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On October 13 2010 09:11 annul wrote:
you STILL haven't changed that spreadsheet. wow.
once again, i never "defended lankill" beyond saying to you that YOU fucked up in calling him out on things when he still hasn't made a single post in the game.
if orgo is this loose with his spreadsheet after being called out on his inconsistencies like 12 hours ago (including this specific one), then i do not know how useful it is at all for anyone.
Lol, I'm making a compilation of every action - regardless of source. If you disagree with it, then don't use it.
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Oh, and I did fix anything people pointed out. Doesn't mean I'm going to remove things just because someone doesn't like it though 
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On October 13 2010 09:26 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 09:18 orgolove wrote:Oh, and I did fix anything people pointed out. Doesn't mean I'm going to remove things just because someone doesn't like it though i agree that you have your right but a few "wordings" would lead to miss understand later on. I think you should keep the information but fix the word "defending". I dont use that spreadsheet of yours so i personally dont care... Just wana say that the guy got his point. People... please noticed how many times pandain is trying to avoid to explain himself.....
On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important  Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions.
I fixed both.
And you're right, Pandein, just like Bill Murray, continues to avoid answering questions about their true allegiances.
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List of changed votes, in order of who they started to vote:
aztrorisk: shmotz--> masq
coagulation: seraph-->masq
jodogohoo: seraph-->LSB--> coagulation--> youngminii--> coagulation--> Veldril
pandain: Pandain--> Masq --> HeavOnEarth
Lexpar: Masq-->Veldril
jaminz: Veldril --> Bill Murray
jcarlsoniv: Veldril--> masq
youngminii: jodogohoo--> Veldril
seRapH: coagulation--> masq
Bill Murray: coagulation--> Veldril --> orgolove --> Veldril --> kingjames01 --> Pandain --> masq
Kpyolysis32: Kenpachi --> HeavOnEarth
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And @ Pandain: lol no need to get your pants in a twist just because I didn't go with your rolefishing.
It appears both you and Bill have done the same thing, as I got a similar PM asking for my list of suspicions.
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So... you "lurked" for 2 weeks after making an account in a STARCRAFT FORUM. You didn't post even once on any of the sc forums. Then you made your first post in a mafia forum despite not knowing what it's about?
On October 12 2010 07:42 MetalFace wrote:
Maybe this is a dumb question, but when/where/how do we vote who to lynch?
I don't buy it.
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Anyway, in case I die, here's a list of people who have some/any incriminating evidence against them - or at least have something to hide. It's not that I'm accusing them - I'm keeping this information here for future discussion if I'm offed tonight.
Final spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html
1. questions raised from voting patterns
Bill Murray Changed vote 7 times
jodogohoo Changed vote 6 times
KtheZ Voted Shmotz early on, claimed to use random number generator, but his vote matches with LastArgument, who also has not explained his vote.
quickstriker no explanation of his vote vs thegilaboy other than claiming a "personal grudge" - given the importance of votes, it seems he doesn't care who dies and is trying to hid this by masking it
~opz~ Voted goldfishs before even reading the main thread, as he claims in the voting thread (link: here). apparently doesn't care who dies
Therick Voted Masq without posting anything in the main thread
Hyperbola voted for masq, but accused thegilaboy in his only post in the main thread
Siniquity voted for masq without posting anything in the main thread
Hittegods voted for masq, but accused jodogohoo in his only post in the main thread
2. questions raised from posting record in the thread
coagulation
+ Show Spoiler +coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason Oh by the way, I didn't realize someone who appears (or tries to appear) so clueless can speak all the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:
well who are the blues??
On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:25 NB wrote:
he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.=
he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules.... sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote:
orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation.
im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible.
jodogohoo
+ Show Spoiler +A quick look at Jodogohoo: summary - changed vote multiple times 1st day, supported bill murray, and now supports coagulation Details: Vote history:On October 11 2010 13:16 jodogohoo wrote:
seRaPh On October 11 2010 13:42 jodogohoo wrote:
change my vote to LSB On October 11 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote:
lol sure why not! change to coagulation On October 11 2010 15:04 jodogohoo wrote:
uhh change to youngminii On October 12 2010 01:54 jodogohoo wrote:
change to coagulation!!! On October 12 2010 02:33 jodogohoo wrote:
change to Veldril That's a total of 6 vote changes in the span of one day. Post history:(not all) On October 11 2010 15:02 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:01 youngminii wrote:
aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant
wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz
wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent
but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz
this is confusing we should kill this guy On October 12 2010 07:47 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
ALL
LIARS LYNCH EVERYONE! On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote:
what about kenpachi itachi driving =( I don't know if he's so young that he can't make up his mind, or if he's not experienced enough to make his bandwagoning so transparent.
