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Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances:
[Shy Townie]
You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote).
The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie.
You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone.
The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die.
Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting.
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Uh oh, you're slipping up Pyrr.
1.) The link to the tree stump role has already been revealed. Tree stump can talk.
2.) No one is putting pressure on anyone to reveal roles. I've only asked for penalties. You yourself even stated that penalties do not imply roles here where I called you out on it:
On August 09 2010 11:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 10:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote:
And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. Not all penalties imply roles.##vote Ace Exactly. So if you know this to be true, why would you be against penalty claiming. You just admitted we can't figure out who's role is what based on penalties  Hi scum :D
So you've just contradicted your stance again within one day. there have been no slip ups of information but thanks for taking another shot at me while you had the chance. Even throwing all of that out of the window there is another odd little situation I noticed:
Before I revealed my plan and Bill Murray voted on me you were so gung ho in figuring out Bill Murray's penalty. So when I revealed my plan why did you all of a sudden change your stance on revealing penalties? Surely if you thought it was a bad idea then you wouldn't have been trying to figure out what Bill Murray's penalty is.
Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning. All he did was deny your points and vote for you. You on the other hand opened up with this little gem to undermine him:
you don't get to fuck the town over all day, show up and claim its my fault
How many times are you going to do that? He never even claimed it was your fault. Hell the town isn't even "fucked up" or in a bad position. The town is actually in a pretty good state right now considering other games we've all played in.
But then to make it worse I was going to throw my scum tally on you to the side for a second. But every time you open your mouth you say something that even a confused townsperson wouldn't say. Like this:
I wasn't as worried about you because I thought you might be blue BECAUSE YOU WERE FUCKING LYING, ASSHOLE.
Er? So if you knowingly thought Bill Murray might be blue...but you were up in arms against my plan because you felt it would reveal blues...then why did you try to derive BM's penalty? In fact, if you knew he was lying isn't that a very good cause to be worried? Wait a sec - how did you know he was lying Pyrr?
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@ Bill Murray: Everyone should be penalty claiming.
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I'm keeping track right here:
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role dies
You don't have to tell us anything about the role that dies. Just the penalty.
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oops misread.
Penalties:
Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting
bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1
zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power
Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role loses their power
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On August 09 2010 14:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
"Secondly you've done a very fast flip to vote on Bill Murray with no good reasoning."
I don't need good reasoning, I'm about to get killed when someone who has lied to town all day is getting off scott free and the guy he was trying to kill doesn't give a shit.
stop squirming.
I've already said I'm of the idea we'll deal with Bill Murray later. I find you more suspicious though. You had the motive, situation and the behavior to do something any anti-town player would have done on Day 1 with Bill Murray in the game.
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Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now?
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me?
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People have already slipped up, just look at the amount of times people have put words in my mouth about things that I haven't said. Remember that time I caught both Dr.H and L on Day 1 in that game because they kept slipping up trying to undermine my awesomeness by stating things that just weren't true?
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Yea I think that's the one. But the most damning thing about all of this is that not only have they argued with me, but not a single one of them has come up with a new idea or direction to go on. All this complaining about blue roles dying and no positive input on doing something to help. Do these sound like pro town moves to you?
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On August 10 2010 07:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I am detective.
When I am dead, go after:
Ace: Mafia
Bill Murray: Mafia / Ass
Sorry to town for playing like shit this game. GJ Ace for defenestrating the town with a scummy plan that couldn't be argued against effectively without the blues giving themselves away. The greens will see it as harmless and jump in, isolating, identifying and FoSing the blues who will be hurt by it. Very clever.
I lol'd.
Let me get this straight...
You are a detective right? But you must wait TWO days to act?
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So you can't use your powers at all on Night 1, but somehow using it on Night 2 makes it all better? But you admit you played like shit this game, as if that's a reason to take sympathy on you.
Ignoring your play though this is what your entire role looks like:
You are a detective. Your penalty is that you can't act until Night 2.
Yea, ok. Whatever. If this is true then we all might as well stop playing this game because all our roles would be so bad I don't think Hessmyrr would have even created the game. Town would have no chance due to the possibility of starting off with a good shot of 2 mislynches (2 Day 1's) and the chance of 2 power roles getting clocked before we get it straight.
You're bullshitting.
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On August 10 2010 07:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:44 Ace wrote:
Yea I think that's the one. But the most damning thing about all of this is that not only have they argued with me, but not a single one of them has come up with a new idea or direction to go on. All this complaining about blue roles dying and no positive input on doing something to help. Do these sound like pro town moves to you? You of all people should know that no blue confirmation plan is necessary for town to win.
And once again you're putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said I'm making a blue confirmation plan. Hell, show me ANYWHERE where I've said I'm valuing blue roles over green?
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On August 10 2010 07:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I believe he said his actions dont get registered til two days after, which is long time for such a small game, Id imagine mafia have some harsh penalties to compensate. Like no KP :D one can hope.
