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On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game.
Pretty sure BM *isn't mafia.
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On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez
If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done.
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On August 10 2010 03:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
honestly i kind of want to lynch BC for smurfing
All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after.
On August 10 2010 03:02 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:59 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all. Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii? if you read the thread you shall see  Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming?
Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him.
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This thread is like that game "Red Light/Green Light". When I'm on and following it, nothing gets posted. When I leave, it explodes.
Here's the thing about youngminii and BM. They both give us a lot of information. But there's a difference between bad posting (BM) and suspicious posting (youngminii). The town always ends up lynching people who have posted dumb ideas, or clumsily explained themselves. These people are never red. The key is to find people who are posting oddly, like youngminii has been. If you look at his posts, and compare them to the games he's been playing as town, then you see an obvious difference. He's resumed his level of activity, and I grant that activity over one day never says a lot, but since he's resumed posting, he's still not really played like he has in the past. His posts have been full of the vitriol and energy as normal, but it's like he's purposely lost his confidence in picking out mafia, and is suddenly playing like a child. He's just hitting back for no reason. I fought bitterly (and wrongly, I feel obliged to add) against him last game, but even throughout, he maintained that I was a townie. But this kind of defending where he FoS's his accuser? It's much more suspicious.
Meanwhile, BM has been posting mostly content-less post, including cat image macros, and bad plans early. But, knowing BM's style, this isn't particularly surprising. BM has done nothing else to look suspicious, only defended himself from Pyrr's ham-handed attacks. I see just another classic townie v. townie fight. He's not mafia. Let's not make the same mistakes again.
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On August 10 2010 12:49 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon. I am not in contact with brownbear AT ALL, but foolishness told me he claimed mad hatter. I am VERY suspicious of foolishness, and would endorse his lynch. If you want people to start voting him, and not voting me, I'm all for that. I have no ties whatsoever other than people who I think are town (pyrrhuloxia, ~opz~) I am suspicious of foolishness, chezinu, brownbear, xelin, youngminii
Wait he claimed MH? I just posted defending you, and then you do stupid things like roleclaiming for other people in the thread?
Bro, chill out, and start being productive so I don't look like an idiot.
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On August 10 2010 13:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
WTF DOUBLE POST
Actually, if BM actually flips green, then it is time to put pressure on foolishness, because frankly he should know better. I also wouldn't put much credence into position people took regarding certain person; I saw way much examples where player dogmatically and irrationally defended someone while being town. It by itself is not enough to incriminate someone, and should be only used as indicator - "oh he defended scum better iso him" instead of "omg he defended scum lynch him!"
Hahah, other way around.
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On August 10 2010 13:25 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 13:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
WTF DOUBLE POST
Actually, if BM actually flips green, then it is time to put pressure on foolishness, because frankly he should know better. I also wouldn't put much credence into position people took regarding certain person; I saw way much examples where player dogmatically and irrationally defended someone while being town. It by itself is not enough to incriminate someone, and should be only used as indicator - "oh he defended scum better iso him" instead of "omg he defended scum lynch him!" Hahah, other way around.
Wait, actually I'm not sure. Care to explain more? I don't follow.
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On August 10 2010 13:35 Hesmyrr wrote:
This is all WIFOM.
BrownBear and Foolishness are in contact with each other. Foolishness is also in separate contact with Bill Murray. If Foolishness is mafia, then he can kill BB with impunity, but BB might have taken insurance by telling someone about contact between them. So by telling Bill Murray, he buys an way out because he was under big pressure yesterday- and knowing his play tendency might have expected him to reveal it. The fact supporting this argument is that I see no reason for Foolishness to tell Bill Murray BB's role.
Of course I think other way is more probable, that Bill Murray is scum and he is taking advantage of Foolishness's mistake by revealing the fact that he came to knew BB's identity due to Foolishness. Knowing how Foolishness defended him, it would not be very hard to push for his lynch if BM flips red. Fact supporting this is I see no reason why Bill Murray would reveal he know BB's role- I honestly do not believe Bill thought revealing someone else's role was going to save him.
Yeah this is useless, honestly. It's a gut call whichever is more likely, and of course, they could both be town, and BM could just be reckless.
Bedtime. Expecting this thread to somehow be another twenty pages when I return because Chezinu claimed Morgan Freeman or something.
Please respond to my pm's. Thank you.
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On August 10 2010 13:51 Chezinu wrote:
Ok guys, tree.hugger is gone let's start posting!
I KNEW IT!
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Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM.
And please, if I pm'd you, please respond.
Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play.
If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that?
We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names.
INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time.
And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them.
Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief.
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On August 11 2010 22:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play.
If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that?
We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names.
INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time.
And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them.
Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. really? You weren't paying attention last game. Honestly, this post seems mafia trying to stir doubts in Xelin's circle....What Leak are you talking about? BB?
Alright look. Bum's right, I got a little annoyed. But after the OSL this morning, I'm feeling better.
I had already heard several of the claims that Pandain had made. It seemed to me that a ninja and a mafia player could be expected to play similarly, because they both had something to hide. But I couldn't fathom a reason why anyone would falsely claim ninja. If a mafia member claimed ninja, they'd be taking a big risk that word of their role wouldn't leak. Maybe that role would confirm the player to the town, but with other ninja's in the game who's sole obvjective is to kill other ninjas, this would be a terrible claim to make. Why on earth would the mafia risk dying to a third party? At the same time, a blue role claiming ninja would be phenomenally dumb. Risking, your death to infiltrate a circle that you're already aligned to? Therefore, I felt strongly that Pandain must be the role he initially presented himself as, because only a ninja would actually claim ninja, and then attempt to muddy the waters with other claims. There's no benefit for a townie, and there's too much risk for the mafia.
That said, no matter how much evidence we had against Pandain, then the lynch was still a bad idea, because it took a potentially touchy situation (a split vote) for the mafia, and gave the mafia a third option that would relieve them of any suspicion, and save one of their own. I'm pretty sure that youngminii is mafia, and I'd love to vote to test it out. Most people in the thread seemed convinced of either this, or BM's guilt. If we find a mafia between these two, then we've got a fantastic trove of evidence to pick from.
But now, we're going to have to do it all again.
And furthermore, to answer your question about whatever town circle is operating, I have people I trust for reasons that are my own. I have not had any of these people divulge anything sensitive we've discussed publicly, meanwhile, I can count several leeks in the the thread from XeliN's circle. I'm expecting tonights deaths to really really suck, because someone in your circle told someone else, and that person told someone else, and if the mafia is playing this game at all, they've probably heard everything.
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"Death is but a door. Time is but a window. I'll be back."
- Vigo the Carpathian
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I'm somewhat glad I got out when I did. Freed up a lot of time, and things pretty much went south after that. But seriously? Me as a ninja? Poor call.
Biggest mafia triumph? When XeliN said "Well at least now BB is confirmed."
Biggest failure? Foolishness reading us like a book day one and two. He sent me a PM that listed four of us as under suspicion.
Also, after my death, people were speculating about my motivations... but in pretty much every one of my posts and pm's, I was only trying to say exactly what I was thinking as a townie. The Pandain lynch was a terrible play. We should've lynched youngminii. If town had just listened to me from the start, you would've won much sooner!
That said, GG WP town.
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