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On August 07 2010 11:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:08 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 10:57 Pandain wrote:
Pandain's 1st Refinement of his plan:
So I was making this whole complicated thing about my plan, when I thought of something. Here's my thoughts.........
Watccher and tracker visit BM
Night hit will tell us whether they are mafia, since tracker will know about mafia.
If mafia: Tracker and watcher gather up, two medics protect both of them. We lynch a certain mafia.
Have town circle also. Possible mass roleclaim?
If blue: We have a circle of 3 blues, perfect eh?
Thoughts? yeah that sounds fine, it's a good way to clear someone as well. Since they will find each other, and both of the meds can protect BM and the DT can investigate him cant all blues with abilities like this find each other simply by all going to one player while a watcher/tracker is there? Hmm so some possible probs - what if BM is mafia and first mafia hit hits a protted person so they don't die? Or hits a vet? Survivor of hit will have to claim in this scenario. yeah i dont believe he is the crux of this plan but that is an important thing to note before clearing him certainly so what are peoples thoughts about avoiding the roleblocker infiltrating the circle? because obviously the watcher cant just hand out a list of the people who visited say bm, to each other, because then the role blocker would get a list of almost certainly all blues right i dont know if im confused about how the roles work but there's no guaranteed way to know any of the people visiting bm wont be the role blocker as the watchers the only person who is going to have all of this info right? Tracker will know whether BM is innocent. Watcher will know who visited. Watcher reveals both of who visited(tracker and roleblocker) BM is innocent: We still have a circle of blues, good for us. BM is mafia: Two red down(roleblocker and him). Lowers kp to 2. Much more managable. Even better if BM is special red as well.
how does that net us a circle of blues. BM's innocence is not guaranteed unless 3 mafia kp go through and surely now they wont let that happen.
As for the blues we have to lynch one of the people the watcher sees if more than one visits to confirm who the tracker is and by that point he's dead
We can use the bus driver to keep bm alive though cause then the watcher and tracker will see the same person, though it wont clear bm.
But if we dont use the bus driver then bm is probably gonna die soo yeah
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er ignore the thing i said about bm'ing being targetting for a mafia hit i dont know why i suddenly forgot they wont do that lol
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also remember if tracker doesnt get anything from bm that either means he's town, gf, or ninja. But we should know the ninja thing cause no one will get anything, though the only way we know if these people got nothing is if they publically claim, so maybe we should have someone to do this for on day 2 as well so they dont have to publically tell us? Even though the odds are low
(at least i think if you track gf you dont get the info tracker normally would get)
so he doesnt have to be cleared, i think
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On August 07 2010 11:27 SouthRawrea wrote:
I would just like to say Pyrr is most likely not GF because if BM flips town-sided which he would if Pyrr was RED, then Pyrr would most likely assume he himself would become THIS GUY. It would eventually be outted that he was ninja/godfather. Ninjas double stack hits on him. Lights out for him. Town wouldn't be able to prove he was ninja instead of GF with a DT check or anything in fact as he has no need to be the one doing the killing. (He could just vote: No kill) The same would apply for any RED as he would get checked by DT almost immediately probably. Thus we can just fastforward this and lynch BM and make Pyrr THIS GUY.
your logical reasoning is astounding
there are no words for the stuff that comes out of your mouth really
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On August 07 2010 11:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:29 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:27 SouthRawrea wrote:
I would just like to say Pyrr is most likely not GF because if BM flips town-sided which he would if Pyrr was RED, then Pyrr would most likely assume he himself would become THIS GUY. It would eventually be outted that he was ninja/godfather. Ninjas double stack hits on him. Lights out for him. Town wouldn't be able to prove he was ninja instead of GF with a DT check or anything in fact as he has no need to be the one doing the killing. (He could just vote: No kill) The same would apply for any RED as he would get checked by DT almost immediately probably. Thus we can just fastforward this and lynch BM and make Pyrr THIS GUY. your logical reasoning is astounding there are no words for the stuff that comes out of your mouth really It's true. He seems to be on my side but he does not make sense to me.
i literally burst out laughing after going over it the third time trying to make any sense of it
i dont know if that's town or red, but it sure is something
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seriously there is no way in fucking hell a team would choose BM to be their godfather right? (i mean maybe they might if they decided after we formulated this plan, can they do that? i dont know what the deadline is for choosing gf)
i mean they know he's gonna piss people off and get himself killed
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On August 07 2010 11:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Maybe your plan isn't useless in the previous mentioned situations; it would be more accurate to say that it doesn't get any better by using BM and it could get much worse by using BM.
