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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 01:01 GMT
#884
I think BM defending can seem scummy in a certain light, but honestly I dont think he is scum from what Ive seen. His posts are fluffy, but I think he would be a bit more careful if he was red. Ill try to gather some things on him if im alive after the night. Hopefully im on the lesser end of the KP spectrum
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 02:47 GMT
#906
Oh wow Pyrr, I got the same exact PM from LSB, that PM WHORE!

Also, LSB and I got talking before he died, and I guess since night is over and we hopefully have some blues communicating, I can safely post this.

Sorry, I forgot Chez pmed me in response to my mass PM
He sent me this video (I feel noob. Somehow I didn't get the connection between Chez and Chezinu)

I responded with the good old "i can play this game too" response

Chez/his puppet sounds like the're with Flamewheel, trying to make a memorable Mafia XXX.
Sounds fun

Sorry :S

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Chez aint the only one with mind games Im thinking he has to be a power role now whether or not hes scum. But he is Chezinu, so I wouldnt put it past him to just do this as a vanilla.

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FFFFFFFF. Chez never talked to me. You can handle this right? Just don't let Chez know we were talking. And string him along, putting the information where it belongs

Yeah, I'm the one pushing the plan, Foolishness contacts me with a scummy post, assuming I'm a 14 year year old noob.

I probably won't die because Foolishness thinks I'm working with him

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lol holy shit, chez told me that he told you he was a DT, but told me he is actually a tracker...

God damn you really think you are going to die?

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Careful there, Chez hasn't talked to me at all.
Don't tell me anything. Always a good habit to get into.

*Fingers crossed*
*knocks on wood* <--- My friend always does that, I'll give it a try

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Absolutely, I actually was talking with bill Murray about divine, not sure about misder, but this really sparks it. And btw Chez told me his "information" also. He told me some stuff, but dont say anything to me that he might have confided in you. Hopefully the watcher is good

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Okay, I am sending this to you in case I die. You are not the only person I am sending this to.

All I ask is that if I die, can you post this message? Think of it as my will. I will reveal this tomorrow. I played along with Foolishness because I need to survive.

If I do not die, just don't do anything with this, Please. I'll whip it out Day 2 if my plan went well.

I also suspect Divenk/Misder are mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517&currentpage=11#202, read below he sounds fake.

Forgive me, I'm paranoid

Message below Foolishness sounds scummy
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yessir.

Here's what we can do first. Get a list together of everyone that's commented on your plan. We want to find people who have pointed out minor flaws in your plan without saying much else (most likely mafia). People who actively criticize your plan are probably town (they don't want the town to enact some stupid plan), and people who try to improve your plan are probably town as well. If someone makes a moot post pointing out a flaw or passively agreeing to it, they are top suspect.

Obviously it's night time and not a lot of people are around so we're not going to have a lot of data, but it'll be a start.

Let me know what you find. We'll then figure out someone for you to start PMing with.

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Sure, I'll help you

Of course, you're going along with the plan right?

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Hello, I am Foolishness

I am asking you to help me in finding the mafia among the lurkers.

I have sent this PM to you because I think you can help me out. It is crucial for us, as the town, to use PMing to our advantage to weed out the mafia members.

Although no plan is foolproof, I ask if you are willing to PM other players in order to get them to slip up. There are some people that would act differently if I were to PM them, since I am apparently a figurehead for this game. There's also a limit to the amount of people I am able to keep track of through PMs (and right now it's a lot). The benefits are great, and as long as you run things by me the risks are small.

I look forward to hearing from you
Foolishness

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Hello, I am LSB.
I am asking you to follow this plan for night one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/v..._id=139517&currentpage=43#845

I have sent this PM to everyone playing Mafia XXX. In order for us to succeed, we need to work together.

Although no plan is foolproof, I ask that you go though and review it. We could not find any way that the mafia could slip and disrupt it. I believe the plan speaks for itself. The benifts are great, and the risks are small

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions
LSB
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 03:01 GMT
#919
And here are my PMs with chez, how very dirty of him, hopefully blues can piece this together properly. I did make some other PMs to chezinus initial response, but that was me recovering from chez. It discloses my role, but I dont think thats as important.

Haters gonna hate, but try to make it relevant, and you are playing the game, try to read up on everything please -_-

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Just so you know, I haven't read the thread this game. I've been talking to flamewheel the most out of everyone in this game. He is the one who came up with the video every post.. I agreed, but then later said, how about a story every post.. I was the last person to join.. flamewheel wanted me to play.. He offered me a challenge.. A challenge I might lose..

