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On October 06 2010 08:14 cSc wrote: If you don't have enough information to make an educated vote, is it better to go with the majority, or vote randomly? use your own brain please | ||
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On October 06 2010 10:05 BrownBear wrote: Anyone who says Protact's real name in thread gets a modkill. Just sayin' i think it's a bit ridiculous that some people know. If someone was to smurf i really think either everyone or no one should know | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:19 infinitestory wrote: I stated the exact reason. If village threatens to kill village idiot, mafia's only option to stay in the game is to kill the village idiot at night. I know full well the win condition of the village idiot, and it is the EXACT reason the mafia should feel compelled to carry out the dirty work of removing him. oh, and i meant Bill Murray voted for you :/ I was feeling sad about having to vote on day 1 without evidence, but your reply which is a blatant invective rather than an attempt to cooperate/defend self has caused me to lose sympathy. I apologize if this is unfounded or wrong, but making personal attacks on each other in the beginning is one of the hallmarks of a player who is unhelpful in the long run, from my experience. rofl why would they do that? The mafia knows town loses too so there is no way in hell town is gonna lynch VI deliberately just so both sides lose. That has to be the worst argument I've ever seen | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:59 infinitestory wrote: I want to say that sacks a very valuable DT, but especially to reveal poisoner that's definitely worth it. I'm not so sure about revealing roleblocker, because roleblocker's own ability is far more situational to the reds. @Divinek: The primary reason is that the mafia do not win if town dies. If town loses by VI, mafia also loses by VI. Don't say you didn't consider that. Your counterargument was stated at least twice previously, and better ones have been suggested. the whole point is town is not going to purposely lose, even if it makes mafia lose. Town's goal is to win, mafia's goal is to win. Town would never, ever lynch VI on puprose because they'd literally have to be retarded. So that's a pointless threat. If the VI is ever publically known then they're just a paper weight because every one would know they're trying to die and mafia could kill them whenever it is convenient. | ||
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On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled. Not voting: bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail Not posted nor voted: XeliN, JeeJee Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\ i find it hard to imagine the host would mod kill 1/3rd of the game. Of course the people that didnt post and vote should die. However with the post but no vote....i wish there was a reasonable way to punish these people without ending the game. Like add them to the ban list and let them continue in this game? lol, i dont know, it's annoying when people can't take 2 minutes out of the day to even throw a random vote on just incase because i know people do have lives. Can we hit them with static instead of a full on lightning bolt | ||
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On October 06 2010 12:58 Crisis_ wrote: Sort of. But I'm really not red, rofl. saying that is like not posting at all. So please don't waste your text | ||
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On October 06 2010 22:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Hey Happy.. the game is still on .. reaad. yeah but he's not in it anymore lol | ||
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On October 07 2010 11:10 LSB wrote: Divinek: Activity from Divinek is always fairly strange, it's just sending up some strange flags for me. Activity based, Divienk is more of the lurker/bandwagoner type. just so we can show that lsb never does his homework http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Divinek&gb=date&p=2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Divinek&gb=date&p=3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Divinek&gb=date&p=4 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Divinek&gb=date&p=5 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Divinek&gb=date&p=6 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Divinek&gb=date&p=7  , it's okay im lazy too | ||
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On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote: DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREEN He's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. yeah why is bm blatantly trying to fish for roles? I remember when he did something similar asking for claims he was GF also On October 07 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote: I already got the VI lynched, and out of our hair. There is no way he put more than one. That would make the game very gay.. stop talking about getting the VI lynched a good thing. In all reason it should have lost us the fucking game. BB was a gracious host in letting us continue because you knew who the smurf was and still pushed his lynch, YOU'RE TERRIBLE, when the only logical conclusion one could come to is that person is anti town TRYING to get lynched ie VI it was terrible play and it's hard for me to take anything you say seriously ps i dont think it's impossible that we could have two VI's in this set up, but i imagine it's quite unlikely. | ||
