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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 11:18 GMT
#1134
That's true, you did come back clean.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 15:04 GMT
#1139
On August 30 2010 22:46 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2010 19:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Fishball was 50% role cop eh? And he's BulletBill? Maybe because he's...I dunno...Acting fishy as fuck. Not to mention when I'm in a game with Fishball I always use whatever night action I have on him Night One (seriously, it's like I have a thing for him or something, he attracts me on night one)
And aren't you supposed to be analyzing shit?

Oh, and one more thing Citizen. Fishball checked me, and I came up NOT holding a gun. a.k.a. CONFIRMED TOWN.



Of course it needs to be mentioned that you could still be scum if both you AND fishball are scum. Seems highly highly unlikely though. So unlikely in fact, that it's really not worth discussing.

The one interesting thing in this scenario is you'd have 3 mafia picking sequentially and getting the 7, 8, and 9 spots, and picking role cop (failed), bullet bill and tracker. Pretty unlikely, but who knows.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 16:31 GMT
#1146
These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 19:22 GMT
#1150
LSB is who I also voted for.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 20:30 GMT
#1156
On August 31 2010 05:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote:
These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason.

Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P
Would you do that if you were tracker?

I would certainly not be tracking SR - it seems like a waste, especially in Pandain's plan to watch and track him, while also killing LSB. We'd be wasting an entire night on them to learn little additional information about one single player. I'd track someone like Sinliquidy. Radfield is not a bad target either though.

If we could somehow Fishball as town-aligned we'd be in fantastic shape. I think his check on you pretty much confirms you either way (unless, as Radfield said you're both red, which I just don't see).
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 20:45 GMT
#1159
Wait, Opz, I change my answer! Let's track LSB instead. The PoD can't "travel" at night so tracking LSB should be effective, unless he lied and picked traitor.

This also means we should CV Southrawarea.

Medic - protect Opz!
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 21:08 GMT
#1163
On August 31 2010 06:00 Pandain wrote:
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On August 31 2010 05:45 citi.zen wrote:
Wait, Opz, I change my answer! Let's track LSB instead. The PoD can't "travel" at night so tracking LSB should be effective, unless he lied and picked traitor.

This also means we should CV Southrawarea.

Medic - protect Opz!


I don't see how this is anyway more effective than tracking South and killing LSB. Except in our plan if LSB happens to be mafia, we manage to kill him(since he is an extremely dangerous role in the hands of mafia.)
So my way is the same, with an added bonus. Stick with tracking South.

Sudden change, Citizen. Very interesting one too. Hiding something?
*Insert more random baseless suspicion*

Actually there is a difference: if guilty, South would not be traitor but real mafia making a false claim; LSB would be the traitor. This means South could be the vengeful player making a fake claim and not caring too much if he gets lynched, while LSB could not be vengeful.

So out of the two I think South is better to CV and LSB better to lynch, if we see him visit anyone.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 30 2010 21:32 GMT
#1165
Yes - if SR is mafia he also has a role, possibly Vengeful player, making him harder to lynch. LSB as traitor, on the other hand, is easier to lynch.

So yeah, my suggestion is your plan but switching their names around.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 00:51 GMT
#1184
Just... pay attention to the flip tonight. And CV South.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 01:17 GMT
#1198
Why is SR alive? Opz, Fishball, what did you find?
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 02:13 GMT
#1213
On August 31 2010 10:11 Radfield wrote:
GG Town, GG Mafia

Have Fun

Now I can actually spend more time working and less time playing mafia

You will be missed. I was hoping to have your help after today. With both of us alive the town would be in excellent shape.

Still, we're not doing too bad.

New information:

Opz lied. He is not the tracker, I am the tracker.

A townie would have zero reason to fake claim tracker in this set-up, so Opz must be mafia. Now, since Fishball "confirmed" him to not have a gun, Fishball lied as well.

Now, I realize that from a neutral person's stand-point, you have little reason to trust me. So I'm asking you to think through this carefully.