Pretty much, I'm just waiting for Day 1 to end so that I can start playing.. Well night 1 now. Once he announce how long day 1 was going to be I was like.. afk... I've just been waiting for the game to start.. As I wait, I try to come up with stories/videos to make flamewheel happy. As flame predicted, people are going to get sick of my videos and are going to get mad. The challenge is to see if I can last.

If you were in my position, what would you do?

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Oh god hahaha well, I can say I know who the tracker is if you want, and tell people after the night is over whatever you want them to know.

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ok, but I'm not the watcher.. I'm a tracker!

I have to post videos and stories in thread for other reasons.

I'm scared to post this...

+ Show Spoiler +


people are getting mad..

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lol ok, do you want me to be a spokesperson? I can publicly say who you will watch, wont give any hints to who you are, and you can say what you need to.

You dont have to let me know anything, in fact if you think the facts are inconclusive or not safe to know, you keep them to yourself. Any info you want to say, I will state "The watcher... blahblahblah" That way mafia will only try to kill me and not a blue. Alright?

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Guess who visited The Scribe?

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OK went over details. Im assuming you are a watcher, and you are hinting blues to visit that scribe dude. If mafia doesnt see it coming, or catch it you can start building a circle. Are you thinking I was blue? I am vanilla. I figure it wouldnt really matter if you knew, and why would you PM me if you were red? So im throwin my chips in with you. I can be a spokesperson if you or whatever. Hopefully there is no roleblocker or he doesnt notice.

Hope a med protects you too, but then you wouldnt find out who that is :D
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Town no lynch me. They shoot me or my mafia teammates lynch me. Or I'm attached to an aggro manic who gets me lynched.

I liked how you address town at the being + townie points. youngminii is annoying me. Its like he is trying to defend me badly on purpose. You can kill him if you want. Ninja power to you! I'll be stalking the scribe tonight. I'm working on my writing skills. If you don't know what I mean then you might have missed it in the story I wrote.

Well from all the eyes and "art" I made the assumption that you are the watcher, not crazy about lying to someone about your role. What are you going to do when he asks what his role is? He is new so I have no idea about him. He does act a little towny, but I really go by cold hard facts. Ive never made any huge mistakes playing my way.

Would you like me to prepare a death post or something if he is? If they have a roleblocker, I wouldnt put that out of the question. But that means we can narrow it down to him, you and myself as mafia if you do get RB'd or sniped tonight IMO. But then again, I think scum would RB you anyway to be safe if they have it.

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I've chosen to tell the truth to you.

I'm leading LSB astray, hinting that I'm a DT and am checking him tonight. That is, if he reads into my paintings too much..

Did you notice anything odd about one of the paintings?

It wouldnt hurt, plus the real watcher will know that you are a blue. As long as he isnt stupid, your role is safe with him.

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I've never followed a plan offered by someone in the game of mafia.. Should I start now?

lol beats me man, there are so many roles, Id hope the vig would save his hit and I think scum only has 3kp?

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I think about 5 people are going to die tonight.. I wonder if I'm going to get a bus ride...


Sorry chez, I just dont feel comfortable going to the grave with this stuff, and I assume you have a medic in the potential circle that can help you out.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 03:03 GMT
#920
Ive talked with LSB Chez, and I no longer feel comfortable having these conversations with you.

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I think the bus driver moved me..


I cant handle the pressure -_-
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 03:07 GMT
#925
On August 09 2010 12:03 zeks wrote:
wtf is going on in pm land

urge to vote for the "scribe"


Why the scribe? What would that prove -_-
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 03:11 GMT
#930
On August 09 2010 12:08 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 12:03 bumatlarge wrote:
Ive talked with LSB Chez, and I no longer feel comfortable having these conversations with you.

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I think the bus driver moved me..


I cant handle the pressure -_-

Ok, let's have the conversation in public. I visited the scribe last night and saw nothing, yet the scribe claims to have visited someone last night.


How do you know? Where does he say this? Maybe his methods of interpretation are vastly different from yours, which apparently is not a very hard thing to do. I thought you were going to track xelin!!! What are you doing chez? Think about us! WHATS ABOUT OUR FUTURE!
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 03:20 GMT
#939
Im not trying to get you lynched here chez, I just want a straight answer.

