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On August 13 2010 09:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Read that. No wait hold your face palm. He died. And the only two people who I think actually understood what he was saying was citizen and LSB.
By understand, you mean call out his BS, sure. I don't get why you are suddenly accepting Ace logic. Please explain.
It's strange how you suddenly think that Ace was acting in the interest of the town.
Is it just me, do did you say that Aces idea was correct?
I have a detailed post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137823¤tpage=22#439 Before you go a step in the direction of Aces logic, please answer the faults
Dead men do tell lies
He says he would tell us the name of the person he visits, but he never mentions ANYONE's name after that post. The last person he was arguing with citizen, myself and LSB. He knew he was not getting lynched, I suppose, because he knew who he was protecting was red? The obvious person would be bill I guess, but we three were the last to argue with him. The last person he mentions who is alive by name is LSB. Why didnt he just come out and say he was visiting the person he thought? I dont know, but I can guarantee it was one of the 4 of us. He calls LSB scum at one point though after a long argument on who should be lynched -_-
Ace was unoriginal, I called him scum first, and he just stole it from me. I actually take pride in the fact that Ace called me scum. He called two people in the game scum. Me and Pyrr
Let's look at the world your proposing. Your proposing that Ace, protecting me, got killed because I was 'scum'. Big problem.
Okay, you missed some key points. Who did the Mafia kill? No one has claimed a vigi hit, and the doctor was protecting me.
As unbelievable as it seems, I believe the Mafia killed Ace, hoping to send the town into disarray.
I need everyone to read the whole thread over, There is alot of stuff I could have missed.
Now the interesting part, how do we know it was not me? Well lets find out, assuming those 3 vote me, and i vote one of them, it will be for the rest to decide. If I get the majority, I will treestump before the day is over. The population will then be 7-4. But we will lynch one of these 3, and sorry korynne, bill is the most obvious. The population will then be 7-3, exactly the same as if I was lynched anyway. Dont care about his little vig stories. So go ahead guys, convince them to lynch me.
I dare you.
I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Don't kill yourself, I know your town.
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[QUOTE]On August 13 2010 09:59 bumatlarge wrote:
He died. I dont care about the logic part, I care that he knew his role would get him killed that night if he visited scum.[quote]
He also 'knew' his plan would work and help the town.
You cannot ignore what is true and what is false
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You did this before. Completely ignored his claim and focused on his line of reasoning. He said he confirmed something about his role, and it happened. Im not saying I agree with his logic about penalties. Im saying he was right about something with his plan, since he did indeed die at night.
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I'm sorry, but how else am I suppose to respond.
"OMG IZ SO ANGRY!"
There are two ways to respond. Calmly and focusing and the argument presented. And Completely ignoring the argument and saying "I don't care about logic".
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Well then you need to clarify on people, do you think citizen and BM are mafia? I only choose you because of Ace took his visit to the grave. There could still be a vet, but I guess they would have claimed immediately, unless there role prevents them. Jayme for instance seems a like that with Goth, but not sure why he would get hit. We only have a slice of the penalty pie.[/quote]
I was so sure BM was mafia Day one, but after Ace fliped blue, I realized I needed to take time to think things through.
As for Citi.zen, I did not notice what you pointed out.
I can understand citi.zen's point of view, at times during day 1 I was tempted to switch my vote to Ace. But at the same time, it does pose interesting questions.
From what I gathered, Citi.zen has been asking questions and probing everyone. I don't know what that means, maybe I should look at some of his old games
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He did not know that his role would get him killed that night.
He 'deduced it' by making critical assumptions.
Ace sounded surprised when he died
On August 11 2010 09:29 Ace wrote:
oh are you fucking serious?
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On August 13 2010 21:59 Korynne wrote:
BM you shoud hit tonight, otherwise you are not "confirmed" and will very likely be lynched tomorrow given the amount of people suspecting you. So even if just by self-preservation, pick someone and go.
I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante...
Also don't stump bum... >_>
Agreed.
BM you have a lot of suspicion on you, and if two people don't die tonight, you're probably going to be lynched tomorrow.
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Okay, I'm really sorry, but I got an inpromptu trip to chicago, as my best friend who moved away when I was 7 came over.
I'll try being active tomorrow as for now
##Vote 24 hour extension
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Okay, as promised, I will start a series of long posts.
