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On November 04 2010 12:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:10 Ace wrote:On November 04 2010 11:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I say we lynch Ace and KtheZ if pandain flips blue. If he flips red we lynch Nemesis and Deconduo.
that's why we should use a vig hit IMO Excuse me? Explain sir. I'm not impressed with your "scumhunting" in this game, you're basically picking the weakest targets. I feel like if mafia were going to hit any experienced player it would be you first and you didn't roleclaim to bumatlarge even though he was probably the surest blue in the game and the only one you could PM with (to our knowledge) If you're mafia you'd also be the ideal person to save with a bus. It comes down to the lynch turnout but if pandain turns blue I don't have a better target besides perhaps infinitestory.
How is picking Pandain weak when you yourself pointed out he was scummy? Bum and I BOTH agreed he was fishy. Several other players also said Pandain was scummy. So please do explain how me saying Pandain is scummy means I'm picking on a weak player. If he's playing like obvious Scum then guess what - he's probably Scum. You seem to be trying to save face with every lynch by saying "well if we're wrong, look at this person!". You pegged Pandain as scum also so how does that make me Scummy and you innocent?
Also that's a WIFOM argument. If any experienced player is going to be protected it would probably be me and the circle never ends. There have also been many games where I've actually lived till Day 3 and was innocent. So what's your reasoning for that?
Secondly why would I roleclaim to bum? Everyone who knows how I play KNOWS I don't roleclaim unless I have to. I also do not share information unless people have to know. So why would I role claim to bum? I never knew if he was innocent, and you can also see in my private messages I said I don't know if he's a Scum Mason. So once again, explain WHY would I roleclaim to an unconfirmed townie? Bum was not the surest blue in the game so stop lying. The ONLY thing we knew about him was that he claimed Mason.
Lastly, there isn't a wagon or pressure on me so where does bussing come into play? Are you trying to undermine me in hopes of setting up a future lynch? Also explain how infinitestory is a better target if Pandain flips blue, when you just claimed we should lynch KtheZ if Pandain flips blue.
You are being really wishy-washy. In fact it looks like you'd rather lynch any of us pushing Pandain's lynch as if you KNOW he's going to flip innocent.
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Well Doc, you guessed it. Coag was right, I am just trying to save him. Because any real mafia would go to that length to save a teammate who has given up like coag has...
And how does it waste lynches? YOu have already stated that you want to lynch pandain and you seem sure he is mafia, why can't you lynch him today and me tomorrow? I mean if I'm lying then you lynch 2 reds(panda/me) - then coag so 3 reds overall, if I am telling the truth you lynch a red(panda) and one other dies as well(coag) as another scummy player(not sure yet) and me. Seems like it is much better for the town that way, if we just do it your way(coag/panda) then you just get the same result as me lying except you don't know if Im red or blue
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I bet Doc's next argument is "because you have a defiler icon, you must be Scum!"
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On November 04 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:
I bet Doc's next argument is "because you have a defiler icon, you must be Scum!"
zerg icon = auto scum ..
Im not sure about what 666 is trying to say.. is he saying he gives up also or he being sarcastic about being mafia
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On November 04 2010 12:28 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:
I bet Doc's next argument is "because you have a defiler icon, you must be Scum!" zerg icon = auto scum .. Im not sure about what 666 is trying to say.. is he saying he gives up also or he being sarcastic about being mafia
phew, thank god i dont have a zerg icon anymore
hes being sarcastic btw
also, if dc turns out to be mafia, and we follow his plan, he just handed himself to us on a silver platter o_o although in that case we would also lose some townies probably
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On November 04 2010 12:24 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 04 2010 12:10 Ace wrote:On November 04 2010 11:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I say we lynch Ace and KtheZ if pandain flips blue. If he flips red we lynch Nemesis and Deconduo.