Darth you think Varesh visited someone? And chez says he didnt? Well Im calling poppycock, I want some answers.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 03:37 GMT
#955
On August 09 2010 12:26 DarthThienAn wrote:
I have an idea.

My suggestion is that we coordinate better if we know what units we have on the field. The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces. Every game where I've seen people nameclaim or roleclaim I've seen the town win as far as I can remember. Do you guys want to win? I am very competitive. I know I like to. I will risk my life for you guys. Feel free to claim to me. If everyone would just trust me this one time, we could have an epic game.


Basically, I'm waiting to hear about more of what went down Night 1. >>.


Id love to Darth, considering you've been gone a bit, but then 2 greens and a 'miss' pop up, and that would seem that the mafia havent been playing too close attention if other people have been questioning why those indiviuals were hit. Im sure you and I know all about what people we should and should not hit (I.E. Dont shoot your bodyguards and kill your pardoner, but leave yourself alive as mayor )

Most people tend to make the same mistake twice...
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 05:54 GMT
#1023
On August 09 2010 14:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
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On August 09 2010 14:26 Foolishness wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:24 DarthThienAn wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:08 youngminii wrote:
Why are we voting Divinek?
If we're gonna vote for someone completely random with no plan and no hard evidence I suggest foolishness. If he really is Vet, well he's lost his usefulness since he already soaked up a hit but I think he's scum trying to look active and pointing fingers everywhere. Obviously I have no evidence so if people want to vote someone else, be my guest but there's as much chance that foolishness is scum as Divinek/BM being scum.

Better get rid of foolishness now if he really is fake claiming then trust him later (assuming he is scum).


Are you kidding me? If he really is vet, then he is a confirmed townie. How is that useless?


On August 09 2010 14:14 Bill Murray wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why?

youngminii: already been said. I plan on doing an indepth analysis tomorrow (I really need to go sleep shortly >.<)

Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything.

Chezinu: Fits the bill with youngminii (notice how youngminii is protective of Chezinu during day 1). Also I don't think you're mafia, Pyrry's not mafia, I'm not mafia, which leaves Chezinu as top candidate for balancing purposes. Infundibulum also fits for balancing since he's one of the most experienced players in this game as well.

Weeding through the inactives/lurkers is a tiring and troublesome process.


This gives me townie cred with you
I wish people would be more open with their roles, though.
I'll be back in an hour or so.


So that you can hit more accurately tonight? ^^

Didn't you read his posts? I've used up my extra life so I got nothing else to live for. Forget about establishing town circles and the what not...I've lost my extra life. Therefore I am useless.

So perhaps we can lynch you to confirm this?


:/ is this now a joke game? Here's the deal.

1. Lynch some more inactive person like oh gee i dont know
Artanis[Xp]
KF91
Pandain
Amber[LighT]
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Roffles
larjarse
SouthRawrea
BrownBear

Forgive me if they have been active but i havent seen to much of them.

2. If you really want to accuse someone, do it with one simple post. Bold their name at the top and then analyze all you want. Mafia like nothing more then when EVERY SINGLE PERSON point to the person next to them. Honestly who hasnt been accused of being a "certain scum"
Just calm down, and present your argument CLEARLY. We can then democraticly discuss this and vote on a proper lynch victim.

3. We have information hopefully that mafia doesnt have. If you are a well informed town keep it to yourself unless someone is confirmed. I.E. We kill the GF, because no one is confirmed until that person is dead. Include that in your gigantic analyzing also.

Thank for riding Bum airlines.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 06:00 GMT
#1026
ok inf decides to join the party, take a seat right over there, we can all use a little "changing it up this game"

I personally feel Chez is tracker, because hes not inhuman. He may be doing some scum stunt, but I think we can at least rely on him to do his job if he is tracker. Otherwise he is a free hit. So Chez if you would like to clear anything up, please do so. We can understand if you want to confuse mafia members luring them in to hit you, but Im sure you can give us an idea of what you are doing. Honestly if you said "I am a Tracker" they would still think twice about hitting you, even without buses and medics
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 06:18 GMT
#1038
You are awesome chez, and my bad thought I saw OPZ post recently, I must be delusional.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 06:21 GMT
#1040
On August 09 2010 15:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why?

Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything.


Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed.

That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin.

Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked.

So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness.

If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there.

But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?!

