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On July 07 2010 09:51 Foolishness wrote: Isn't it you only lose the bomb if the player was lynched and had a bomb on them? And then bombs are refunded if the target was killed at night. Bombs are never refunded, I thought? What he has right now seems correct. | ||
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On July 17 2010 07:44 citi.zen wrote: How is it that these things always start on weekends? Mine started on a Wednesday night, I believe. 21. DARTH THIEN AN Guys, I think I'm the Godfather. That or BM really likes my name. | ||
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On July 17 2010 12:04 d3_crescentia wrote: oh so is that how it goes ##Vote: DarthThienAn Oh yeah? well unvote ##Vote: d3_crescentia | ||
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I can help you if you want to suicide though, using something called homicide. o_o. | ||
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On July 17 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote: Fake roleclaim medic on day 1. That should take care of it. Guys, I'm a medic. | ||
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On July 17 2010 12:24 citi.zen wrote: No problem. ## vote Darth I'd vote for myself too if I could. | ||
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On July 18 2010 05:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The game of Mafia has begun, and its time we get it going properly. Some decent idea's have been laid out and we can consider them viable. We have a few basics to remember in a setup like this. Trust no one. For all of the newer players. Stay out of PM land. If by god you go there, please only do so after the person your talking to has been confirmed. The chances for a minor slip up is enough to get you sniped if your blue, or give out information that you may have if you have it. Secondly, we should set up potential lists of people to watch out for until they can be confirmed. I would start with BloodyC0bbler Foolishness DTA YoungMirii Citizen I believe us 5 should be under the most scrutiny at the beginning of this game. Next we need medics to protect intelligently. Protect people you think will get hit. Analyze what people are saying then think if its something that would warrant mafia hitting them. IF so, put them on a list. Do this a few times and you have yourself a medic list to protect off of. Next, day 1 lynch we have a few options a) vote for the most inactive player b) Vote for someone to RNG a player then vote on them c) Vote for someone whos scummy (bad idea) Now, with that all said and done, Lets get this party started. I got this feeeeling. Somebody's watching me! | ||
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On July 18 2010 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pretty safe bet, you are kinda sketchy looking with your darthvader like lightning It's okay. I don't mind being looked at. I love attention  | ||
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My goal is to maximize the number of deaths at the end of Day 1. Therefore, we should lynch someone who has voted. | ||
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On July 18 2010 17:34 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: My thoughts: hyperbola is prolly just a quick trigger townie; I'd think a mafia would be too skittish to CONTINUE with it, especially when voting is so thin at this point. Mafia wouldn't have to be desperate as of now. Townie or red, hyperbola is obviously desperate now, with so many votes against him. But the desperation started and caused the bandwagon (according to Pandain). When the hyperbola bandwagon started, voting was evened out so there wouldn't be a need for mafia to bandwagon on someone. Mafia don't really tend to bandwagon anyone day one, at least they don't start the first bandwagon. They might start a second bandwagon to save someone's ass. Doesn't really help prove anyone innocent but I think hyperbola's behavior could be townie and the voting against him could be townie too. In better words, neither action really stick out at me as suspicious but no one's exonerated. Maybe if a team of people desperately work to save him there could be something going on. I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else. Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar. At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move. Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. ##unvote ##vote DarthTheinAn In my experience, mafia rarely actually "bandwagon". One or two might hop in for the final vote to kill someone they don't like over the current top target, but usually, they just vote wherever they feel like, based on their posting and what they've said in the past. The hyperbola bandwagon is just plain stupid imo. Anyone who was "convinced" by Siniquity's argument against hyperbola is also plain stupid. He gave poor reasoning for a random vote, but that does not make him mafia. A lot of the times, mafia play more like Siniquity, pointing out "mistakes" that townies make, and calling them scummy. My post was to contrast YellowInk's silly no lynch suggestion. Why are we even considering that? We need information. The game is about getting information for the town ASAP so that we can lynch/KP accurately. Therefore, we lynch a someone who is not already going to be modkilled. Pandain, I was only half-joking about it. Lynch someone who has voted but is not helping the town out. Someone like me, but, preferably, not me. And you're right, I was playing like Chezinu ^_^. He has inspired me. I might be out for the rest of today. Before you lynch me, consider how many other people have not posted, but have voted. For instance, d3, who is currently voting for me, but has said as little as I have said. Also, don't PM Opz, PM me!! ^^. | ||