Bill Murray
+ Show Spoiler +It appears he was against Veldril from very early in the game. And now he's going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote. On top of that he tried to protect masq at the same time. On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Masq voting for Veldril...
Very interesting. Not sure what to think about this. O_o He's trying to save his own ass, which indicates poorer play than Veldril. Couple that with SR's case, and even mine on Veldril and he needs to die. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:36 LSB wrote:On October 12 2010 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Masq voting for Veldril...
Very interesting. Not sure what to think about this. O_o Either A) Veldril is scum and supported Masq cause he knows/thinks that Masq is townie B) Veldril is scumbuddy and Masq wants to cut associations with him C) Masq just wants to survive, and is voting for the next highest person. because he is scum, and would rather bus a partner than die Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:50 LSB wrote:On October 12 2010 09:41 YummyBlaBla wrote:
Or maybe it's just mind games to play on us townies Oh wait, if its a mind game, that probably means that Veldril is scum and they want to muddle the waters into a giant mess of WIFORM. But maybe Masq is scum and he just wants us to come to this conclusion, and by doing this we'll waste a lynch as Veldril will be falsly accused Or Or Or.... mind explodes+ Show Spoiler +Sorry just had to do that There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. I wonder what convinced him to be so sure... And the blackmailing? On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
ALL
LIARS Mhmm...
youngminii
+ Show Spoiler +He at first tried to appear as noob: On October 11 2010 10:07 youngminii wrote:
what is mafia? On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote:
whats a haunted zombie but then actively participated. He has a lot of posts that accuse many different people, and apparently doesn't care about who actually dies: On October 11 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. sounds like a good plan lets do it /night On October 11 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote:
don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead.
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On October 13 2010 12:09 LastArgument wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 11:54 orgolove wrote:Anyway, in case I die, here's a list of people who have some/any incriminating evidence against them - or at least have something to hide. It's not that I'm accusing them - I'm keeping this information here for future discussion if I'm offed tonight. Final spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html1. questions raised from voting patternsBill Murray Changed vote 7 times jodogohoo Changed vote 6 times KtheZ Voted Shmotz early on, claimed to use random number generator, but his vote matches with LastArgument, who also has not explained his vote. quickstriker no explanation of his vote vs thegilaboy other than claiming a "personal grudge" - given the importance of votes, it seems he doesn't care who dies and is trying to hid this by masking it ~opz~ Voted goldfishs before even reading the main thread, as he claims in the voting thread (link: here). apparently doesn't care who dies Therick Voted Masq without posting anything in the main thread Hyperbola voted for masq, but accused thegilaboy in his only post in the main thread Siniquity voted for masq without posting anything in the main thread Hittegods voted for masq, but accused jodogohoo in his only post in the main thread 2. questions raised from posting record in the threadcoagulation + Show Spoiler +coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason Oh by the way, I didn't realize someone who appears (or tries to appear) so clueless can speak all the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:
well who are the blues??
On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:25 NB wrote:
he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.=
he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules.... sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote:
orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation.
im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible.
A quick look at Jodogohoo: summary - changed vote multiple times 1st day, supported bill murray, and now supports coagulation Details: Vote history:On October 11 2010 13:16 jodogohoo wrote:
seRaPh On October 11 2010 13:42 jodogohoo wrote:
change my vote to LSB On October 11 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote:
lol sure why not! change to coagulation On October 11 2010 15:04 jodogohoo wrote:
uhh change to youngminii On October 12 2010 01:54 jodogohoo wrote:
change to coagulation!!! On October 12 2010 02:33 jodogohoo wrote:
change to Veldril That's a total of 6 vote changes in the span of one day. Post history:(not all) On October 11 2010 15:02 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:01 youngminii wrote:
aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant
wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz
wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent
but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz
this is confusing we should kill this guy On October 12 2010 07:47 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
ALL
LIARS LYNCH EVERYONE! On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote:
what about kenpachi itachi driving =( I don't know if he's so young that he can't make up his mind, or if he's not experienced enough to make his bandwagoning so transparent. It appears he was against Veldril from very early in the game. And now he's going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote. On top of that he tried to protect masq at the same time. On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Masq voting for Veldril...
Very interesting. Not sure what to think about this. O_o He's trying to save his own ass, which indicates poorer play than Veldril. Couple that with SR's case, and even mine on Veldril and he needs to die. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:36 LSB wrote:On October 12 2010 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Masq voting for Veldril...