i agree
id much rather lynch him or one of the inactives and use the watcher/tracker thing on someone else
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On August 07 2010 11:48 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:32 Pandain wrote:Still, as of right now I think my plan is basically 100% foolproof. The only real thing that can mess this up is if a nosy neighbor comes in, and that's 1/30 chance. So right now, this is the best thing we've got. So I highly urge all of you to unvote Bill Murray this instant. Right now, yes, right now. Don't keep reading this, go right now and do it. + Show Spoiler +Why haven't you done it yet? Because I think he's red and if he flips red we can try the same thing with someone else. If he survives this lynch he can take the GF role and claim vet and put himself on vet and your plan can't help us determine whether he is a real vet or fake vet. just because you THINK he's red doesn't mean that's good enough of a reason to jeopardize a plan which could result in possibly two red's being captured or a 3way blue circle. Please, unvote him right now. ? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible. If godfather cannot be tracked, than we know he is GF and lynch him. WE got a certain GF than. Otherwise, without that knowledge there is just as great a chance you are lynching a blue. Plus, my plan revolves around BM claiming blue. Without him, than we still won't have a circle if mafia fakes as a tracker. GF cannot be tracked. Townie cannot be tracked. Veteran cannot be tracked. GF can appear as veteran or townie if desired. BM has already lied a few times this game. If he changes his claim to townie, would anyone care? He can also say he is a vigi and didn't want to waste his hit during the first night and use a real hit or mafia kp hit to claim later. even if they can't be tracked, watcher still sees tracker and if it's just the two then it's all gravy
the thing is i think pyrr wants to push for bm's lynch and if he's our target for this then he cant really do that. which is understandable
so it'd be perfectly reasonable to switch it to someone who we know we dont really want to lynch on day 1. Because while i doubt bm is going to get lynched it'd still be nice to leave him open to the possibility
i mean we could like do it on someone like me or pandain, or uh i dunno you? someone who probably would never get GF because then we KNOW that person isnt mafia
because the only way a tracked person isnt mafia is if they are the GF
because even if you track a mafia member and they hit a medic or something
"If you track Mafia, then you will be led to the scene of the first target on the Mafia hitlist."
you're still led to a scene so you know exactly what happened and what the person you are tracking is
this all depends on the fact that mafia havent already chosen their gf and if there is any cut off for doing so, other wise bm is as good as anyone else really unless we really want him to die
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On August 07 2010 11:53 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:29 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:27 SouthRawrea wrote:
I would just like to say Pyrr is most likely not GF because if BM flips town-sided which he would if Pyrr was RED, then Pyrr would most likely assume he himself would become THIS GUY. It would eventually be outted that he was ninja/godfather. Ninjas double stack hits on him. Lights out for him. Town wouldn't be able to prove he was ninja instead of GF with a DT check or anything in fact as he has no need to be the one doing the killing. (He could just vote: No kill) The same would apply for any RED as he would get checked by DT almost immediately probably. Thus we can just fastforward this and lynch BM and make Pyrr THIS GUY. your logical reasoning is astounding there are no words for the stuff that comes out of your mouth really It's true. He seems to be on my side but he does not make sense to me. Scenario 1a: Pyrr is Godfather. Pyrr lead the campaign against Bill Murray. If Bill Murray flips town sided, suspicion is placed upon Pyrr for possibly being a mafia creating chaos. He then is checked by tracker. If he does not show up at all, we have a lynch candidate as he is either GF or Ninja. If lynch does not go through, the other ninjas WILL kill him. Why would a Godfather want this 2-3 different groups after his ass on the same day? Scenario 1b: Pyrr is Godfather. Bill Murray flips red. Pyrr is not cleared, mafia is dead. Godfather would not want this either. Scenario 1c: Pyrr is Godfather. Bill Murray flips ninja. Nothing happens really. Scenario 2: Pyrr is Ninja. Bill Murray flips town. Tracker on Pyrr. Pyrr does not show up. Pyrr claims ninja and has watcher+tracker on him. Watcher outs tracker+anyone else. We get a role blocker down and medic is now on watcher. Bus driver is on Pyrr. Watcher is on tracker. Boom. This is for day 2. Do random checking on night 1 and lynch BM day 1. Does that work?