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On July 19 2010 04:53 tree.hugger wrote: Essentially. Voting lists are one of the best ways to catch mafia. They spread out across them in predictable patterns, and once you catch one mafia, you can gain a ton of information by looking at the voting lists. It's much better than post analysis, which is always touch and go. If you give people an out by establishing an abstain bandwagon, then you're just handcuffing the town. And you may still be convinced that your strategy is the right one, but it's obviously not going to happen, and it's time you dropped the issue, so the town can move on. Wasting space, and distracting people from the task at hand is counter productive for obvious reasons. That's a fourth alternative. Also, for everyone's reference, this is a vote moved from Subversion. So we have Hyperbola (5) Darth (3) youngminii (4) Ketomai (2) I believe BrownBear, Subversion, and Ketomai have not yet voted. *** At this point, I think people who have not voted for one of these four people (and in particular, the first three) should reconsider their votes, and select one of these players to lynch. Optimally we'll have three lists, and everyone on one of those lists, which should make mafia spotting a little easier. Again, I'd like to push a lynch on Darth. He's smart, and he knows he's not under the cosh yet. Hyperbola and youngminii have tried to defend themselves, but Darth hasn't lifted a finger, which I think it smart. If you're winning, leave well enough alone. But I'd like to punish him for it, and I encourage others to join. If ketomai hasn't posted, why are we lynching him? He's going to get modkilled anyway. I don't get on as much these days, since I've been on vacation. The last 8+ pages or so, I wasn't present for, need to catch up on the last two later still. On July 19 2010 00:53 Amber[LighT] wrote: ##vote: abstain. Haven't read the thread and won't ve able to Until later Switch him out for Amber[Light] imo. unvote ##Vote: Amber[LighT] If you disagree with my plan, let me explain my train of thought. People are going to get modkilled. We want to get rid of mafia. Modkills are going to kill those people anyway, therefore we should lynch someone who would not be modkilled. There are plenty of people who are being unhelpful. I am an example of it - look through to find more people like me. I don't have time to find people like that, but again, d3 is an example. Misder might be an example iirc. Chaoser would be an example. Therefore, we lynch one of those kinds of people, and help the town out by not being worried about it later (is this person mafia lurking or just inactive?) etc etc. | ||
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Anyway, later all. Probably be back after the vote. Hope you guys don't kill me. Death Post: + Show Spoiler + Townie | ||
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On July 19 2010 06:00 d3_crescentia wrote: Hey guess what - people can be as "helpful" as they want so long as they themselves aren't being targeted. Someone can run the whole active townie gig for an entire game and still be scum so long as they lead the rest of the town in the "right direction" by virtue of their calm-and-collected persona. Some scum will play more actively to maintain the appearance of a model citizen. You've done it; I've done it; everyone's done it (that is, if they've played as mafia more than once). "Laying low" is just a playstyle and not an indication of mafia. But hey, if you wanna lynch me, let's get this ball rolling. The way I see it you stand to lose much more than I do. The people we should be trying to pin down and confirm should be our most active, most valued posters. I know nothing about youngminii but that s/he did excellently in a previous game, and so we should keep an eye out. I find it interesting that BC's earlier list did NOT include infundibilum, and I'm wondering what THAT's about. I'm NOT suspicious of Foolishness because usually he would have checked in at this point with some abrasive comment or other. I think it goes without saying that an inactive townie < active mafia. An active mafia will mess up at some point, or at some point, he'll have to show his cards and try to protect his friends. If he leaves too many mafia out to die in order to provide security for himself, he can only get so far alone. So if the mafia have someone who wants to play the part of the active mafia and put himself out there, great, we'll all be watching. If not, then that leaves the people who don't talk much/lurkers. That said, my target was an inactive townie who wasn't on the block for being modkilled. My target was people who tried to skate by without saying anything at all, minus putting up a vote. I guess it doesn't matter now. BrownBear, for instance, should be remembered since he "snuck" a vote in. Subversion did the same. I dunno who else is there. On July 19 2010 07:12 citi.zen wrote: There are no death posts or coroners in this set-up. Roles are revealed by the mod. I know, it was a joke. | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. lol. Just doing my job ^^. On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. I'm a Mad Batter | ||
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Unofficial Start of the Game: [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=10#196]Your first post after it:[url] which doesn't really say much. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=19#363]2nd post:[/url] A ninja abstain vote to avoid modkill. Let's see if you change it later / actually contribute. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=24#478]3rd post:[/url] There's the switch. You go to BC based on "bad vibes," claim busy IRL, and promise future activity. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#547]Your next post:[/url] A summary of what happened during the voting. Implies youngminii, BrownBear, and bumatlarge might all be mafia together. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#551]Next (two):[/url] Basically saying that we can't pull much from the voting patterns without more information than the vote talliers have given us. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#554]Next:[/url] Bashing on me for... what, joking around a bit and still providing about as much content as you? Gonna stop there as the other posts are pretty recent. So how much content have you provided? Not much. And all of it is within the last two pages. Sure you're busy with life and all, but maybe I'm busy with life too. Maybe we're all busy with life, except flamewheel. Sure, I might be spamming a bit here and there, but maybe I don't have much to say / don't have the time to write it all out. | ||