Very interesting. Not sure what to think about this. O_o Either A) Veldril is scum and supported Masq cause he knows/thinks that Masq is townie B) Veldril is scumbuddy and Masq wants to cut associations with him C) Masq just wants to survive, and is voting for the next highest person. because he is scum, and would rather bus a partner than die Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:50 LSB wrote:On October 12 2010 09:41 YummyBlaBla wrote:
Or maybe it's just mind games to play on us townies Oh wait, if its a mind game, that probably means that Veldril is scum and they want to muddle the waters into a giant mess of WIFORM. But maybe Masq is scum and he just wants us to come to this conclusion, and by doing this we'll waste a lynch as Veldril will be falsly accused Or Or Or.... mind explodes+ Show Spoiler +Sorry just had to do that There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa
we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. I wonder what convinced him to be so sure... And the blackmailing? On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
ALL
LIARS Mhmm... He at first tried to appear as noob: On October 11 2010 10:07 youngminii wrote:
what is mafia? On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote:
whats a haunted zombie but then actively participated. He has a lot of posts that accuse many different people, and apparently doesn't care about who actually dies: On October 11 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. sounds like a good plan lets do it /night On October 11 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote:
don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead. I explained my vote in my first post =(
Oh, must've missed that. Sorry - taking it off. (but I can't edit the original post D
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On October 13 2010 13:08 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT WAS NOT LUCK
THAT WAS ME.
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On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote:
Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq
On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:Show nested quote +
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating.
On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
ALL
LIARS
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Hm, every mafia game I played, no discussion was allowed during the night. Odd.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html
Now that Bill's gone, it's prudent to bring up the list again.
1. questions raised from voting patterns
jodogohoo Changed vote 6 times
KtheZ Voted Shmotz early on, claimed to use random number generator, but his vote matches with LastArgument, who also has not explained his vote.
quickstriker no explanation of his vote vs thegilaboy other than claiming a "personal grudge" - given the importance of votes, it seems he doesn't care who dies and is trying to hid this by masking it
~opz~ Voted goldfishs before even reading the main thread, as he claims in the voting thread (link: here). apparently doesn't care who dies
Therick Voted Masq without posting anything in the main thread
Hyperbola voted for masq, but accused thegilaboy in his only post in the main thread
Siniquity voted for masq without posting anything in the main thread
Hittegods voted for masq, but accused jodogohoo in his only post in the main thread
2. questions raised from posting record in the thread
coagulation
+ Show Spoiler +coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason Oh by the way, I didn't realize someone who appears (or tries to appear) so clueless can speak all the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:
well who are the blues??
On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:25 NB wrote:
he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.=
he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules.... sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote:
orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation.
im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible.
jodogohoo
+ Show Spoiler +A quick look at Jodogohoo: summary - changed vote multiple times 1st day, supported bill murray, and now supports coagulation Details: Vote history:On October 11 2010 13:16 jodogohoo wrote:
seRaPh On October 11 2010 13:42 jodogohoo wrote:
change my vote to LSB On October 11 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote:
lol sure why not! change to coagulation On October 11 2010 15:04 jodogohoo wrote:
uhh change to youngminii On October 12 2010 01:54 jodogohoo wrote:
change to coagulation!!! On October 12 2010 02:33 jodogohoo wrote:
change to Veldril That's a total of 6 vote changes in the span of one day. Post history:(not all) On October 11 2010 15:02 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:01 youngminii wrote:
aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant
wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz
wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent
but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz
this is confusing we should kill this guy On October 12 2010 07:47 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote:
aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL
LYNCH
ALL
LIARS LYNCH EVERYONE! On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote:
what about kenpachi itachi driving =( I don't know if he's so young that he can't make up his mind, or if he's not experienced enough to make his bandwagoning so transparent.
youngminii
+ Show Spoiler +He at first tried to appear as noob: On October 11 2010 10:07 youngminii wrote:
what is mafia? On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote:
whats a haunted zombie but then actively participated. He has a lot of posts that accuse many different people, and apparently doesn't care about who actually dies: On October 11 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. sounds like a good plan lets do it /night On October 11 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote:
don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead.
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Scratch Lastargument from the list - forgot to delete him
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Hmm yes, all I get for spending the effort is PM harassment 0.0 Seeing as how most of you don't need it, I'm not going to update it anymore. Have fun.
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It was a fun little experiment - data driven analysis. But it's far too much work for one person, especially on a 60 person game. I give up.
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I don't believe coagulation to be a green one bit. Someone who lies and cheats like him cannot be trusted.
coagulation
+ Show Spoiler +coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote:
why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote:
omg i found incriminating evidence against myself
DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one.
better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason He tried to appear so clueless but spoke the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:
well who are the blues??
On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:25 NB wrote:
he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.=
he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules.... sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote:
orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation.
im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible.
