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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 23 2010 06:10 GMT
#22
/in
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 01:52 GMT
#97
On August 08 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 10:17 citi.zen wrote:
On August 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure your role will be useful. I think I've got a great idea:

Looking at what we know town has almost no information at all. Not even what roles are in the game or a count. All we have is that there are 3 scum in the game. I know for sure though that the town has to have a Vigilante. Based on this I need everyone to chime in because of something pretty awesome.

We don't have to roleclaim, but it's in our best interests to publicly announce what our penalty is if we have one. I'll share how we'll go about this when more players start posting.

I think everyone but the mafia has a penalty:

all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 23:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
3. Mafia will be provided with safe penalty claims to make early mass claim detrimental.


Whatever that means. Probably I'm guessing that Mafia penalties aren't hurtful penalties, so what you were thinking



im confused as to what a safe penalty claim is even supposed to be. A safe penalty almost sounds like an oxymoron to me

but i guess we dont get alot of info, this is the first like uh not standard game ive played since starting here so i hope it shall be fun and this is me saying hi
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 03:18 GMT
#103
i was expecting more spam than that from bm
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 06:34 GMT
#114
oh god this is the best penalty ever rofl

you're such a saint hesmyrr
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 06:40 GMT
#117
i think it would be far too broken if he had even one of the mafia members given to him

maybe he has a partial list of confirmed townies or something and he's voting for ace since he's not on that list?

or maybe he's just being a dick since he cant talk
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 07:16 GMT
#123
it's so hard to speculate things because bm is always weird and there's like an infinite possibility for things you can or cannot do based on what could be given out isnt there
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 16:21 GMT
#149
On August 09 2010 01:15 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote:
On August 09 2010 00:13 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 00:11 citi.zen wrote:
Bill, do just know Ace, or all the reds? Change vote to them sequentially if you know them, otherwise vote me then go back to w/e.

Pyrr asked that question
On August 08 2010 15:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Hey Bill Murray. I think your role might be that you get a list of the mafia, or at least a partial list of the mafia, but you aren't allowed to talk. You are only allowed to make votes. If this is true, change your vote to scamp again and then to a mafia member that is not ace (if you have more than him) and then back to ace. Or just from scamp to ace if you only know Ace.
Just ignore this if it isn't true.


BM responded
On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp

unvote
vote ace

Thanks. If this wasn't the case I was going to suggest lynching Bm after he gives us the list to confirm it. Of course, that would have been a badly overpowered thing to put in the game... so never-mind.


It's be pretty OP even if he got one name of the mafia since we're bound to ask him why he's just voting and then start making guesses to what his penalty is. The two likely ways he's acting the way he is if he's a day-time DT who can only vote and he checked ace or he's just dicking around.


i think both are equally as likely, if not the second being more likely than the first option

it's really all whether you believe him or not, because that's what it is going to come down to. You can't really rely on someone like Ace slipping up, and he's a very persuasive player so he could easily talk himself out of something I'm sure.

But something like this doesnt entirely convince me of ace or bm's alignment. Since bm can act like a retard regardless of his role as we've seen and well uh i could see him doing this just as a way to get ace killed to piss him off.

ill wait for more actual talking to go on before being convinced of something so easily

though i guess bm can't do alot of that at the moment lol
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 21:51 GMT
#162
yeah given what you've said so far you might as well tell us then lol
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 22:05 GMT
#164
On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_-

I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure.



sounds like quite the dangerous role to have if you're gonna bring up it's importance and then just not say why it's so bad?

im curious how the ace/bm thing interferes with us knowing your 'role' and how 5 more people would make that situation any different.

ill show you mine if you show me yours wink wink
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 22:39 GMT
#180
On August 09 2010 07:25 Ace wrote:
@zeks: Right above where it says special rules in the OP.

Aside from Bill Murray talk about the mass penalty claim.



hmm you would think he wouldnt be retarded enough to do something so poor so obviously, at least if he was red since this play puts him right in the spot light, but i dont put it past him. I dont wanna hop on the wagon just yet because he's done dumb shit as town but after hearing him speak i can be more than happy killing him if he's screwing with and confusing the town even if he is green

the mass penalty claim, hm i dont see how it could be bad for town? Unless perhaps there are penalties that relate to death like mine, which could have negative side effects if the mafia kill that person or something?

it seems like it is far more beneficial for us to be aware of each other's restrictions so we dont paint them in a poor light for something they're unable to do, or perhaps behaving in a strange way because they have to.

Could we reason out the scum from having the penalties? I dont know... maybe the scum might make up one that doesnt make any sense and we could try to catch them that way?

it's hard because you have to think like how the host would think more so than just a general idea, though im sure there are some impossibilities we could eliminate based on claims in instances where something would break the game i guess.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 22:43 GMT
#182
On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr

for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute


wait so are you saying bm is red with pyrr...?

or he's just a mindless townie following something someone said because he likes to fuck around?

i'm confused to your line of reasoning here because it doesnt really make sense.