that's why we should use a vig hit IMO Excuse me? Explain sir. I'm not impressed with your "scumhunting" in this game, you're basically picking the weakest targets. I feel like if mafia were going to hit any experienced player it would be you first and you didn't roleclaim to bumatlarge even though he was probably the surest blue in the game and the only one you could PM with (to our knowledge) If you're mafia you'd also be the ideal person to save with a bus. It comes down to the lynch turnout but if pandain turns blue I don't have a better target besides perhaps infinitestory. How is picking Pandain weak when you yourself pointed out he was scummy? Bum and I BOTH agreed he was fishy. Several other players also said Pandain was scummy. So please do explain how me saying Pandain is scummy means I'm picking on a weak player. If he's playing like obvious Scum then guess what - he's probably Scum. You seem to be trying to save face with every lynch by saying "well if we're wrong, look at this person!". You pegged Pandain as scum also so how does that make me Scummy and you innocent? It doesn't, I want to lynch Pandain. I want a vig to hit him tonight. He is my #2 suspect, I've never gone back on thisAlso that's a WIFOM argument. If any experienced player is going to be protected it would probably be me and the circle never ends. There have also been many games where I've actually lived till Day 3 and was innocent. So what's your reasoning for that? Secondly why would I roleclaim to bum? Everyone who knows how I play KNOWS I don't roleclaim unless I have to. I also do not share information unless people have to know. So why would I role claim to bum? I never knew if he was innocent, and you can also see in my private messages I said I don't know if he's a Scum Mason. So once again, explain WHY would I roleclaim to an unconfirmed townie? Bum was not the surest blue in the game so stop lying. The ONLY thing we knew about him was that he claimed Mason. I felt he was the surest blue in the game. I just feel a bit suspicious of you, I'm not lying. Who was the surest blue in the game? IMO bumatlarge was, that's how I percieved it. That's not a lie.Lastly, there isn't a wagon or pressure on me so where does bussing come into play? Are you trying to undermine me in hopes of setting up a future lynch? Also explain how infinitestory is a better target if Pandain flips blue, when you just claimed we should lynch KtheZ if Pandain flips blue. No. I want to lynch Pandain. I feel like if Pandain wasn't the mafia behind the bandwagon attacks on me, then InfiniteStory was. At least he had the sense to back off when it was clear the arguments weren't working while Pandains tenacity is consistent with his previous games where he was a townie who was just really bad at scumhunting. I think Pandain is mafia and I certainly want him lynched. That hasn't changed.You are being really wishy-washy. In fact it looks like you'd rather lynch any of us pushing Pandain's lynch as if you KNOW he's going to flip innocent. Pandain is my #2 choice, I want him vig killed or lynched. I haven't gone back on this, I'm just willing to consider the possibility that he isn't mafia. I'm a little bit nervous because I think we're at the point where making a mistake as a town will result in an inevitable defeat and I guess it's making me seem a little wishy-washy.
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On November 04 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:
I bet Doc's next argument is "because you have a defiler icon, you must be Scum!"
I'm not calling you scum I'm just saying I don't feel confident in you. Your defense is really aggressive 
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On November 04 2010 12:28 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:27 Ace wrote:
I bet Doc's next argument is "because you have a defiler icon, you must be Scum!" zerg icon = auto scum .. Im not sure about what 666 is trying to say.. is he saying he gives up also or he being sarcastic about being mafia
DC can't be scum, he was "foresaw" by Node to be dead. I assume that counts as a mafia kill. Mafia won't target their own as a target. Then Node is lying?
DC please restate that confusing post of yours.
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On November 04 2010 12:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Well Doc, you guessed it. Coag was right, I am just trying to save him. Because any real mafia would go to that length to save a teammate who has given up like coag has...
And how does it waste lynches? YOu have already stated that you want to lynch pandain and you seem sure he is mafia, why can't you lynch him today and me tomorrow? I mean if I'm lying then you lynch 2 reds(panda/me) - then coag so 3 reds overall, if I am telling the truth you lynch a red(panda) and one other dies as well(coag) as another scummy player(not sure yet) and me. Seems like it is much better for the town that way, if we just do it your way(coag/panda) then you just get the same result as me lying except you don't know if Im red or blue
You're right. I'm trying to consider what kind of advantage mafia could get from doing this and there isn't one. Why go to that length to save coagulation who is clearly their worst player?
I'll switch my vote to Pandain. I say we go with DC's plan.
what's preventing mafia from hitting you and blowing up your bombs preemptively? Does your bomb switch occur before a hit does?
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On November 04 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Well Doc, you guessed it. Coag was right, I am just trying to save him. Because any real mafia would go to that length to save a teammate who has given up like coag has...
