern of infection then there will never be a spread of infections because plague doctors just visit the people I poke. this forces mafia to infect other people, which means I'll be confirmed. it is a bigger loss to them to infect nobody than it is to let me get off confirmed as town so I think it'll work out. does that make sense? And no, that won't work. In a game where we don't know how many plaguebearers there are, if the mafia ever has their own plague doctors, then the numbers can remain the same while the mafia "heals" one of their previous disease hits.
Thus, not only is his ability, if true, unworthy of mayoral protection, we won't even be sure that he can reveal himself as a townie beyond doubt.
I close this with one last thing I place under your consideration. The Town Mayor is a position of leadership. Both with his ability to immediately lynch 1 player, as well as his increased number of votes in the daily lynches, the mayor has a responsibility to take charge of the town and be a levelheaded leader who will not be guided by emotion.
If we do get an experienced, well-intentioned and collected leader
However, DoctorHelvetica has been increasingly emotional and defensive as questions against his alignment mounted.
On October 30 2010 14:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you like to paint me as a liar whenever you can based on posts you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand
On October 30 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fair enough. I'm not the one starting the WIFOM bullshit. On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol
DrH could not keep his cool when people merely questioned him during his candidacy. Can we truly trust him to lead the town as a mayor, unaffected by his personal bias?
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On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum.
Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words.
See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran."
Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left?
And are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves
1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy
2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS
And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game.
There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor.
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On October 31 2010 07:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:14 orgolove wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words. Not at all. There are players that have grilled me just as much and to much better effect than you. The difference is I don't think they are scum. You don't threaten me, you just reek of scum.
If you want to talk about the nastiness of personal grudges how about the one that leads you to insult me twice in a row even though Artanis told you to stop once? Hypocrite.See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran." Worst argument ever. So I shouldn't ever change my mind in light of new information? In light of the game continuing on and better candidates presenting themselves? Don't be absurd. This "point" is trash.Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left? Because I can only decide the day 1 lynch and I have no killing power :DAnd are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," just sticky, not mr sticky whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves 1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy Not really, just myself and it would be very easy to catch me in a lie.2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS What do you mean by this? Plague doctors?And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game. So lets just let the plague happen no big deal right?There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor. That is very well possible, but it looks like I'm being elected. Blame the voters not me. I also like that you didn't respond to my post a few pages back where I completely obliterated your terrible "criticism". Here I'll go ahead and do it again.
"Terrible criticism"? Lol, I can count at least several of the players here that appreciated the points I raised. And yet you try to rile me up with your own insults! "this point is trash" AHAHA how childish can you be?
On October 31 2010 07:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:27 Nemesis wrote:Orgolove sounds like veldril last game  Either orgolove is a bad townie or scum, at this point I really can't tell. In the last game that orgolove was pro-town he was very nice and played an extremely objective game. He dealt only in facts, he messed some up (Not hard to do in such a large game) but pretty much played the role of "numbers guy" These erratic attacks, intense focus on me, and antagonistic behavior just strikes me as a total 360 spin from how he played before.
Interesting. So questioning a mayoral candidate counts as being a "bad townie"? "Antagonistic behavior"? I'm more suspicious of Nemesis and your connection to DrH, given how you immediately come to defense via trying to paint me as a scum.
If criticizing the reasons behind your list counts as an insult to you, then this is just hopeless. As I said, please do lynch me if I am your top suspect. If you are so petty as to lynch someone based on your personal grudges, then I rest my case - the town will see the light eventually.
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Anyways, perhaps you guys have noticed, I was supportive of Fishball from the start. I was hoping to reveal this once EVERYONE was here.
But as Fishball mentioned, the deadline is coming up, and yet half the circle has not responded, we have to go forward with what we have and adapt.
So here, I reveal this: I am a part of Fishball's circle. The following are some of our PM exchanges. Please read starting from the bottom.
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Original Message From Fishball:
That's actually not my first roles power.
All I've said is that my role is crucial to the circle.
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Original Message From orgolove:
You might want to mention your statement about "first job" being weeding out the mafia in the circle as a response to DrH's latest statement.
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Original Message From Fishball:
not yet.
if possible, please wait for my green light.
things might be different now when the mayor can be role/alignment checked.
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Original Message From orgolove:
Should I reveal myself as a part of the circle? I want to wait for everyone but what's your thoughts?
So there you have it. The circle exists exactly as Fishball described. We 6 do not know each other's roles or alignments, but we definitely know who each other are, and can PM each other. If Fishball is elected, his original plan is very viable.
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Parting note. My mindset was thus: I would do WHATEVER it took to get Fishball elected. Thus why I fought against the Pandain bandwagon, then spent the last 24 hours fighting against the DrH voting wave.
I apologize for hurting anyone's feelings. But I deemed DoctorHelvetica's discomfort an acceptable casualty if Fishball could be elected mayor and lead the town to victory.
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