Where are we now.: Numbers
+ Show Spoiler +Now:: 6v3 a) 6v2 if we correct lynch. Day 4 is 5v2 b) 5v3 if we Mislynch, Day 4 Lylo (4v3) Tomorrow! (If we correct lynch): 5v2 a) 5v1 if we correct lynch. Day 5 is 4v1. b) 4v2 if we mislynch. Day 5 Lylo What this means: - We can't use a vig hit anymore.
- If we mess up today or tomorrow we are in Lylo
Where are we now.: Votes
+ Show Spoiler +Korynne (3)
citi.zen
Bill Murray
Divinek
Bill Murray (2)
bumatlarge
chaoser
Not voted yet (4): Korynne, Scamp, Darththienan, Yours Truely What this means - Unless we dredge up a new target, either Korynne or Bill Murray is on the chopping block right now.
- The vote is actually even, 3v3, because Korynne has not voted yet.
Things we found out night 2
+ Show Spoiler +Bill Murray did not hit anyone. LSB, Bum, and Kor wanted BM to hit someone so he confirms himself.
Bill Murray doesn't want to send us into Lylo due to a mishit.
Understandable, but at the same time, we still are at a problem, we can't tell if BM is town or not, drawing up more confusion.
Zeks Died.
Zeks had a role that could either make Lylo come a day earlier or a day late.
Zeks was not very active
Zeks voted.
Day 1: BM. Wanted Penalty posting
Day 2: BM, then Abstain, then Chaoser
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Case Study, Youngminii
Divinek makes a drunk post. Wants to kill Yongminii because he hasn't contributed anything to the town. Mentions one kindof scummy post
citi.zen pops up and agrees with Divinek
Bill Murray wants to kill someone
Scamp randomly appears and kills Youngminii
Scamp. Why did you want to kill Youngminii?
I think this is very suspicious.
BM wants to kill someone instead of nolynch, understandable.
Citi.zen, idk, it seems a bit too early to bandwagon, but if the mafia is Citi.zen/BM/Scamp it would be understandable as an easy diversion from BM. It seems like Citi.zen wants to defend BM.
Citi.zen has been defending BM a lot, now that I think about it
Another group I am very suspicious about. DDivinek/BM/Citi.zen
Look back at Day 1. Divinek/BM voted for Pyrr, and Citi.zen switched his vote off BIll Murray, killing Pyrr.
Divinek/BM/Citi.zen got Yongminii killed.
And now Divinek/BM/Citi.zen is trying to get Koryane killed, say wut?
They all have a 0/2 record for voting. I'd be wary about following them
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Posting analysis on Bill Murray
Day 1 part 1
+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2010 12:07 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote Ace On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote: scamp On August 08 2010 15:16 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote: ace On August 08 2010 16:03 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote scamp
unvote
vote ace On August 08 2010 19:09 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
##vote: lsb
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##vote: ace Well all remember this incident. Bill Murray sends the town into a disarray, no one knows what’s going on. Very un townlike, trying to mess everyone up, breaking up town unity. Casting suspicion on a random player??
Why did he do that?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 12:37 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to be honest, i was really just hoping to lynch ace, lol
unvote On August 09 2010 12:43 Bill Murray wrote:
I am in like five games, so I figured a joke like that wouldn't hurt while I caught up on the 2 games I just replaced into. I'm going to analyze the first 15 pages of this now. Or? On August 09 2010 17:11 Bill Murray wrote:
it was a ploy to out you
and it worked
so quit flailing and take it like a man Hmmm something completely changed. Bill flat out lied in order to help support getting Pyrr killed.
Day 1 part 2.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 13:28 Bill Murray wrote:I've been a treestump. I hated using it, but when you're near a lynch, it is a good ability. Wouldn't you rather be able to continue talking than have to sit on the sidelines watching? you can still do behavioral analysis and catch scum as a treestump. Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 16:22 Ace wrote:
Me speculating and being almost sure that we have a Vigilante based on the fact that our town roles have penalties doesn't warrant a soft claim.
You should know better than that. I'm going to have to agree with Ace here, although I'm assuming he is a town aligned power role at this point. If he doesn't help out we can hold him accountable. I took his arguing with Pyrrhuloxia as Pyrry trying to get a scum driven wagon going on day 1. I wanted to see who would be apt to get rid of our best player (if ace is town, he is our best asset, regardless of his role) Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 18:56 Scamp wrote:
This looks like every mafia game I've ever played with either Ace or Bill Murray in it.
Bill Murray has already screwed up the game and day one isn't even close to over.
Ace is also playing like his usual self which will result in either the town killing him early or the mafia will have to stack all their kills on him. (Not really a factor in this game since the KP is 1 but the point is there.) But even he is talking a lot about Bill Murray and that's what's at the forefront of all conversation right now.