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Foolishness, are you so innocent yourself? You haven't really posted at all. Unofficial Start of the Game: Your first post after it: which doesn't really say much. 2nd post: A ninja abstain vote to avoid modkill. Let's see if you change it later / actually contribute. 3rd post: There's the switch. You go to BC based on "bad vibes," claim busy IRL, and promise future activity. Your next post: A summary of what happened during the voting. Implies youngminii, BrownBear, and bumatlarge might all be mafia together. Next (two): Basically saying that we can't pull much from the voting patterns without more information than the vote talliers have given us. Next: Bashing on me for... what, joking around a bit and still providing about as much content as you? Gonna stop there as the other posts are pretty recent. So how much content have you provided? Not much. And all of it is within the last two pages. Sure you're busy with life and all, but maybe I'm busy with life too. Maybe we're all busy with life, except flamewheel. Sure, I might be spamming a bit here and there, but maybe I don't have much to say / don't have the time to write it all out. | ||
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On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. I feel like. Why not? I've still said more (actual stuff) than half the people in this thread. Yeah. I do have information that no one else knows. I know my role. You have information that no one else knows too. Your role. What exactly about my behavior suggests that I am blue or red? Am I really hinting at anything anywhere? Or am I just posting for fun? And if you really think I am blue, then why are you trying to fish it out of me? Mafia will know whether or not I'm town or mafia. They won't know if I'm green or blue. So why are you trying to give them that certainty by forcing me to claim? Mafia hits can be changed last minute easily. Especially considering that BM appears to be away, he'll probably take hits that are a little after the deadline. I don't need to get replaced. Because I'm still more active than... 30-50% of the people playing. And to me, I don't need to be the most active member of the town to play my best. Maybe I don't have a read on anyone? And besides, since you should know me as well, you should know that I don't defend by dodging and pointing elsewhere, I defend by defending. If you're town, maybe you should look through my posts and try to figure out why you're bothering me in the first place. If you're mafia, continue so that the town can watch while you burn. If you're a stubborn townie, continue as well, and I'll continue defending myself. | ||
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On July 20 2010 10:30 bumatlarge wrote: MUHAHAHAHA- Ahem... *vigorous nodding* I've never played in a game where the Godfather's role cant be disclosed and there are no clues (that I remember), so that seems like an issue to me, at least later on if he plays quiet and doesnt hesitate to throw a scummer under the bus every once in awhile. And I can't really pin my finger on whate he would pick as his mask, as a smart one could safely assume towny, or deviously take a DT role and waste town a few days. The only comfort I have is that they are sticking with one role, so we base our info on that later on when some DT checks come along and we can really do some soul searching Darth you are weird. But some DT is gong to check you so BEWARE. Unless you are GF. Boy wouldnt that lead to fun times. I was joking about that. It's very obvious that Hyperbola was just a green townie. And bumatlarge, would I make myself such a fabulous DT target if I wasn't guaranteed security? ^^ On July 20 2010 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: i've decided that DTA is trying to play like oczec but isn't as good at it I was bored. Sup. I don't even know who that is, and I'm not trying to play like anyone. | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:14 Bill Murray wrote: Foolishness is killed. it is now day. sorry guys. That's what happens to people who talk against me. | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:41 tree.hugger wrote: That's wonderful, Bill. I mean, that's terrible about Foolishness, but that's wonderful about you. Actually it's pretty good news that Foolishness is dead. If you know what I mean. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:09 Divinek wrote: i wish badly i was a dt so i could check you darth then vote for you anyways cuz id convince myself you're gf I already told you, I am the Godfather | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:30 Pandain wrote: Unless everyone lynchinig you is the mob! + Show Spoiler + Da da da In that case, unvote ##Vote: BrownBear | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Okay, so someone survived a hit last night. Should the medic and victim claim to each other? Alternatively, should the veteran role claim? I know we've had vets role claim after being hit in the past, but it does give the mafia more info that could help them plan out further hits. Oh, also I suppose the mafia might have really really wanted Foolishness dead and put two hits on him. Or only sent in one hit but I don't think any team would ever agree to that unless it was led by the dark triumvirate of oczec darth and chezinu. And even then darth already admitted he wants as much blood to spill as possible. Yeah, but I had to make sure that Foolishness died. He was going after me too hard. If a veteran got hit, they should just claim, "I got hit." If a medic protected someone who got hit, the victim should just claim, "I got hit." Medic should PM that person and those two should establish a connection. The PMing should come before the public thread claiming. | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:35 d3_crescentia wrote: Okay, so. I took a hit last night. According to Bill, I was protected from a bunch of fat men in suits. I guess that means all of you scum need to hit the gym. There was also an Asian with a cell phone. (DARTHTHIENANANANANAN!?!?!?!?!?!) Oh, and if you're wondering, the reason why I'm posting this so late is because Bill didn't send me a PM initially ~_~ You liar. I stacked both hits on Foolishness. | ||