Plus his voting history. He was one of the first ones to vote against seraph, only switching his vote at the last second to masq once it became apparent he was going to fall. (note the times between his posts)
Post # 21 in the voting thread:
On October 11 2010 17:17 Coagulation wrote:seraPh
On October 13 2010 05:05 Coagulation wrote:
unvote seraph
vote masq
This also ties in with his early bandwagoning against Seraph.
Finally, there's that small matter of roleclaiming as zombie in the first day. Really...? Just how transparent can you get?
Besides, anyone who is playing in a mafia game for the first time, is almost NEVER as engaged as you are right now. ESPECIALLY if they actually are regular townsfolk without any special roles.
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Lawl Tunnel Vision alert!
1. You claimed to be playing in a mafia game for the first time, and yet you use the mafia jargon of a seasoned veteran.
2.You roleclaimed as a zombie in the first day. Now, would someone who really is playing mafia, and an INTERNET mafia game, for the FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIFE, have over 70 posts before even the first day ends? In fact, considering that you claim that you have a "useless" role (you even said it yourself), I bet a real first-time mafia would find it extremely difficult to have any enthusiasm for the game. And yet here you are - 70 posts later, as a first time mafia participant and, as you claim, a zombie.
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Er, I responded to coagulation, in case you didn't notice.
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You want evidence?
Here's the posts where coagulation claims to be a zombie:
On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote:
how does the town communicate their roles to each other ??
On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:
well who are the blues??
On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 05:56 seRapH wrote:if you're a zombie then lynching you day 1 does zero harm. you should expect to lynch a green day 1, just by general probability and red interference. lynching reds day 1 is extremely lucky. lynching blues day 1 is not well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame.
On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 06:25 NB wrote:
he has 1k9 posts for god shake.... its so clear that he is joking around.... =.=
he cant possibly go around accusing people before reading the rules.... sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days.
And his 70+ posts so far:
Really? Would a REAL first timer and a REAL zombie have such enthusiasm to become perhaps the most active poster in the thread before even the first night ended?
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On October 14 2010 12:14 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
You pick up terms and stuff so fast if you read the guides on the basics of how to play
If coagulation really read the basics of how to play, he would have clearly avoided what's listed as one of the most common tells of non-townies:
JEEP's Tells for Finding Mafia
Voting each other while FOSing (Finger of Suspicion) a non-mafia. This is very common.
link:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia
Look at the history between seraph and coagulation. First, their voting:
seRapH
On October 11 2010 13:48 seRapH wrote:
coagulation. hang the terrorist! On October 12 2010 23:36 seRapH wrote:
##Unvote Coagulation
##Vote Masq
CoagulationOn October 11 2010 17:17 Coagulation wrote:seraPh On October 13 2010 05:05 Coagulation wrote:
unvote seraph
vote masq
Both of them voted against each other, and only changed their votes towards the very end when a lynch was becoming apparent.
Despite his vote, coagulation showed no effort towards bringing suspicion on seraph, and in fact has stopped mentioning him altogether in his posts after the first 12 hour period. Instead he's been pointing fingers left and right:
On October 13 2010 11:52 Coagulation wrote:
PANDAIN IS MAFIA
BILL IS VAMPIRE
On October 13 2010 07:06 Coagulation wrote:
i think masq would be our best bet for lynch.
What's even more damning is seraph also has -zero- posts where he mentions coagulation beyond his last comment, where he shows he really didn't have any good reason to vote for coagulation:
On October 11 2010 15:15 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:12 Coagulation wrote:On October 11 2010 15:09 seRapH wrote:On October 11 2010 15:07 seRapH wrote:On October 11 2010 15:02 jodogohoo wrote:On October 11 2010 15:01 youngminii wrote:
aztro you realise if shmotz is actually scum you just signed your own death warrant
wait but then that would be obvious because if shmotz kills you at night then we would suspect shmotz
wait but if scum kills you in order to frame shmotz we'd all think shmotz is scum and we'd end up lynching an innocent
but what if shmotz knew that and actually decided to kill you anyway in the hopes that town would think scum is trying to frame shmotz
this is confusing we should kill this guy i hope you're not actually serious -.- what i meant by this is that at least he's reminding people that their "analysis" is mostly pointless at this point in the game. which is, imo, semi-helpful then why on earth did you vote me?? because you're a terrorist. i'm sorry, i'm american and react badly to terrorists. give me a reason to trust you (such as contributing a valuable analysis) and maybe i'll change my mind.
Go ahead, look through their posts. I can wait.
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lawl resorting to personal attacks, are you? Stop trying to draw the attention from yourself - The connection between you and seraph is very real.
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@Kpylosis: That was posted BEFORE the last post I mentioned. Look at the time.
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