So again, BM finds a way to screw up the game. And Ace will probably die one way or the other and get really pissed off about it.
Anyway...
Based on the way he's acting, I'm willing to believe Pyrr is town for now.
And other than people who haven't posted yet, I currently have my eye on LSB and bumatlarge. LSB is acting super noobish, while bumatlarge has unhelpfully offered himself as a vigilante target for no good reason, though he claims his power sucks. I completely disagree with you. I have not taken Pyrrhuloxia as town whatsoever yet this game. I am getting a negative read from him, and if he flips red, I bet you will too. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 04:23 Jayme wrote:
How is it that BM was able to turn the thread into a minor shitfest after only a few hours of the game starting.
If it was any other person id believe he has a penalty where he can just vote but given his track record he could very well just be messing with everybody.
I'd like to hear Ace's plan though. Because I have learned ways to get information flowing which I can analyze and find scum, like Pyrrhuloxia and Scamp, who we as a town probably need to lynch. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah, like I said, my vote is not set in stone. I want to hear the rest of Ace's plan; he said he was waiting for town to become more active and it looks like things are finally warming up a bit.
I am more suspicious of Ace than BM at this point because Ace seems to be distracting town from BM rather than taking him head on. If BM is town-aligned and making these claims to troll or to get himself killed because he doesn't want to play anymore than I really don't know why he's playing and I don't really want him around the TL Mafia forum. See how he "isn't worried about me", because he is wanting this wagon to go on Ace. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pyrrhuloxia was the Godfather. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:07 Ace wrote:The problem here is that Pyrr made up Bill Murray's penalty for him, and BM being who he is ran with it. So far Pyrr has twice tried to undermine me without really thinking straight. Thanks to Jayme though for actually making some sense. P.S. - I don't care if I die, I don't get mad or take this game seriously. Anyway here is the full plan now that we have more people here. 1.) Knowing what I know about my own role PM, I know my role is almost surely weak. As in if I ever acted out my role the town would lose because it not only stops me from role claiming but I'm the worst person in this game to get this kind of role. The only way this role would work is if I had a hidden condition the mod didn't give me. Being that I can't know that and even if I did it would still be somewhat underpowered... 2.) The town has to have a Vigilante or some kind of night killing role. It would be damn near impossible to confirm innocents if all the town players have penalties. However here's where our only known advantage at the moment comes in:
This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though.
This tells us 2 things: The town roles have penalties and the scum don't. Even with a safe fake claims from the mod we know this to be true and I'll get back to this soon. Secondly we know Bill Murray is bullshitting and this makes me even more suspicious of Pyrr. Bill Murray can't have a post restriction because the op says there aren't any!. So why are people seriously pointing fingers at me for nonsense when the "proof" Bill Murray is offering is banned by the very OP of the game? Good question if I do say so myself. Back to the penalty claims. If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them. We should all reveal our penalties in a way that doesn't make it blatantly obvious what our roles are since even Vanilla Townies have penalties. For example this is my penalty in a nutshell: Anything I do must be telegraphed to the rest of the player base if it is a valid action. If you're town-aligned and you have a similar penalty you should be able to understand what that means. If you don't as more people claim their penalties we'll start to make sense of this. The idea here is that penalties that the town have should make sense in the game because we know our roles are weakened. With this in mind once everyone penalty claims before anyone else dies then we have all 13 players information. Once someone dies and their roles is revealed we scratch their penalties out we can start making sense of what other penalties would be in the game that could possibly make it balanced. Oh before I forget so you guys don't try and kill me off of some bullshit. ## vote Pyrr You really are a good player, and you know it. I'm jealous. At least we have suspicions of the same person. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 06:54 bumatlarge wrote:On August 09 2010 06:42 chaoser wrote:
then say it out loud -_- I will if more then 5 people ask me too. If it wasnt for the Ace/BM thing, I would for sure. You already told the mafia to force you to do it so... You should have just stayed low if you were worrieda bout the mafia forcing you to use your action. That said, I doubt there's a mafia role to force someone to use their action. A role that limits someone's speaking seems pretty guaranteed, though. I think one of the examples Hesmyrr gave was a shy townie that had some posting restrictions. That would be a really lame/boring role to have so I could see Hesmyrr balancing that by giving some way for the silent person to know red roles - I could see Hesmyrr assuming that we wouldn't immediately jump to the hypothesis I had on BM's role. It could be that BM is following an example claim given to the mafia by Hesmyrr, or he just thought he would fake being unable to speak to lay low as red, and BM just used my question to him as an excuse to try to kill Ace. If we were to kill Ace and he flips non-red, though, we'd go after BM and I don't think that's a good trade for mafia. Why are you thinking like mafia at all? This feels like a scum slip to me. I feel like your play this game fits with your scum meta, especially with the way you jumped on the first opportunity presented to you for a wagon. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 07:41 chaoser wrote:
## vote Pyrr
for now...it's kinda weird that you fed BM both "post such and such if you mean this" and then he followed suit. Seems like he's following the tune of your flute No, I was just jumping at the opportunity to piss Ace off day 1. Whenever people started talking about "play to win", I realized that I was betraying the town by not scumhunting. I hadn't originally intended to use my ploy for information, but since it DID get a lot of information, I'm going to use it. That's why I'm going to Vote: PyrrhuloxiaShow nested quote +On August 09 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
LSB your last few posts have been much better and as a result I'm less suspicious of you now. Keep playing like that.