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On July 20 2010 15:03 BrownBear wrote: d3, you should actually just say whether you are a vet or not. Easiest way to solve my confusion. Are you kidding me? d3's smart, and hopefully won't let the mafia know what he is / isn't. ... | ||
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On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote: Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.##Vote DarthThienAn "youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather" Ironic, no? On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote: i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately. if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of: mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles. regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above. ##Vote DarthThienAn You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray. Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious. Great reason to vote for me. And my normal character is mafia, am I right? Why don't you try voting for someone who's actually suspicious of being mafia, or someone whose play has been crap this game so far for no reason (BrownBear). | ||
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On July 21 2010 05:17 bumatlarge wrote: Maybe if you and BB switched places Id believe you. Time to switch into the darth I know buddy While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD You'll find him. Again, I'll say that I have said more than half the people - maybe a third now - in this game. Is it so wrong that I choose to have some fun in between? unvote ##Vote: Subversion | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 18:20 Subversion wrote: Hey guys, sorry for inactivity, been at the Boryeong Mud Festival! Gonna try catch up On July 18 2010 18:27 Subversion wrote: Cool, been looking over everything. Some interesting stuff happening for the first day. Gonna go over it a little more carefully before casting my vote. Want to see how some people defend themselves, and don't really just want to jump on a voting bandwagon. Also, abstaining is kind of stupid. Will vote later tonight. All of this is useless except for the bolded sentence. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote: ##Vote: Hyperbola Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. Jumps on the bandwagon despite what he said in his 2nd post... ...lol + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote: Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead. Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. Bolded: I don't fully understand the first sentence. The second sentence has been discussed. The rest: He was PART of that voting bloc LOL. I guess that's why he's trying to suggest that he's a townie. The chance of a mafia being there.. it's all pretty obvious. 6/30 players are mafia, a group of 6 or 7? Sure, there's probably 1 or 2 mafia in there. On July 21 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. | ||
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On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote: Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler + If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all. | ||
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On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote: I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes." I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates. No huge red flag, but it's better than BB and myself. ^_^. | ||
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See below for the post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=47#939 | ||
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##Vote: chaoser Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched? | ||
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Pyrr's post + Show Spoiler + So my computer overheated and my reply got deleted. >> Normally it gets saved, but too much turning on and off I guess. So I'm going to write a shorter version. First off, anyone who thinks all of the words in that post are Pyrr's is sadly mistaken. Half of it has been said before - hence his calling it a "story." I'm looking at you Subversion. Main points: My playstyle: Yeah, my playstyle is different. What's the big deal? Most of you are basing this on flamewheel's last game anyway. How can you define someone's playstyle by one game, just because I was mafia mayor? Not to mention that BrownBear's account of that game is wrong. I didn't overstep on the last day. We were already done that night, when onihunter had been lynched, and bumatlarge was going to be checked that night and we had no way to stop it. We COULD have tried to persuade the town that DCLXVI was full of crap but none of us were really up to it, or at least, I know I wasn't. Playing mafia in a thirty player newbie game and being as active as I was is way too tiring. But anyway, I like how no one ever brings up my play in Caller's game where I was last townie, or any other game. Plus, "Chezinu-style" (not that I'm even doing that) is not necessarily scummy. Look at TMMM - he and BM were town but still spammed. so maybe it doesn't help the town, but that's exactly the argument that Ace, YellowInk, and I used to get him lynched while we were mafia. Wifom: a lot of the arguments against me are wifom. I'm sure you know that. But for those who don't, here are examples of wifom: "Darth is mafia because he claimed mafia and he's using double reverse psychology." "Darth is mafia because mafia hit Foolishness and not him." "Darth is mafia because mafia would think that he is blue