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On October 16 2010 01:34 ShmotZ wrote:
Hey, i have a question. The clues for this day if you were baseing the clues on somebodys profile, but a player got replaced, would you use clues from the replacement players profile or from the previoius players profile?
Just asking because i think i see a frilldora hat in Bill Murrays picture. And it might make sense lol, the hat for mafia, and the fact he raised a shitstorm "the bad smell".
If we already stopped going off on clues then i also have another suggestion. We go ahead and lynch Veldril or Bill Murray's replacement.
Reason for Veldril : We already know by the way he's been acting that somethings very wrong with him. If he turns out to be vampire we lower a KP by 1 and he turns out to be Mafia we even the odds for both sides.
Bill Murray's replacement *i think Glurio?* : Lynching Glurio would reveal Murray's true intentions if he was actually for the town or for the mafia/vamps.And if he was JoL like Murray claimed hopefully the bombs would go off on good suspects. If he turns out to be red, we can base our next assumptions off of that by who he assosiated with closely.
Id rather go off what we know and just Lynch Veldril since its more than likely hes a red and the less red there are, the closer we get to our goal.
I'm advocating Veldril over Glurio, albeit simply for the reason that it's not entirely fair to Glurio to lynch him the first day he gets to play for events that were completely out of his control.
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Daaaaaamn, Pandain. Nice analysis, sir.
On October 16 2010 03:37 Lexpar wrote:
Yeah it seems like Veldril's gonna get lynched now no matter what. We're gonna have problems if he's a vamp though. Mafia is pulling ahead a little to much for comfort.
Mafia's taken a very backseat role, it seems. They're comfortable just sitting here letting the town vamp-hunt. However, it's not a problem if Veldril is (as I believe) a vampire. One more vamp dies, they're down from 3 KP to 2, which is a huge benefit to town.
After today's lynch, lets start looking at the lurkers and see who's the most scummy, because I bet you that's where mafia is hiding currently, eating popcorn and laughing at the hapless vampire team.
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On October 16 2010 04:54 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 04:47 Nemesis wrote:
No actually town needs to kil at least 8 vampires and 8 mafia, not 4 of each. uh yeah, if you bothered to read what i had to say you would see that i am not talking about town's win condition on its own, i am talking about the fact that mafia CANNOT win without the town winning once we kill 4 more of them and we have more than 13 total players
...what?
There are 10 mafia and 8 vamps left, IIRC.
To win, town needs to drop mafia and vamp count down to 3 per team or less, BEFORE one team drops to zero.
I'm failing to see your point here.
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On October 16 2010 05:09 annul wrote:
with 11 mafia and 11 vampires, in order for mafia to win, they need to get vampires down to 0
if mafia gets vampires down to 0 with no losses, then that means 12 total red killed. in order for town to win, then, we need to kill 4 more mafia before that happens.
so what i am saying is, everyone who says that it is bad to kill another vampire should be looked at closely, because with all the blue roles and the like, what are the odds that we do not kill 4 mafia before they manage to take out 8 vampires? not to mention as the game progresses if vampires get really low then all the clues will continue to be mafia clues, and the game balances out anyway
See, but this number 12 doesn't mean anything. You just pulled it out of your ass.
Nowhere in the OP does it say 12 scumkills = victory.
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Sometimes it matters for meta, but that's usually a pretty shaky argument, especially given the number of people here who have played 0-1 games on TL before.
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On October 16 2010 06:53 Pandain wrote:
Dr. H, does mafia/vampire always have to use their 3 kp?
In most games, they are allowed to not hit if they so choose. Of course, Dr. H might have something else planned ^^
Generally, though, it's in their best interest to go out a-whackin' every night. Unless they've got some super-weird crazy-ass plan cooking.
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Although, to be fair, signing up is kind of a contract that you will be around the entire time to play, so isn't leaving kind of a breach of that contract?
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On October 16 2010 09:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 09:04 Divinek wrote:
like are all of you so naive to think someone would openly protect a member of their own faction so blatantly?
it's TERRIBLE reasoning that almost never leads to a correct lynch. Who knows maybe we'll get lucky and lynch a mafia but the odds of veldril being vampire are sooo slim just based on how he acted about masq and the general consensus of everyone wagoning him so easily.
it's impossible for me to fingering anyone because you're all sheeping on this without looking at the grand scheme of things and instead trying LOOK for ways to paint him red -_-
Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:37 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote:
RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here.
1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something.
2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum.
3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. I'm one of the people who stood by my vote for Masq since the beginning, and I noticed something, which may be a coincidence. Everytime we zoned in on Masq, something happened to made ppl lose focus. First it was Veldril, then azo, and so on. All the while Masq is saying NOTHING, but voting. And it's easy to go and defend Masq when there's way you'll be lynched before the end of day. And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote:
ebwop
by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq add to the fact that like 75% of this game are new players, so of course they could be prone to mistakes. What, do you think vampires would just let their bretheren fall without any attempt of saving them?
If you're playing scum properly, then yes, actually, this is a standard scum tactic (also known as bussing, or throwing someone under a bus). The fact that Veldril is new, and defended someone he logically shouldn't care for, makes it far more likely he made a newbie mistake than any other explanation.
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Too late, we're lynching Veldril today. Get in line. No reason we can't have mob justice like civilized people 
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This discussion is getting pretty risque.
Also, Glasse: <3 you ^^ That type of thinking will get you far in mafia. Pretty sure Kpyolysis is the connection to the clue, though, not me.
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Not necessarily! Ghosts could be awesome!
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On October 17 2010 05:14 Coagulation wrote:I THINK DRH IS A RED
OH SHIT THIS GAME JUST GOT BROKE WIDE OPEN.
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