So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance....


Not sure if im following... You realize mafia might have framer and roleblocker, right?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 16:41 GMT
#1090
IF FOOLISHNESS IS MADIA THEN HE IS THE GF. The only way we can confirm him is illing him (lol) or finding the GF and then checking foolishness.

As for BB, i really dont see a problem I gess. If we just have the DT check and the watcher watch him, we can catch a framer. If the try to kill him, wham bam watcher gets the info. Only beef with it is the GF situation again, really need to get it out of here :/

But the watcher can create lists and keep his mouth shut. If he watches and only 1 person visits, they stay alive and say they werent RBd we have a blue or a framer. Id suggest the watcher to then talk with him because the odds are good, especially if its someone nlikely to be framed.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 16:44 GMT
#1091
IF FOOLISHNESS IS MADIA THEN HE IS THE GF. The only way we can confirm him is illing him (lol) or finding the GF and then checking foolishness.

As for BB, i really dont see a problem I gess. If we just have the DT check and the watcher watch him, we can catch a framer. If the try to kill him, wham bam watcher gets the info. Only beef with it is the GF situation again, really need to get it out of here :/

But the watcher can create lists and keep his mouth shut. If he watches and only 1 person visits, they stay alive and say they werent RBd we have a blue or a framer. Id suggest the watcher to then talk with him because the odds are good, especially if its someone nlikely to be framed.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 16:47 GMT
#1093
On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.

Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything.


The fact that you play angry, jump to conclusions and generally are very unhelpful doesnt help either.

@KF: BB can still be vanilla, as I think someone stated that people are told if they are waxed no matter their role.

Also, can mafia refuse to RB?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 16:56 GMT
#1096
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.

Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 18:09 GMT
#1104
On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.

Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez

If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done.


Just saying dont generalize everyoen who has disagreed with young as 'confirmed' if he is mafia. I mean everyone seems to be butting heads, I wouldnt put it past scum to do the same thing, especially with someone like young.

Artanis, this is the only plausible plan for scum to put foolish as a reg mafia is if when a watcher and DT check, watcher would assume the DT is framer or foolish is red. As watcher I would push foolish, if not claim, because then watcher can get a confirmed DT, or confirmed framer. The watcher would then get priority med protection while foolish gets lynched OR framer still frames foolish even when hes scum, and he would get himself killed, while the framer would have to fake a active blue role the rest of the game. Both the framer and DT would be unknown to each other andif framer doesnt claim DT he would be lynched before the DT. If he does claim DT, watcher can confuse either by asking them to check each other or a random person. The framer would have to guess DT, while the DT checks normally regardless of who it is. Likelihood of 3 DTs is very small, so watcher would point at the liar, netting 2 scum and keeping the DT safe.

I see no reason for foolish to not choose GF, as he only sacrifices himself for towny confusion if he isnt lynched immediately. If watcher, DT and framer all target foolish, then previous situation, assuming framer overrides GF.Other blues would have to not act, and multiple watchers or DTs would not hinder the situation.

I think... it might be better to try with BB, because its assumed GF picks veteran? if foolish is a vet or GF, then the probability of BB being a more unique role without being GF increases the likelihood of his innocence. The more people who put themselves forward in situations that would require the GF role get away with, the better the chances that one of them are legitimate. Is this logic sound?

My head hurts someone else think for me.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 18:20 GMT
#1106
Im not going to push foolish or BB, because by that process we cant really form a towny circle without hitting a GF (xonsidering no one has come forward, its possible that this is either planned, or completely legit, but one of them at least has to be innocent because of what I said earlier about faking as a regular red). Unless town disagrees, we should keep them alive for blues to work on. If either is killed by mafia i dont know what to do because if we assume the other is red, scum will just hit one if they are both innocent and get a free day of no lynching.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 19:25 GMT
#1117
If red can abstain from roleblocking i guess... i dont know im playin the devils advocate. Hell there might not even be a framer, lets just go with the BB targetting for watcher and DT? Nosy neighbor is just chance, im sre it would only help out later on. Not sure who we should lynch though. Some other inactive or should we actually go for someone suspicious like young or bill?
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 09 2010 19:30 GMT
#1120
Aw promised chez i wouldnt push him, and still think hes a tracker

Also im assuming mafia has a roleblocker, but then again if they didnt and BB is... but we can remember that later, just be wary of who says they get RB'd in the future.
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