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On October 07 2010 20:33 XeliN wrote: I skim read, Bill has pretty much made it clear and my post is redundant. I kindof give away my role slightly but Bill is correct in how it is phrased and Bloody appears to be lying when he says "Green citizen (Town) and the followup text.. Unless Brownbear used different formating for individual PM's, but I think this is unlikely. As of now I'm going to agree with voting for Bloody based on this. okay i really shouldn't let this post slip up under the radar. lets pick apart individual parts to really get an idea of how blatant this shit is. I skim read straight up admits to being lazy and this is a good cover should he make any glaring errors in interpreting the situation. Which is FINE as long as he doesn't take some concrete stance from this right, after all he hasn't thoroughly read the thread right? Unless Brownbear used different formating for individual PM's first of all, there are two people that sent out the fucking PMs, ask them if you want they can verify. Secondly trying to pick apart wording from a role pm is HILARIOUS because as with every mafia game the example pm is in the fucking OP As of now I'm going to agree with voting well this certainly seems to hurt with his first mini quote. He admits to barely reading the thread, and seemingly wants to JUMP at any chance to be able to vote at someone. Like first of all someone listening to bm's reasoning without discretion after he got the VI lynched = LOL secondly someone going well I DIDNT READ THE THREAD, then agreeing with someone who clearly is retarded is a terrible lapse in judgement. This is the first solid red read i've been getting off of anyone (besides bm but he doesn't count cause he always comes off as scummy). Xelin is not sticking his neck out, xelin is not forming his own opinions, xelin is throwing a vote on someone via someone elses terrible reasoning. This is a common tactic to go 'oh it's only joking semi place holder' then never move it if no one pressures you about it. Well guess what mother fucker you're getting pressure. | ||
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On October 08 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote: criticizing me whenever I won penalty mafia for you? criticizing me for lynching an anti-town player when you are too bad to do so yourself? then you agree with me you're a great player, divinek, when you try to scumhunt do so, or else i'll lump you in with BC and OpZ i thought your play in penalty mafia was great and hilarious lol i dont remember criticizing you for it And yes sorry im too bad to lynch an anti town player who would have LOST US THE GAME, only you knew his identity and i didnt  also i dont get how me saying there's a possibility for something and you saying there is no possibility is agreeing but ok | ||
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Spamming that much was a condition that you COULD NOT do because it's easy to get killed doing that. And he goes 'there's no way two VI's could be in the game' as if to relax us from the fact of lynching him and ending the game. Disrupting the town with mindless shit that doesn't make sense and throwing around wild allegations is exactly what was done in penalty mafia, only he wasnt such a sore thumb then. It's like everything he's done in this game up to this point is to get himself lynched. (deliberately pushing the lynch of a known, good player, when he was one of the very few who knew it was him, had any decent person known this they would know someone that decent wouldn't be so deliberately retarded, spamming, throwing around crazy accusations that dont even add up etc. It's like look im mafia 101 lol) If we have a vigi PLEASE shoot this clown i truly believe we can't lynch him. | ||
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On October 08 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote: Disclaimer: This post is does not in any way encourage additional posting of PM or PM related information, nor do I wish to further the discussion of the PMs themselves. This post contains full disclosure of BM's method to further discourage any claiming. However, the prior claims are here to stay, for better or for worse. There's nothing that can be done, yet they've altered the meta game and as such cannot be ignored. Alternatively a host could simply come out and confirm that the PM messages were different dependent on host, alleviating us of this meta-game aspect entirely. But if not, then the information's there, and should be taken full advantage of by the townies. Now, in short, for those that don't feel like reading the spam starting from page 29 and going really until about page 35, Bill Murray demanded players to roleclaim, but emphasized players should carefully reread their PMs before claiming. It was actually very clever, as there was an underlying secret that only town players would recognize: town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: Ironically, Bill, either in a burst of genius or insanity, incessantly insisted the correct answer was "town." And, best of yet, some people fell for it: (Note: BC is especially guilty in this regard, as he kept referring to the town post in the OP as his point of reference). In fact the only player that correctly roleclaimed as far as I can surmise is OpZ: Even now Bill maintains "town" is the correct answer, and his vigilance for this charade is admirable yet simultaneously disturbing on some deeper level. However, props to him for maintaining it for so long (I'd certainly be convinced). Now there is the caveat that there were different wording in the PMs based on the host. As such, take the following conclusions with a grain of salt: Confirmed players from my perspective:
Suspect players from my perspective:
Still need to look at the votes over the past day to see if there's anything worthwhile there. But I'm certainly curious as to what one of the "town" players will flip ~ if town, then there's possibly a host discrepancy. If not, then this only confirms my suspicions. It's the strongest lead we've got and I see no reason not to pursue it. Anyway I'm off to bed to mull this over. you realize anyone that got it 'wrong' besides the fact that two different people sent the pms, there's also the fact that roles exist in this game outside of being red or being green right? This isnt some elaborate plan to get our blues lynched is it -_-, yes i realize that the mafia would fuck that up too but there are more than likely more blue roles in this game than mafia. I'm really a bigger fan of feel play and post analysis than this hibby jibby crap that isn't even accurate half the time. That's just how i play though, if something like this were to actually be reliable then id be all for it though. Xelin really needs to be speaking up more he's scaring me | ||