oh come on there's more scenarios than that, those are all like the most unlikely scenarios. Stop the drugs please
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On August 07 2010 11:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:55 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:48 chaoser wrote:On August 07 2010 11:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 11:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:32 Pandain wrote:Still, as of right now I think my plan is basically 100% foolproof. The only real thing that can mess this up is if a nosy neighbor comes in, and that's 1/30 chance. So right now, this is the best thing we've got. So I highly urge all of you to unvote Bill Murray this instant. Right now, yes, right now. Don't keep reading this, go right now and do it. + Show Spoiler +Why haven't you done it yet? Because I think he's red and if he flips red we can try the same thing with someone else. If he survives this lynch he can take the GF role and claim vet and put himself on vet and your plan can't help us determine whether he is a real vet or fake vet. just because you THINK he's red doesn't mean that's good enough of a reason to jeopardize a plan which could result in possibly two red's being captured or a 3way blue circle. Please, unvote him right now. ? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible. If godfather cannot be tracked, than we know he is GF and lynch him. WE got a certain GF than. Otherwise, without that knowledge there is just as great a chance you are lynching a blue. Plus, my plan revolves around BM claiming blue. Without him, than we still won't have a circle if mafia fakes as a tracker. GF cannot be tracked. Townie cannot be tracked. Veteran cannot be tracked. GF can appear as veteran or townie if desired. BM has already lied a few times this game. If he changes his claim to townie, would anyone care? He can also say he is a vigi and didn't want to waste his hit during the first night and use a real hit or mafia kp hit to claim later. even if they can't be tracked, watcher still sees tracker and if it's just the two then it's all gravy the thing is i think pyrr wants to push for bm's lynch and if he's our target for this then he cant really do that. which is understandable so it'd be perfectly reasonable to switch it to someone who we know we dont really want to lynch on day 1. Because while i doubt bm is going to get lynched it'd still be nice to leave him open to the possibility i mean we could like do it on someone like me or pandain, or uh i dunno you? someone who probably would never get GF because then we KNOW that person isnt mafia because the only way a tracked person isnt mafia is if they are the GF because even if you track a mafia member and they hit a medic or something "If you track Mafia, then you will be led to the scene of the first target on the Mafia hitlist." you're still led to a scene so you know exactly what happened and what the person you are tracking is this all depends on the fact that mafia havent already chosen their gf and if there is any cut off for doing so, other wise bm is as good as anyone else really unless we really want him to die Rules say mafia don't have to decide GF until end of day 1. I think we should wait until Day 1 ends and choose a target right at the start of Night 1, so blue roles have time to see and follow the plan. And we should just choose one of the inactive peeps at random, since the chance of them being GF is awful low. A tracker looking at a low-level player will probably see them go after someone on the hitlist if they are mafia since such a player would probably not be GF. This seems a much more safe use of Pandain's plan than BM.
ah well if that's the rule then that's what we should do 100% maybe even 1000000%?!?!?
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On August 07 2010 12:00 larjarse wrote:
Divinek saying I spam spam spam on pg 23:
This is my first game. You also excluded my posts that had content. .
i included every.single.one. of your posts since the game started. (barring me being dyslexic or something since im not perfect)
dont start that crap with me boy
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On August 07 2010 12:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:58 SouthRawrea wrote:
Oh really? You think Pyrr is NOT ninja after what he said? BTW replace Bill Murray in my posts with whoever is going to get lynched. It'll be easy to see if Pyrr is ninja or not based on whether he dies or not. If he was right about the number, ninjas will kill him. If he lives, than he's wrong. From there we can also speculate about whether there would be 2 or 4 ninjas. I'm thinkin 4 since I doubt flamwheel would only have 2 ninjas. Would seem lame :/
no fucking way a ninja is going to throw a blind chop stick at him night one
im pretty sure they'd much rather just check him and be sure, because then they 100% get their chop stick back
but i do not believe he is a ninja solely based on what he has said
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On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed.
nope that doesnt work cause roleblocker can get all that info if he pms everyone and then mafia have huge list of ez blue targets.
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On August 07 2010 12:08 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 11:58 SouthRawrea wrote:
Oh really? You think Pyrr is NOT ninja after what he said? BTW replace Bill Murray in my posts with whoever is going to get lynched. You think I'm ninja because I think there are 3 ninjas and because I claimed to be a ninja vigi fake-batman townie medic? Whatever, man. Enjoy the astral plane and bring me back some nirvana. Well usually you'd theorize about the number of ninjas without outright saying there are 3 would you n ot? This is coming from the guy who said this when speaking of the medic count and Flamewheel's wording. Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
To make sure we can't be sure of how many there are? So you know that flamewheel could be trying to be ambiguous about the number of people of each role yet you somehow chose 3 instead of perhaps 1.
there cant be 1 ninja because then he would instantly win
do you even understand what is going on
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it's still quite unlikely a noisy neighbour is going to visit bm that night
we can easily just get every townie that gets a pm from the 'watcher' to say he did and if it's more than say 1 or 2 , two would easily be even pushing it, then all the blues can know the watcher is a bullshitter.