Not that i think what you're saying is totally unreasonable, i mean pyrr practically did invent his role for him incase that wasnt what he already has.

i just want more explanations sir
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 22:55 GMT
#187
On August 09 2010 07:53 Ace wrote:
Chaoser I said the same thing earlier. Especially knowing that BM is an idiot, why would you make up a penalty for him KNOWING that would fuck around to try and kill me. Pyrr should know better than that.


that's unless he's trying to get an early wagon started on you lol

wouldnt that be an ideal first day lynch for the mafia, towns most experienced/recognized name...
i dont like it at all

hm

##vote pyrr
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 22:56 GMT
#188
also where the fuck has pandain been it's not like him to be inactive
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 08 2010 23:56 GMT
#195
On August 09 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright basically, I am a tree stump. If I use my power, I cannot die, and cannot vote. BUT if I use it, town pop goes down 1, and mafia pop goes up by 1.

I.E. if i used it right now, town population would be 9 and mafia count would be 4. Im assuming that, if all the mafia are lynched out, then town wins regardless.

There are no PMs allowed, so I cant accept mass roleclaim, so I dont really see a reason for me to use it anyway.

##Vote Bill Murray


so i saw you posted something and then voted, but can you justify your vote plz or say why you're doing it etc

do you have your own line of reasoning or are you just wagoning cause you hate bm, cause i can totally understand that man

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 00:09 GMT
#198
On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain

Talk
##vote BillMurray

Other Issues
-If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful

Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D

As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this
Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia
Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia
Therefore Pyrr is mafia.

However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM



why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more.

infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 01:04 GMT
#225
On August 09 2010 09:33 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.

Maybe I should ask my questions in PM form to the mod then :S

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 09:09 Divinek wrote:
On August 09 2010 08:32 LSB wrote:
On August 09 2010 07:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Lol "No post restriction bs though."
Why didn't you post that earlier, Ace?
##abstain

Talk
##vote BillMurray

Other Issues
-If BM actually has a weird post restriction stuff. Well after he's lynched we'll find out his role. That would be pretty helpful

Why BM would do this, assuming he's mafia:
Immediately, town got in a huge disarray. A split was made. BM was counting on this working so that Ace would die the first day. We then see that Ace is clean, and day 2 we would lynch BM and his best supporter, who would happen to be green. Bill's death buys 2 days and 2 innocents.
However, looks like he made a small mistake :D

As for lynching Pyrr. I would advise AGAINST lynching Pyrr now. The logic works like this
Premise 1) If Bill Murry is Mafia, Pyrr is mafia
Premise 2) Bill Murry is Mafia
Therefore Pyrr is mafia.

However, we should first confirm premise #2. We do that by lynching BM. We're going to lynch BM anyways, so why not now? Lynching Pyrr first could lead to a dead townie. And Pyrr being green does not tell us anything about BM



why is the logic that way? why cant it be the other way around, i was going to go into some big thing of explaining propositional calculus to you and other people but im sure that would just confuse people more.

infact why does it have to go either way at all for sure. Surely there can be reasons for them both being mafia, or one and not the other...or even oddly enough neither i suppose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent Go brush up on your Propositional Calculus.

And Ace's post seems like complete BS.
BM does a vote post. We all go wtf?
Pyrr was the first one to think that BM might have some post restriction thingy, and so he tests it out. That's being smart. Not manipulative.


you dont need to tell me to brush up on anything believe me!

i know what the basic idea you're getting into was but you dont really understand the fundamental underlying principals and i was going to explain them to you (to demonstrate instances where your reasoning could be faulty since you didnt explain your assumptions), but i realized after reading it over you and most other people probably wouldnt be able to make sense of it

and it wouldnt matter anyways, because now that ace has actually explained the assumptions i agree with what he is saying

that and we practically get to policy lynch someone like bm for lying, if it cant happen in XXX at least it happens here to the badie

##unvote
##vote bill murray

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 01:13 GMT
#233
On August 09 2010 10:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
##unvote
##vote Ace

Nice job for outing like four blues already.
Fuck you BM for screwing around. Don't sign up for anything again if you are gonna play like this (assuming you're not red).



rofl i just vote for bm based on something logical and then you say that

and it brings me to this whole big circle again

is bm actually saying something useful against ace? maybe
is pyrr mafia and trying to use his luck to push us to lynch ace when he knows bms info must be incomplete and incorrect?

is pyrr actually right because what he just said made alot of sense

fuck this game man im asking more questions than im able to answer and i dont like that at all
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 01:16 GMT
#234
On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting

basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what

yeah i'm not very useful


oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.

Penalties:

Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power

@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?
[/b][/b]

um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty

because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed

and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 01:19 GMT
#239
On August 04 2010 17:33 Bill Murray wrote:
even if this is for testing purposes, i'm going to get ace lynched


i just found a hilariously interesting post on page 3 before the game even started
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 09 2010 01:20 GMT
#242
On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote:
On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote:
On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote:
i'm up for the penalty posting

basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what

yeah i'm not very useful


oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie.

Penalties:

Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power

@bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works?


um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty

because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed

and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated



eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either.
[/b][/b]


what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
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