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Now lets look at this motherfucker kane, I know there’s not much to look at lol On October 06 2010 06:25 kane]deth[ wrote: Due to school, I can really only post around this time. Just making a post to indicate my activeness, will edit or post again later with thoughts after reading the thread. Edit: So I'm not sure what content I must post to be not lynched so I suppose I'll just give my opinion on the RNGing lynching of inactives. I think it'll be a good idea as long as we're not lynching any modkills for obvious reasons. I personally don't contribute much and might be considered inactive, but thats because of my inexperience. >: So I think that at least pressuring people to post more is a good idea. Flat out giving us his excuse that he’s not gonna contribute much and be inactive, ie ANTI town. An argument could be made for town neutrality but that would require content from him. This is not an original idea btw, he’s literally parroting about 3 other people at this point. Guilty conscience? I imagine his mafia buddies yelled at him for that one On October 07 2010 10:26 kane]deth[ wrote: I have no idea what to do once again. The more I try to find suspicious people, the more I think everyone is suspicious. I suppose I'll just keep reading and see if anyone really jumps out at me ._. Time and time I have seen new mafia players try this card out. They are confused, they don’t know what to do, this prevents them from having to put forward any of their own ideas because they know they are quite likely to slip up in ways they haven’t even thought of yet. Newbie town players are quite often FEARLESS, they know they got nothing to hide and they get into this game because they are EXCITED to get those mafia! NOT SCARED, why would you be scared if you were town? Then he apologizes for not voting blah blah more guilty conscience fuel On October 08 2010 09:57 kane]deth[ wrote: So I am currently voting for Misder as the proof that others have posted on him seems more reasonable than the accusations against any other player currently. The plan on getting rid of BM seems reasonable as well, but most of the analysis today has been wasted on what to do with him instead of finding Reds. Xelin seemed quick to bandwagon with BM but besides that he doesn't seem to be very suspicious. He could've just been slow on realizing how ridiculous BM's plans and not just bandwagoning for a kill. See that bolded word there? Yeah that’s right, OTHERs so if it goes bad (which it did) then he can go WELL I DIDN’T WANNA DO IT, but you guys presented such good arguments I agreed! Not my fault! It’s deflection at the most basic level Get rid of bm blah everyone already said that. Jumping on xelin too, everyone else did that. I mean this stuff would be fine to do of his own accord, but he’s just repeating everything that’s already been said. This is KEY because he can’t be caught for spewing bullshit because none of it is his own On October 08 2010 09:59 kane]deth[ wrote: Also note that I have no idea how these players have played in previous games, so I can't make references like that, or if something is strange or off about someone's playstyle. More I don’t know bullshit, as in don’t expect me to do things, to be useful. Blah blah im sick of your excuses. On October 08 2010 10:21 kane]deth[ wrote: I suppose proof was a bad word to use there. The accusations that he made against the 'higher tier' players baselessly and his general aggression. Basically the post that Ghrur made. Currently he's just making trouble by trying to lynch players at seemingly random. I'm also lost on one thing; is the only way to find a players posts is to find a post of the player and then click profile? I love seeing this tactic. He apologizes, then puts up some shit justification and THEN he adds a question to the end of his post, as questions always take up everything you’re thinking about because you immediately try to answer that question and almost seemingly forget what you just read lol, quality double fake of the old flame fanning. On October 09 2010 12:07 kane]deth[ wrote: I had voted for Double Lynch already, as we would be able to lynch BM. Yuh yuh guys I agree with you don’t get angry with me im doing wut u asked. DIE Also as a little tidbit rol almost replaced this dude, look at rols only post in that entire time On October 06 2010 16:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: HAI GUYS SO U NO IM IN THIS GAME NOW SO I WILL POST LATER AFTER I READ. Excuse for inactivity followed up by NOTHING. Sorry kane you’re not going to continue coasting by unnoticed. There’s nothing but wifom trying to draw away from if it was because of you on his list that pandain was killed or not, but one thing I do know, you’ve been doing fuck all for us and I have a pretty good idea why. You’re getting my vote, I will avenge you pandain! | ||
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err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! | ||
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and does no one care about kane -_- | ||
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On October 10 2010 23:41 LSB wrote: Vet? Or Bulletproof? Or doc? We'll find that out by tomorrow. Anyways its a dumb idea for mafia to claim to be hit. If a person is poisoned tomorrow, we can easily lynch OpZ Basically we know that OpZ is blue. Unless of course doc protected him, but I don't know if he gets notification im not following your rationale say today there was hit+poison and he claimed he took a hit then tomorrow they could hit+poison, and hit+poision until the day they need 3 kills to win and then do hit+hit+poisonkill so no it wouldn't be dumb. I find it interesting that you say so though. | ||
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