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On October 30 2010 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
If Fishball becomes mayor, then I would think mafia would try to infect him with murrayitis and kill him. The only way we could keep him alive if they do that is have doctors constantly heal him. I don't know how long we need him alive, but here's my thought right now:
Just protecting Fishball with medics is better than having him be mayor AND protect with medics(since they block night kills anyway.)
As for how to continue with his plan, I think one person from the circle should claim they are in circle, then once we know there is one just protect fishball. Then he can do whatever he says is "crucial".
thoughts? Medics might not be able to cure Murrayitis, in fact, I'm pretty sure they won't be able to. They would only be able to keep their target from dying. Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition.
Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. It appears that Plague Doctors are the ones that would be able to cure Murrayitis. So if he were Mayor, he would have protection and require a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's not Mayor, and we still feel he needs to stay alive, then it would require a Medic for protection and a Plague Doctor for the cure. If he's Mayor, that is one more available blue per night.
If you read again doctors can cure Murrayitis, but plague doctor transfers immunity too.
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On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy
If you want to know why I voted pandain, it's because I think he is the best candidate out of everyone running right now. His analysis is decent and I think that he is not that hard to read. So if he is mafia, I think he will easily slip.
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Yes, if people in this so called circle claim up, I might change my vote to fishball.
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And the debates continue! 
Politics, I dislike it 
Just some general points I'd like to make:
To DrH: If you are mafia and your role is similar to what you say it is, it could just be instead of you being able to "confirm your role as a townie" to other people it could be "fake your role as a townie" to other people. You don't need to out other mafias to do that.
I am just highly skeptical of voting for someone because of their supposed role.
To fishball: Get someone from your circle to confirm that your circle really exist, or in fact, tell all of them to come out(not their role just the fact that they are in the circle) if at all possible.
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On October 30 2010 11:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:27 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 11:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 11:23 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My role has two basic abilities:
-to confirm itself to another player at night. basically I can send a signal to another player once per night that confirms I am the role I say I am.
-to assist in stopping the spread of the plague. i will use this role to reliably coordinate the night actions of plague doctors and the results will show in the murrayitis counts.
Both of these actions can be proven, they have results that cannot be faked.
Secondly, (more like the hundred time I've said this and people don't listen)
So whats the name of your role, i'm curious Does it matter? It seems strange that you would want to know. I guess it would do no harm to tell, it wouldn't reveal the exact nature of my powers, which I won't go into extreme detail on just yet. I'm not sure I should say. Maybe there is a role that knows all the roles in the game? And you're trying to confirm I am who I say I am? Maybe this is some kinda weird mafia fishing attempt? I'll think about it. Sounds more like you just made shit up and can't think of a name that fits the description you gave. Oh, I see. The name of the role is Sticky. You can see earlier that I used the word sticky to try to see if Node had the same role as me. As far as making it up, that would be the worst mafia play in the history of mafia. Again like I said (this is the millionth time now) In order to fake this role I have to out a scumbuddy every single day, who has to lie, putting pressure on an increasing amount of mafia. I would also have to fake the second part of my role, which would be impossible to do since the results are objective and not able to be manipulated.
To DrH: If you are mafia and your role is similar to what you say it is, it could just be instead of you being able to "confirm your role as a townie" to other people it could be "fake your role as a townie" to other people. You don't need to out other mafias to do that.
Looks like my post is just being jumped over  You don't necessarily to have made up the entire role, but it could work just as you said but instead favor the mafia instead of town. Like a mafia role that can "confirm he's town through other people"
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Hahaha this game is so INSANE with no one knowing what roles there are and turning all the roleclaiming into WIFOM as we can't tell if there really is such a role.
I'll be back in around an hour or so and decide whether to change my vote or not after I watch some anime.
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Since we're talking about lynch suspect now, I feel that youngminii and orgolove are pretty scummy.
I would also take a look at lurkers. Force them to come out by threating to lynch them as whatever you says go for this lynch.
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Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching?
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On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list  DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity?
Siniquity and Kenpachi were pretty inactive in mafia, but they turned out to be villagers.
I still don't like how they're lurking though. Maybe consider it as a future lynch target in the future.
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Orgolove sounds like veldril last game
Either orgolove is a bad townie or scum, at this point I really can't tell.
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On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:46 bumatlarge wrote:On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one. SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself? I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else. Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%.
I never supported you except for finding orgolove suspicious.
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Do bodyguards protect the mayor from ALL hit or one hit each
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On November 01 2010 03:07 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 01:51 Hyperbola wrote:On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote:
oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on
Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves:
Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway.
Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone?
DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*.
Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? Ok so these are the aspects of his role (if he's telling the truth): 1. avoid a lynch 2. no talking So I'm thinking his role is the ability to leave town, turn invisible, or hide in the closet for a night. I don't know why he wouldn't role claim but, more importantly, this doesn't seem like a scum-favored role. Think about it: why would scum leave town? Is the mob getting too hot for him? This would seem almost detrimental because if someone has a valid case against him, he can't argue it and just delays the inevitable 1 turn. I think the role is intended to just dodge night actions and simply dodges lynches and forbids speaking as a side effect. So in short, I think youngminii is innocent to some extent... for now. Something that is to be considered is that in the role list i was reading (to have ideas of what kind of roles could happen here) there was a role that could hide in his office if he felt threatened. He could not do it twice in a row but he could hide every other days/nights. Now he might not want to say anything because he wouldnt be able to hide again. :3
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Commuter
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You guys are idiots, so many roleclaims already-.-
We should also stop with the WIFOM of what other things "roles" can do as it is just WIFOM. Let's stick to what we know.
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Damn this has turned into a shitfest.
Can we please stop with all these "what ifs" bullshit?
I guess important thing right now is who I am going to lynch, then I'm sleeping.
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I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.
Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really?
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Ok well I have classes tomorrow so I'm off to sleep.
I just placed a placeholder vote in case I don't have time to do a full analysis on who I should vote later on.
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On November 01 2010 13:19 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote:
I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.
Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really? Trust? Too much relaxation? As scum they could put us into a state of 'oh hey the Mayor has a bodyguard, he won't die, we don't need a doctor to protect him' if we think he's still got an active bodyguard. I mean, who the hell would actually go to the trouble of making an entire 'Cruiseship Captain' role by themself? Looks like it was looked over and peer reviewed by an entire team of people imo. The original Cruiseship Captain Crap: Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 04:12 Aeres wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay, since it seems that the Doc's position as Mayor is in jeopardy, I'm going to put some interesting info out there. On October 31 2010 10:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Further news I forgot to put in the night post: Due to budget cuts, we have only managed to purchase one bodyguard for the Mayor. Artanis lied. There are two Bodyguards, not one. I don't know who the first one is (I suspect it's DC), but I am the second one.I was going to play dumb about my role of Bodyguard until DC screwed up. I dunno if he really is the other Bodyguard, but if he is, I feel like if he was killed, then the Mafia, upon learning that there is a second Bodyguard (due to a failed hit on Mayor), would start hitting the most outspoken townspeople in lieu of the Mayor. Since I am in fact one of the more outspoken people in this topic, I was at risk of being "tapped", so to speak. I would also like to note that my normal role greatly assists my ability to act as a Bodyguard. Since Bodyguards block hits on the Mayor, killing them makes the Mayor vulnerable. My role is designed to increase my longevity as long as possible. My role is called the "Cruiseship Captain". I am eligible to PM a mod in order to set sail for the ocean and leave town for the night, thus becoming immune to any and all night actions (positive and negative alike, including roleblocks and DT checks). I am not permitted to set sail on consecutive nights. Because of this mechanic, I can survive on my own for a short while. Having a Medic tend to me will not be necessary for the first few nights. Once my role has been exhausted of uses (I do not know how many times I can set sail in this game, only that it is more than once), Medics are more than welcome to assist me. Also, please keep in mind that my role has an additional function that I am not presently willing to reveal. Yeah, this is all great, Aeres, but now you sound mighty suspicious to me!Well, yes, I cannot deny that I seem fishy (pardon the pun, I am a Cruiseship Captain, after all). I also imagine it does not help my case that setting sail makes me immune to DT checks. I assure you all, however, that I am working in the interests of the town. Believe me, I'd rather not cause suspicion when it isn't warranted, but DC's possibly slip-up forced my hand.
Grr last post for tonight. Except he told us that he actually lied so your argument is null.
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Well I'm back and I've been reading a lot.
Yum Yum
Time to give my input on things.
1. LAL is a BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD policy. What is important is not that they lied or what they lied about, but their reasons for lying aka their motive. Although I do find Aeres martyring himself as fishy.
2. If you are going to go with LAL policy, why aren't you gunning for DrH too, YM and Ace?
3. DoctorH, I have FoS on, but I don't really want to lynch him at this point as he is mayor, and can really help in the lategame if he is indeed town. Besides, he is always in the spotlight, more chance for him to slipup like he's been slowly doing all day.
4. For the youngminii bandwagon, I also have FoS on youngminii but I wouldn't really lynch him yet, and I find it weird how they are ignoring that Ace was also tried to get people to bandwagon for Aeres, but his name is not being mentioned when he's essentially doing the same thing that they are lynching youngminii for.
5. It seems that youngminii and doctorH are defending each other, another thing I find suspicious
6. I don't agree with fishing for inactives is a bad thing. With all these back and forth going on between you guys, the inactives are left out of the spotlight: a perfect place for mafia to hide. Also, inactives makes any kind of post analysis useless on them. For now, I'll vote Veldril.
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sorry but point 1 is a bit incomplete so I'm reposting it again
Time to give my input on things.
1. LAL is a BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD policy. What is important is not that they lied or what they lied about, but their reasons for lying aka their motive. As inifitestory pointed out, Aeres' motives are pretty straightforward, which is why I have FoS on people wanting to start a bandwagon on him. Although I do find Aeres martyring himself as fishy.
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