That's the thing, the mafia don't have any penalties.
@Pyrr: You know if you really wanted to save yourself you'd be trying to convince the rest of the town to change their vote. Not me. But you don't even seem like you care about living so if you die to a lynch it's your own fault. Toodles ^_^
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you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD.
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It's not conflicting at all. I've got something that's potentially game breaking but could also make the town lose.
What's conflicting about that?
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On August 10 2010 08:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:54 Ace wrote:On August 10 2010 07:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I believe he said his actions dont get registered til two days after, which is long time for such a small game, Id imagine mafia have some harsh penalties to compensate. Like no KP :D one can hope. That's the thing, the mafia don't have any penalties. @Pyrr: You know if you really wanted to save yourself you'd be trying to convince the rest of the town to change their vote. Not me. But you don't even seem like you care about living so if you die to a lynch it's your own fault. Toodles ^_^ If I don't get lynched, you just kill me tonight before I can use my role. If I die, people see why your plan was scummy and apparently that's the wake up call this town needs because they've been ignoring logic from LSB and I.
*yawn*
Stop talking to me and appeal to the town. I'm not changing my vote. Talk to everyone else and make your case if you're so innocent. Come on, this is basic Mafia gameplay 101. Stop playing like shit and man up.
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On August 10 2010 08:02 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:57 Ace wrote:
you dont KNOW who's blue. I've already proved it by showing the examples Hessmyrr used. READ THE THREAD. Cute. I replied, and you know it. Those examples were easy to read.
If you think that's the case I'll give you a simple task: come up with an idea of your own instead of complaining. You don't have to listen to me, you can just do something yourself.
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Listen, you can keep talking about what teamliquid mafia games need or not but the point of the matter is you haven't done anything on Day 1 to show me you want to find scum. All you've done is criticize and bash me without offering anything positive. Obviously you aren't going to convince me to change my vote, so you need to convince the rest of the town. You don't even seem interested in doing so even though I've told you this twice and it just keeps reaffirming my belief you are playing like shit. Whether you are town or scum this is basic. If you are really a detective that just roleclaimed why aren't you hammering this point around? This is exactly why I'm not listening to you.
I'm no longer talking though. The rest of you can complain all you want but until you scum hunt and show something better then keep it moving.
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On August 10 2010 08:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 07:29 Ace wrote:
Keep trying to scare people into penalties = blue sniping bullshit LSB. I also never said I don't want to take care of BM, I just find Pyrr far more scummy. Like I said this is very simple If your assumption is true then tell me what everyone's role is right now. None of you can because you don't know. I've asked this a good what, 7 times now? Okay scum, I'm doing this for the town Ace: BS penalty cause he's scum Bumatlarge: Tree stump Zeks: Townie Bill Murray: Townie or Red Korynne: He thankfully made his penalty really general, and he hasn't posted much so I can't tell. I think green, but I haven't found his 'penalty claim' post yet. Give me more penalties, I give you more answers There you go scum. Let's keep this straight, your plan Sucks. If I can figure roles out, a complete noob who hasn't survived the first night yet. The mafia can do it All you say is "LOL People are dumb! They can't figure it out! lol" Then the mafia can crack it. To me it sounds like a mafia honeypot Show nested quote +
I also don't care about Pyrr's claim because I think he's scummy. If Pyrr wants to save himself he can just role claim before the lynch if shit gets that bad. Otherwise my vote stays - he's made way too many mistakes on Day 1 to be playing this bad.
Let's talk about our feelingsI feel a bit queasy, cause I ate some fried stuff for dinner. I also feel a bit tired. Talking about feeling is really fun :D! Pyrr is offering himself as a sacrifice so we can take down BM. You didn't take it. Show nested quote +Also I did not chainsaw defend Bill Murray, get your terms straight if you want to be taken seriously and not looked at as scum. Definition of Chainsaw defense. Scum defending their own by attacking someone else. I want to congratulate you scum. You pulled it off well. We know BM is scum, and you've successfully starved off his lynch in favor of Pyrr. kkthxbai Show nested quote +LSB when are you actually going to contribute anything to the town instead of trying to attack me? You want to know what I'm contributing to the town? I'm trying to take down a known scum. Bill Murry. Your kill our DT. Congratulations.
I lol'd. I find it funny that you not once even tried to appeal to the rest of the town and attacked me all of Day 1, knowing that no matter if BM or Pyrr flipped town you'd go after me. Scum much?
Anyway I'm about to break this game wide open. I have a hunch and unless we've all got shitty roles this game is over.
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Also if I was arguing with BM, and then argued with Pyrr how the hell can I Chainsaw Defend BM? That wouldn't even make sense because I haven't even defended Bill Murray. I just found Pyrr more scummy
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Wrong. If that's the case then why I would call Bill Murray out and then defend him. Derp Derp?
As soon as Hessmyrr answers my PM I'll know if I can role claim or not. This game is over.
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