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can we please get a voting thread? It'd be a lot easier on EVERYONE if there was a place to just look at votes.
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I assume there's at least going to be a DT and medic. Do we even have vigis? 7 people, 3 mafia, that's like two day/night cycles in worst case scenario?
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oh ok, for some reason I thought there were only 10 people playing, guess it was 10 townies.
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what's the difference between all the doctors?
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On August 09 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e. Pyrr asked that question On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true. BM responded On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace Thanks. If this wasn't the case I was going to suggest lynching Bm after he gives us the list to confirm it. Of course, that would have been a badly overpowered thing to put in the game... so never-mind.
It's be pretty OP even if he got one name of the mafia since we're bound to ask him why he's just voting and then start making guesses to what his penalty is. The two likely ways he's acting the way he is if he's a day-time DT who can only vote and he checked ace or he's just dicking around.
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## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute
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On August 09 2010 07:43 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute wait so are you saying bm is red with pyrr...? or he's just a mindless townie following something someone said because he likes to fuck around? i'm confused to your line of reasoning here because it doesnt really make sense. Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has. i just want more explanations sir
Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has.
this, I think it's really weird that right after he voted ace, pyrr just so happened to be like, hey, is it cause you can't talk cause you have information on who's mafia via a list or something and then BM was like vote/unvote. THEN pyrr was like hey, if ace is on the list, vote/unvote and BM did. Seems kinda iffy to me don't you think? But then they got caught with the whole "no post restrictions" thing and have to backtrack now.
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I would never think that he had a list or something, just that he couldn't talk for whatever reason, i dunno, it just seemed like an odd jump of logic from
BM: vote Ace
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Pyrr: do you have a list of mafia/Ace is on that list
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He's on vacation I think, he'll be on as soon as he find internet service (he said this in other mafia game)
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On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.
I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.
There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.
##Vote Bill Murray
I don't understand, what would mafia count becoming 4 mean? they have more KP? You become mafia? where's the 4th mafia?
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On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them."
I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies?
I think there ARE vanilla townies but even they have "actions" aka VOTING. Notice the two examples, shy and scared. They can say, I can only do my action on someone who isn't majority voted or something like that
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Ace, basically people are staying, if you have an "action", the person is a blue, if you're like I can only vote for non-majority then the person is townie. By making everyone out their penalties, it's easy to see which is blue and which is not. Mafia don't need to know if they are medic/DT/etc., just that they are blue
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example: if I was like, I can only do my action on people who didn't get voted on, then people might make the judgement that I am blue. But If I was like, I can't vote for someone unless three people already voted for that person, then I'd be more likely to be townie
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LSB, use blue instead of medic, I think that works better
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People are not saying mafia will know the specific role of each player, just that they will know if the player is blue or not -_-
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EPT