I'm totally down with the Bill Murray bandwagon right now as other than the inactive (who may have a legitimate excuse) he looks like the best play. The only thing that I'm concerned about it is that there seems to be no consideration as to what to do if BM flips green or blue. It doesn't clear Pyrr and puts more pressure on Ace, who at this point is looking like our strongest player. It doesn't really put more pressure on Ace because it just means BM was fucking around. Or that Hesmyrr forgot some of his rules or we are misinterpreting them (doubt it). It doesn't clear me but I think it undermines the reasons people are currently voting for me, which based on me working in concert with BM. Don't try to blame me for your scumminess showing when you were arguing with Ace. It was my fault that the town was in chaos at the time, but a lot of information came from it that is going to be pro-town when we lynch you (because you are going to flip red). Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles. ##vote Ace I thought I wanted to kill ace... I always want to pressure him first, because he's the best player, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for Ace right now or willing to endorse his lynch. I am pretty sure that you have dug yourself a hole, and when I flip, you will definitely get killed. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:54 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. you didnt answer my question  I'm scummy because I'm trying (and failing miserably) to keep the mafia from picking out blues. Ace is clearly innocent because his plan is getting us no closer to identifying any scum and never will. You are scum trying to go against a plan that puts pressure on you. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties  Hi scum :D Some of them imply blue. That's all mafia needs. Sure some blues might have penalties that don't hint that they are blue. How many people out there are green and have penalties that hint blue? So far only Divinek, who may be mafia. In any case hadn't heard otherwise and I'm sure the mafia like their odds based on how this conversation has played out (ie right into mafia hands) which is why I should have realized not to have the conversation in the first place but congrats for catching me playing like crap. So you're implying that he caught you on your scum slip? I wouldn't say you've been playing like crap if you're red, you have a wagon going on me, and you almost had a townie with a vendetta lynch a town aligned power role, which would have been some absolute awesomeness for you. The only crappy part about your play is that you were too willing to bandwagon and have little slipups about the amount of information you have. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote:On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote:On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. Do you remember when L spent 2 weeks trying to get me lynched? It happens. I'm sorry, but I've dropped it, and am not trying to push it. @Scamp: what players are you referring to? @Ace: What should we do going forward as a town? I'm going to Vote: PyrrhuloxiaFairly certain he's scum. On August 09 2010 13:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Don't act like i'm the only one who is calling you out on your scumminess, pyrry BM bandwagons someone else inorder to draw heat off of himself. BM almost died there On August 09 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote:
your wanting to wagon is noted, divinek
@ace: if i die, a specific power role loses their power, but i don't want to say which He even accuses of wagoning when he is doing it himself On August 10 2010 08:17 Bill Murray wrote:
@ Ace: mass roleblock?
@ citi.zen: who are your top 3 suspects, and why? Immediately he starts working with citi.zen EPILOUGE On August 13 2010 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote: youngminii
A lynch is better than a no lynch from a town perspective. Why should we skimp on using our kp?
We don't happen to have any roles like trackers/watchers do we? We could use these to confirm me. Oh look! Another Wagon! Bill saves himself!
Day two part 1. Bill the vig
+ Show Spoiler +On August 11 2010 19:39 Bill Murray wrote:
ok, you all want a real claim? i'm the vigilante. On August 11 2010 19:43 Bill Murray wrote:
i can only vig someone who was on the lynch wagon in the previous day Bill is going to kill someone On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote:
who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 12 2010 21:10 Bill Murray wrote:
who do you all want me to use my vig hit on tonight? On August 13 2010 13:12 Bill Murray wrote:
i'm going to hit citi.zen On August 13 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Now:
7v3... mafia will probably hit me and we'll be at 6 people.