and besides like said the mafia would have to for sure hit every blue on that list accurately and there's just no way mafia could come even close to doing this
because all the people that visit him KNOW they did it
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also in theory if all the blues that can do this actually do it
we get a circle that includes
trackers, watchers, medics, dts, and even MH cause they might as well place a bomb on bm/this person whoever, and they can move it the next day just so they can be put into this circle
only vig and vets wont be pulled in right away
but still how do we distinguish a role blocker from all the other roles? if they visit with all these people and fake claim
there's no way to check them out because we dont have role counts, unless this person is the go between, between ALL of the roles and doesnt use names or something
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On August 07 2010 12:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:24 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:18 Pandain wrote:On August 07 2010 12:18 chaoser wrote:On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 12:08 LSB wrote:
Before I go to sleep.
What about this?
Watcher watches BM. Everyone else makes a beeline and random medics / Vigilanties / Stalkers go visit BM.
The Watcher then proceeds to PM everyone who visited BM and demands a Role Claim.
If someone pretends to be watcher, he'll probably make a mistake and won't send a PM to the right person, and then easy expose.
After a while, if the people who visited BM confirm that the Watcher is correct. The Watcher PMs everyone else who did not visit BM and demands a roleclaim
So we basically get 1 person who is confirmed. First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person. That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right? Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it. How would people know which one is real watcher and which one is mafia if they get asked? agreed, and what if a person accidently sends it to a mafia because they asked first. No wayt ot ell who real watcher is. If what person accidentally sends what to a mafia? We can easily pick out a fake watcher with this plan because the only way to fake watcher will be to CORRECTLY GUESS 100% OF THE VISITING BLUES. So some adaptions to this plan: People who get pmed from watcher will wait 12-24 hours to see if a townie will claim he got a pm from said person before the blues will respond vigis will NOT visit said person(lol) This plan does seem pretty good... Current Version of LSB PlanWe pick a THIS GUY. All watchers watch him. All detectives check him. All medics prot him. All trackers track him. Bus drivers and vigis stay away. Hatters probably stay away, too. If a blue's action went through (no waxing) they will expect a PM from a watcher. If no PMs are sent, there is no watcher or watcher was waxed. If a blue gets one PM, then that is the real watcher unless the unlikely event of the watcher being waxed (mafia can possibly claim waxed watcher). If a green gets a PM they can come forward - they are nosy neighbor or mafia is faking. If no greens come forward we are probably doing good. If a blue that didn't act on THIS GUY gets a PM, we have a surefire mafia. If no one steps forward seeing shenanigans for say, 24 hours. We can have watcher step forward - no one else comes forward we can protect them with bus. If more than one step forward, a blue can use pm evidence to out them if they are fake, maybe a DT can use a mouth they've confirmed (look for mafia to use an innocent as a mouth here, or maybe a mafia as a mouth like rastaban/sr last game).
but how do we set up a real circle when the role blocker gets in there
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On August 07 2010 12:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:39 Divinek wrote:
also in theory if all the blues that can do this actually do it
we get a circle that includes
trackers, watchers, medics, dts, and even MH cause they might as well place a bomb on bm/this person whoever, and they can move it the next day just so they can be put into this circle
only vig and vets wont be pulled in right away
but still how do we distinguish a role blocker from all the other roles? if they visit with all these people and fake claim
there's no way to check them out because we dont have role counts, unless this person is the go between, between ALL of the roles and doesnt use names or something I'm not sure we can really confirm the people the watcher sees. It's the watcher that we can hopefully confirm and then protect with the bus driver. I suppose the best way for the mafia to mess this plan up would be to have someone claim acting blue and say they didn't get a pm. That would probably force a few blues out of hiding to counter the bs claim.
yeah but once we have a confirmed watcher that has a list of like 70%+ of the blue roles in the game where the hell can we go from there?
Because he cant communicate with any of them directly, like he cant be like 'okay dude that dt claimed to me check this person from my list' because if that person is the roleblocker etc
though i suppose he could get clever and get 2 claimers to check each other cause it'd be totally worth it for us to kill the roleblocker for a dt or something
just trying to see where this would get us
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On August 07 2010 12:57 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 12:50 tree.hugger wrote:
Interesting developments so far. I'm not one for plans, and Pandain pm'd me his idea (along with several other people, he said) and I told him I didn't like it because roleblockers and framers could get in with all of the other roles and mess stuff up.
Some of the obstacles that I brought up in pm's have been addressed, but I still am not really sure how this plan intends to deal with all of the counter-claims that always come out. The watcher is going to have a hard time figuring out which roles are actually in the game, which roles we have one of, and which roles we have two of, ect. DT's then need to check things out.