Consider this: my claim comes out of nowhere. I don't think anyone had even one vote on me this game. More importantly, if I am lying you will know as soon as we lynch Opz and he flips tracker. At worst this would be a 1 to 1 trade for the town.

For the past day I've played along with Opz, pretending to believe him even when he blatantly tried to fish out my role:

On August 31 2010 05:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote:
These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason.

Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P
Would you do that if you were tracker?


I stayed quiet to make sure I'd live one more night to narrow down the whole "traitor in the top 6" saga. I was also concerned bad santa could give the mafia many KPs and wanted to check Chaoser.

These are facts. Now let me give you some speculation:

I strongly believe Southrawarea is also red and the mafia roleblocked the CV hit tonight after I insisted we use the CV on South instead of LSB. We'll have time to sort this out after we kill Opz though.

My night actions thus far went to:

Night one: JeeJee, saw him visit DarthThienAn. Once JeeJee confirms this action, you have more reason to think I am telling the truth. The alternative is that JeeJee and I are both red, which you would know as soon as Opz flipped tracker.

In the unlikely possibility JeeJee will not confirm my story, JeeJee is red. In that case I would not care whether you lynch me or Opz, either action would give you 3 mafia and we'd be sitting pretty.

Night two: I tracked Chaoser. He stayed put, so Chaoser is confirmed town. I tracked him because I feared the mafia might have more KP through the bad santa, and because bad santa is a non-traveling role.

Plan: Lynch Opz today and win this thing.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 02:19 GMT
#1214
Oh yeah, before I forget:

##Lynch ~Opz~
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 02:28 GMT
#1219
On August 31 2010 11:27 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 11:13 citi.zen wrote:
On August 31 2010 10:11 Radfield wrote:
GG Town, GG Mafia

Have Fun

Now I can actually spend more time working and less time playing mafia

You will be missed. I was hoping to have your help after today. With both of us alive the town would be in excellent shape.

Still, we're not doing too bad.

New information:

Opz lied. He is not the tracker, I am the tracker.

A townie would have zero reason to fake claim tracker in this set-up, so Opz must be mafia. Now, since Fishball "confirmed" him to not have a gun, Fishball lied as well.

Now, I realize that from a neutral person's stand-point, you have little reason to trust me. So I'm asking you to think through this carefully.

Consider this: my claim comes out of nowhere. I don't think anyone had even one vote on me this game. More importantly, if I am lying you will know as soon as we lynch Opz and he flips tracker. At worst this would be a 1 to 1 trade for the town.

For the past day I've played along with Opz, pretending to believe him even when he blatantly tried to fish out my role:

On August 31 2010 05:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On August 31 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote:
These aren't ego trips bum, they are strategic plays. Fishball going from polite to abrasive, Radfield from neutral to apologetic... pay attention to this tone stuff, it rarely happens without a reason.

Hey Citizen...I'm guessing you think Radfield should be tracked tonight? =P
Would you do that if you were tracker?


I stayed quiet to make sure I'd live one more night to narrow down the whole "traitor in the top 6" saga. I was also concerned bad santa could give the mafia many KPs and wanted to check Chaoser.

These are facts. Now let me give you some speculation:

I strongly believe Southrawarea is also red and the mafia roleblocked the CV hit tonight after I insisted we use the CV on South instead of LSB. We'll have time to sort this out after we kill Opz though.

My night actions thus far went to:

Night one: JeeJee, saw him visit DarthThienAn. Once JeeJee confirms this action, you have more reason to think I am telling the truth. The alternative is that JeeJee and I are both red, which you would know as soon as Opz flipped tracker.

In the unlikely possibility JeeJee will not confirm my story, JeeJee is red. In that case I would not care whether you lynch me or Opz, either action would give you 3 mafia and we'd be sitting pretty.

Night two: I tracked Chaoser. He stayed put, so Chaoser is confirmed town. I tracked him because I feared the mafia might have more KP through the bad santa, and because bad santa is a non-traveling role.