And how does it waste lynches? YOu have already stated that you want to lynch pandain and you seem sure he is mafia, why can't you lynch him today and me tomorrow? I mean if I'm lying then you lynch 2 reds(panda/me) - then coag so 3 reds overall, if I am telling the truth you lynch a red(panda) and one other dies as well(coag) as another scummy player(not sure yet) and me. Seems like it is much better for the town that way, if we just do it your way(coag/panda) then you just get the same result as me lying except you don't know if Im red or blue
You're right. I'm trying to consider what kind of advantage mafia could get from doing this and there isn't one. Why go to that length to save coagulation who is clearly their worst player? I'll switch my vote to Pandain. I say we go with DC's plan. what's preventing mafia from hitting you and blowing up your bombs preemptively? Does your bomb switch occur before a hit does?
this is a good question to ask
i have a feeling the bomb switch will occur first, but we should get it clarified
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Of course my defense is aggressive. I know I'm innocent, have been making sound arguments for Pandain's lynch and you say I should be lynched if he flips blue.
Surely you'd be a bit perturbed if someone is talking about putting the noose around your neck.
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On November 04 2010 12:21 Coagulation wrote:
i did the edit to put pic in spoiler so i dont shit up the thread too much
First and only warning
No bigge, just don't do it again without asking for permission
I'm just wondering, what if a banling came in and saw this thread? Half of us would get temp banned
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I wonder how long we can argue over this; We still have like 34 hours left.
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Fair enough. You're probably the most valuable scumhunter we have.
Can I ask you who you would want lynched if Pandain ended up blue? If that is the case I think Pandain would have been manipulated into his aggressive stance throughout the game. Mafia in games against him (in brownbears game where i was mafia and in haunted where I observed mafia) both decided to take full advantage of his gullibility and how easy it is to manipulate him.
I guess that's why I would look at InfiniteStory cause IS seems to fit that role better than anyone.
I hope there are more DT's and that we have some good information after the night is over.
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options as I see them
(my plan)lynch pandain today, me tomorrow so that I can kill coag and another scummy player instead of someone else
If I am lying well you are lynching me and pandain who doc wants to lynch anyways, and then you lynch coag. So the town is still lynching reds every vote (presuming pandain is red, which doc seems to believe)
Or you do docs plan which is to lynch Coag, then pandain. I lose a bomb and lose my effectiveness because I only get a vig hit when I die, so there is no 2for1 when lynching me.
Mad hatter is a role I have never seen on a mafia, and I am asking you guys to lynch me tomorrow. What is there to lose?
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Gah you guys post to fast - that was in response to LD
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I'm switching over to your boat just so you know, already changed my vote.
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If Pandain flipped blue I'd look at anyone else who tried to undermine your original campaign too.
I'd also look at the people who voted for you, and you yourself. I'm just as suspicious of you as you are of me. Before the lynch comes around you seem sure, but then you get a bit wishy-washy.
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I'm not a very confident townie and I'll admit I'm a bit easily persuaded. I'm sticking with my convictions in this case and I think you'll find that I've always come back to my senses. I stuck with Aeres and I'm sticking to Pandain now.
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On November 04 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:24 DCLXVI wrote:
Well Doc, you guessed it. Coag was right, I am just trying to save him. Because any real mafia would go to that length to save a teammate who has given up like coag has...
And how does it waste lynches? YOu have already stated that you want to lynch pandain and you seem sure he is mafia, why can't you lynch him today and me tomorrow? I mean if I'm lying then you lynch 2 reds(panda/me) - then coag so 3 reds overall, if I am telling the truth you lynch a red(panda) and one other dies as well(coag) as another scummy player(not sure yet) and me. Seems like it is much better for the town that way, if we just do it your way(coag/panda) then you just get the same result as me lying except you don't know if Im red or blue
You're right. I'm trying to consider what kind of advantage mafia could get from doing this and there isn't one. Why go to that length to save coagulation who is clearly their worst player? I'll switch my vote to Pandain. I say we go with DC's plan. what's preventing mafia from hitting you and blowing up your bombs preemptively? Does your bomb switch occur before a hit does?
I'm sorry doc, but you seem to be all over the place now. You are even suspecting DC who was saved by a medic from a mafia hit, and you seem so set that mafia had to have set up that huge shithole in day 2 against you and even pointing inifinitestory who will most likely be confirmed tonight.
Considering all possible situations are fine, but you seem to be running around in a circle of WIFOM right now.
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