But if the mafia claims DT, then we'll just be feeding them the names of blue players, which is dangerous. And we can't verify people without the DT's. We might have two, one, or none of them. I have no idea.
I think this is a good idea in principle, but there are some potentially fatal kinks, and I'm not sure how I'd address them. If we do this plan keep it simple. Watcher and Tracker, any more just hurts the plan and puts more at risk. Think like Day 9 says. You don't need a big lead, go for the sure small lead it will add up over the game. We don't need a miracle plan to confirm all the townies we get the watcher and and tracker teamed up and we have already made the town much stronger. we can then build off this, but if we get greedy then it makes things too dangerous.
yeah but if we do this then the watcher has a list of almost ALL the blue roles, and red power roles as well if they decide to fake claim
so then he could set up his circle with just the tracker night 2 or something
or we could do the simpler one first and the more complex one second, but regardless we all have to agree on it so someone doesnt fuck it up
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Heyy
Pyrr! Pandain!
since you're among the two dudes actually reading the thread whaddya think?
it's an UPDATE on my larjarse
+ Show Spoiler +hey lets look at larjarse's latest posts! On August 07 2010 01:54 larjarse wrote:
TBH rastaban is also looking quite suspicious. He is trying to do so much planning as a townie. I WANT THE MAN DEAD retarded spam On August 07 2010 02:11 larjarse wrote:
Valid point, rastaban. I am just G checking you to get some text.. As you can see, I haven't change my vote. retarded spam On August 07 2010 01:50 larjarse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote:I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz  LOLing that noone said anything about this. And once he proclaimed that he is a townie, he was voted by rastaban and chaoser. Suspiciousssoo blah blah blah it's been said before On August 06 2010 15:04 larjarse wrote:
Can you stop talking about previous games? It kind of ruins the fun. spammmmm On August 06 2010 14:57 larjarse wrote:
I would say BillMurray's concern about not being randomly voted to be killed justifies that he probably isn't a Townie. what the fuck does this even mean? lol it loosk like a reason without a reason On August 06 2010 14:44 larjarse wrote:
BTW this leaves BillMurray and divinek tied at 3 votes each. blah blah we can all read dude ok you're getting my vote until you actually fucking post some content On August 07 2010 12:00 larjarse wrote:Divinek saying I spam spam spam on pg 23: This is my first game. You also excluded my posts that had content. So vote me if you please and calm down your e rage, bro. I voted BM becauese I instinctively feel like he's up to no good. If he's actually good, then oh well, it was a 1/6 chance anyways and it's only the first day. Many can sit here and theroize why people posted what and everthing, but you probably aren't going to know who anyone is today. Pyrrhuloxia United States. August 07 2010 10:12. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early.. I agree! Divinek again targeting me on pg 25: speaking of which lets have a look at some inactive or people that have posted basically nothing thus far 1)lasjarles(or whatever) !!! Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
also remember if tracker doesnt get anything from bm that either means he's town, gf, or ninja. But we should know the ninja thing cause no one will get anything, though the only way we know if these people got nothing is if they publically claim, so maybe we should have someone to do this for on day 2 as well so they dont have to publically tell us? Even though the odds are low
(at least i think if you track gf you dont get the info tracker normally would get)
so he doesnt have to be cleared, i think And the roleblocker/framer can change the entire story. Divinek seems sure that BM is going to be watched tonight and is posting his expected results to further defend BM and thus fuck over the town if he is actually scum. Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 11:46 Divinek wrote:On August 07 2010 11:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Maybe your plan isn't useless in the previous mentioned situations; it would be more accurate to say that it doesn't get any better by using BM and it could get much worse by using BM. i agree id much rather lynch him or one of the inactives and use the watcher/tracker thing on someone else So lets lynch him, and see what happens. Reading more bickering yadda yadda.. Okay lets just lynch BM and see what happens. Okey? Ok. Then maybe DivineK. since he posted a big post ill summarize my feelings of what he said here 1)he said i neglected his content posts, i quoted ALL of his posts (well okay not all i skipped two at the start that were one liners of stupid spam that everyone was doing at the time since the game JUST started so i figured they just fit in so they didnt count, but i assure you they are spam!), so he's lying LoL lets get to that later though 2) he says something we have already discussed at lenght long after that post was made, so his post is pointless rehashing of what we've covered 3) He really wants to lynch bm just to see what happens? Thanks for not helping town! Not, you look reaaaaaaaaaaaaaal bad buddy
i dare someone to say he's been useful to town in anyway so far, can someone give me a reason not to vote for him?
other people should read it too but i just wanted their attention extra special
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