Plan: Lynch Opz today and win this thing.


If everyone decides to follow your lynch, I will cast my vote for Opz as well.

But I want everyone, including you, to remember one thing.
I said he has no gun, and that is a true as it gets.


If he flips non-tracker town, I will gladly remove my suspicion of you.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 02:32 GMT
#1222
On August 31 2010 11:29 chaoser wrote:
Ok Ace, question. Since mafia all visit a person when they kill him, does that mean they are all "responsible" for his death? If yes, does that mean if I have even on mafia on my list, I would get my power?

That's a huge question. It would be fantastic if we could confirm 4 people at a clip. I already know you are town, so it would be pretty powerful.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 03:08 GMT
#1236
On August 31 2010 12:03 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 11:29 chaoser wrote:
Ok Ace, question. Since mafia all visit a person when they kill him, does that mean they are all "responsible" for his death? If yes, does that mean if I have even on mafia on my list, I would get my power?


Yes.

@citizen: Remember Tracker watches roles based on precedence. So a bullletproof Scum for instance will show up as not moving to you.

That's messed up! So ANY mafia with a role is undetectable via the tracker? I thought it was just roles that "visited" people that took me to the wrong place, not that any role makes people static. I probably would not have picked tracker if I knew that :-)

This means I wasted the night check, I cannot ever confirm Chaoser. Should have just called out Opz yesterday and hear Radfield's thoughts on this.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 03:12 GMT
#1239
On August 31 2010 12:05 chaoser wrote:
ok guys, from what Ace said, the people on my list, if you believe me to be townie, are all innocent/townie since Radfield was on my list, he died and no one on my list was the cause of his death. My list is:

radfield, sin, ~opz~, citi.zen, bumatlarge

yeah...figure that shit out....

If Opz is town and decided to lie about being the tracker... all I can do is sigh.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 03:38 GMT
#1247
On August 31 2010 12:22 Ace wrote:
Actually if you read the FAQS there clearly is:

Show nested quote +


13.)
If the Tracker tracks a mafia roleblocker, where does he go? To the KP target, or to the roleblocked target? Likewise a SK roleblocker.


If they are Vanilla will they always be tracked to a kill.Otherwise their other role takes precedence. So in this example of a Mafia roleblocker if the person killed and roleblocked, the tracker would be tagged to the roleblocked target. However if this same Scum was stuck with their Vanilla role the tracker would see who they targeted for killing that night. Otherwise the tracker would almost be better than both cops in this setup.

I read Q 13 many times and took it to mean that any role with movement, such as the role-blocker, takes precedence, not that any role, even static ones, make the tracker useless.

At any rate. Here we are now: I still know Opz lied, but Chaoser says both me and Opz are innocent. The CV probably got role-blocked last night, but confirmation would be nice. Bum saw someone visit LSB, even though I did not visit him (would have done no good anyway according to latest clarification).

Raaaadfiled!
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 03:51 GMT
#1252
On August 31 2010 12:41 chaoser wrote:
Just to tell you all, there would be only one reason I would give out the list I did and that would be to save Opz from citi.zen. That's about it. What good is it for mafia if I played the move I just did? It would have been better if I didn't say anything cause I could just make up any list I want to incriminate anyone else.

It would be plenty good if you were mafia with Opz and Fishball.

It's either that, or believing Opz simply lied for the sake of it, as town.

Are there other possibilities? Other solutions than to lynch Opz or myself?
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 04:19 GMT
#1262
On August 31 2010 13:16 bumatlarge wrote:
*MMBOP - The was a nifty list of all roles not claimed, but apparently we have a mafia methman running around also? Or maybe its just the traitor thrashin for info. Lets poke him with a stick, and kill south now.

Opz claimed meth man.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
August 31 2010 05:02 GMT
#1271
Ace: does the role-blocker remove medic protection for anyone but the SK?
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