Tonight:
a.) 6v3 if i don't waste my vig hit
b.) 5v3 if i waste my hit
c.) 7v3 if we have a role that can hide in the night which is unlikely and ill die where I can't hide.
Tomorrow Night:
a.) 1) 5v3 if I don't hit again 2) 4v3 if I mishit 3) 5v2 if I hit (similar to c9 I believe?)
b.) 4v3 and we're in lylo which sucks nuts
c.) i'm not exploring craziness
The next night would be lylo if I mishit tomorrow night, so I can wait a day, or not use it at all tomorrow night either if we get no info. If by some odd chance we have a bodyguard role, please for the love of God protect me tonight. If there is a tracker who can track a mafia to a kill tonight, that would be GREAT. If not, I might not hit tomorrow, as 5v3 is better than 4v3. I don't want to be in lylo. Bill has second thoughts On August 14 2010 08:15 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:27 Korynne wrote:
Dude, if the only argument you have against lynching you is that you know you're not mafia... then that's a pretty poor argument.
You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red?
Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation. If I mishit someone we will have lylo a day earlier. Are you dumb? If someone can give me information on who a red is I will use my hit. I do not want us to lose a day early due to incompetance. We have already lost 1 informative town role and our medic, we do not need to lose our vig. Your play right now is screaming red to me, trying to get me lynched, since I'm a confirmable town member who is using his head and that threatens your little mafia. Bill immediately goes from “Let’s kill someone!” To. “WTF you tried to get me to kill someone? youre scum FUFUFUFUFU” On August 14 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm also going to ##vote for Korynne. My reasoning is that she is trying to force an earlier LyLo situation which is scummy and improper play as town. If she is not red, I have no good reads, as I've red the slot as red. Korynne has really been laying under the radar in terms of voting, too, which is suspicious to me. It feels like they don't want their vote analyzed. Korynne is also trying to push a lynch on me which would put the town at 5v3 and then how can i vig her scummy ass when I'm dead? On August 15 2010 04:56 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not @Korynne: I disagree with you on this. I feel that one should not vigi and force lylo a day early when one does not have any information on who to vig. I stated I wasn't going to be hitting anyone yet way before the night ended. If you don't believe me, go read what happened in between the lynch and the night post. It's only about a page. I seriously don't believe the town analyzed my post or even understood it whatsoever. I had noone respond to the difference that a mishit of my power would make for the town. I would rather give us, as a town, another day, than risk mishitting. Oh, Bill didn’t think of that earlier? More likely, Bill is Mafia, Bill wants to say ‘lets hit someone’ and then weasel out of it
Why shouldn’t we kill Bill? Bill's defence
+ Show Spoiler +On August 10 2010 10:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 10:15 citi.zen wrote:On August 10 2010 09:46 Bill Murray wrote:
citi.zen did you ever answer when i asked you top 3 suspects? obstinacy is a sign of mafia On August 10 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
I killed Pyrr by switching my vote off BM. It was an idiotic move, I was not aware of the vote totals and had no clue the voting was ending so soon.
That said, Ace is red.
I also think Korynne is red. Plus someone who attacked Ace day 1, Ace like to do that with one team member. Need to look back at day 1, but you're not a bad candidate Bill. Let' not get ahead of ourselves though. Ace goes first. + Show Spoiler +Also, LOL at obstinacy comment :-) why am i a good candidate? i'm just a townie, but the fact that without me we essentially make a power role a townie, i am vital to the town's survival and ability to act at night with my claim, i wouldn't be surprised if i was killed tonight, so you'll have to pick someone other than me tomorrow On August 12 2010 17:44 Bill Murray wrote:
omg you guys are idiots
if you all mislynch me you all are seriously hurting
it will be at 5v3 tomorrow................ Bill's reasons. 1) He calls himself townie, 2) He’s going to die the next night
##VOTE: Bill Murray
- He messes around with the town for fun
- He has lied to save himself
- He bandwagons Youngminii
- He pretends to go vig someone, and then turns around and says it's a really bad idea to do that
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On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote:
you can't even spell korynne, how can you make a valid case?
you are just defending your scumbuddy with useless speculation
the only reason i wanted this night extended is to get information on jayme's slot darth is inheriting
Firstly, I haven't defended her yet. I'm just saying I'm not going to trust you guys.
On August 16 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote:
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you can't even tell the difference between night and day, how can you make a valid case?
you are only attacking me with useless speculation
the only reason i wanted this day extended is to attack you
On August 16 2010 08:29 Divinek wrote:
if you want to do a real analysis about any of those people then that'd be great, rather than piecing together circumstantial evidence.
you can do that have of the player list and i can do the rest if you want! I really do feel like i need to be taking a look at chaoser, and anything jayme actually said before he died lol. Inactive people coasting by that urgently needed to avoid mod kills.
Yeah, I was doing that while you were typing this. Check it out!
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On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference.
Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious?
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On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help.
Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners.
Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy.
Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal?
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On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red?
Yeah, all he has to do is say "oh! If I kill someone it goes to Lylo, so I'm not going to kill someone" and he's safe.
On August 16 2010 10:25 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:18 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 10:07 citi.zen wrote:On August 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:On August 16 2010 09:16 Scamp wrote:
I felt that Youngminii was suspicious and at the time I voted I thought I was the difference between a lynch an a no-lynch. The deadlines are not very clear. Had I known that there were actually several more hours left in the day and my vote was not needed then I wouldn't have voted. It stinks that I wasted one of my votes when it didn't make a difference. Why did you feel Youngminii was suspicious? Have you ever played with him? He had 6 posts this entire game. That + no better candidate at that time made him a good lynching choice. He certainly did try to help. Normally I post a lot, I'm up all throughout the day, rarely one liners. Then suddenly I go to chicago. I don't post for a while. My habits changed. Is it because I'm mafia? NO. It is because I was busy. Youngminii himself posted that he was busy. And even, as mafia, wouldn't he want to try to play the same as normal? I never once said I had proof he was red. I said he was not being helpful and there was no better lynch target.
kk, so you killed Youngminii cause he wasn't active enough.
But that still doesn't answer the question, I don't get why people thought Youngminii was mafia.
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On August 16 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 10:24 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:
LSB: thoughts on whether or not it made sense for BM to claim vigi if he is red? It's all wifom. That, along with the concept that BM doesn't need to shoot until it's LYLO makes it risky, but reasonable and definitely doable if he's confident that he'll be able to defend himself. However, I lean toward BM being town. If he's red it's a gamble: if there is a vigi he's dead; if not, it's a very good cover (as Korynne and LSB repeatedly point out). This small chance at a good wifom alibi seems like a bad gamble to me vs. the reality of getting shot at night. It sucks having to stake the game on BM making a "rational decision", but Korynne and the other suspects have in the meantime made me feel better about my choice.
I'm with you on that, I see why bluffing vigi is a bad idea. But at the same time, BM has not acted rational at all this game.
Day 1, his little mess up the town. That was not rational. It is unforgivable that he then twists his words to say it was a way to attack Pyrr
I'm more willing to buy the story that the medic protected BM from the Vigi hit because he was begging for protection
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On August 17 2010 07:04 Korynne wrote:
Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent.
The plan sounds good.
##Vote: Chaoser
But why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg?
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##unvote
##Vote: Chaose
Since I fail
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On August 17 2010 07:16 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 07:13 LSB wrote:On August 17 2010 07:04 Korynne wrote:
Everyone on BM's wagon should get on chaoser, especially since this whole plan can possibly confirm BM. Then we don't have to potentially waste a lynch on BM if he's innocent. The plan sounds good. ##Vote: ChaoserBut why would Korynne be advocating this plan? If Chaoser is townie, and Korynne is townie, isn't it gg? If chaoser is townie, we're at 5-3 tonight. ...hmm. If both BM and Korynne are townie, mafia hit someone else, we're at 3-3... Wait, really?
Exactly.
Let's check out Korynne's motives.
Townie Motives: She thinks BM is mafia, and so BM won't be able to shoot her. Next day is Lylo, but BM gets killed
Mafia Motives:
Kor is mafia: She knows she's going to die, so she tries her best to get another townie lynched. The mafia gets one extra kill essentially.
Kor/BM working together: If kor/bm are both in the mafia (very unlikely), this would delay the lynching by one day. BM would probably end up lynched though. So there is not much difference
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##Unovte
##Vote: Abstain
I'm suspicious why suddenly Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThienAn accepted this plan. I'd like a bit more thinking time.
The main problem is looking at Divinek/Citi.zen/DarthThieAn as the three group mafia. They know that if this plan goes through, it's gg.
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We lose
##unvote
##Vote: Bill Murray
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