and thus hit him." etc. etc. If anyone needs an explanation, ask for it, but hopefully, those of you currently voting for me will see it. Scattered Voting: Who was it that said a bandwagon doesn't have be started by a vote, just posting? It's pretty much the same thing. Most of my votes have been for fun. You'll notice that people like d3 get to slip by with voting, posting, and leaving, but me? Nah I get called out and bandwagoned. Day 1 I'm pretty sure I went something like abstain > d3 > d3 > amber. I don't recall abstaining a second time. And Amber was a legitimate vote. d3 was not (semi-placeholder). I'm sure since you've analyzed me so carefully, you'll see this. Divinek vote was purely lols. BrownBear is for obvious reasons - did you see his veteran plan? Add that to his day 1 behavior and he makes a pretty good early vote for today. When I switched to Subversion, did I really make a sarcastic joke? I remember being pretty serious around there, and I definitely explained myself. It basically came down to BB, I'd like to watch for another day, vs. Subversion who wasn't even defending himself/posting at that time. Of course he comes in later and cries townie and everyone leaves him alone. My crazy voting is in no way an indication of my role. Stop trying to make it what it isn't. Again, why would I attract attention by doing that, when those "bandwagon" attempts didn't even get a SECOND vote? Down to your main points and Foolishness: Explain to me how I dodged Foolishness by turning it back on him? I made several posts that included logical reasons explaining myself, and as an AFTER THOUGHT, I called him out on it as well. He was calling me out for not contributing when I was contributing as much as he was - is it illogical for me to call him out on that? If someone's going to call me out for contribution, I prefer it be someone who has actually contributed. 1) Where do I ever defend myself without logic? As a whole, of course, not ONE post in a conversation. 2) Uh, I'm pretty sure I offered a lot more than that one post where I counterattacked Foolishness. And I've explained this. 3) Who are you all to tell me how to play? I'm still helping the town, aren't I? If my way of having fun is posting silly stuff in between, then what's wrong with that? 4) This is a point? Plus, if I was really mafia spamming, I'd make my spam posts much longer and make them appear to have content to waste more of the town's time, rather than posting things that most people dismiss. 5) This is a point, too? Vote changing != mafia. Most of votes up til now have been jokes anyway. 6) Completely wifom. You know this, so why include it? 7) Thanks. 8) Not when my computer time has decreased to ... 10% of what it used to be. I've been on vacation since halfway through Godfather Mafia. Several of you should know this (maybe not you Pyrr, but still). Hence, less from me. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:35 rastaban wrote: BB has pretty much convinced me he is town and I agree with his sentiments here, Darth’s play style just doesn’t make sense. Why play like this when you can actually benefit the town The crazy voting doesn’t make sense either, and all the actions so far have been at best neutral, with very little if any pro-town actions. The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content. It is easy to camouflage your mafia playstyle when you change everything so it is harder to find clues in how you play. Also we know vote analysis is critical but we have Darth stating “Most of my votes have been for fun.” I am not positive on this call but I think he is a far better candidate than Chaoser who has had better arguments in his defense, and at this point in time it is too late for any other votes to have much of an impact. ##Unvote Abstain ##Vote: DarthThienAn "day ends in under 5 1/2 hours" How is that too late? How does my play style not make sense? If you look at all of my posts collectively, you'll realize that I have actually said a decent amount. Nothing compared of my previous games, but contrast it to Subversion, who hardly said anything until like 18 hours ago. I don't even know what the deal with chaoser is, but Day 1, he was one of those last minute voters, iirc., and Day 2, he mostly made lists, which help the town by organizing information, but does not actually offer any insight. Nothing against him though, since I haven't read the recent posts. Think of it this way: do any of those actions "make sense" if I'm mafia? Why would I attract attention to myself so unnecessarily, and then not defend myself if I'm actually lurking? "The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content." I did have content. Has anyone bothered to look through my posts? And I personally don't use vote analysis too heavily -> most of my votes have been for fun. My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games. | ||
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On July 22 2010 06:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @youngminii, formatting his posts into spoilers + Show Spoiler + Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay] I analyzed that his idea to maximize deaths was weird, that he was either sarcastically being evil, or just advocating that we lynch for info rather than finding info to decide a lynch, which I find to be backwards. Also in there, I compare his play to past games, which is more analysis than just information. And I pointed out that nearly all of his posts were clowning around, which is unhelpful. There's plenty of other analysis in there, the line between information and analysis is gray area anyway but I clearly crossed it. + Show Spoiler + So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now). Well, he obviously has switched things up, and good players tend to base their opinion about whether something works on whether they can win with it. + Show Spoiler + Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking? Well I was wrong about Foolishness, but you can contrast the fact that only I and maybe DTA seemed suspicious of him while DTA has been ringing alarm bells for many more people. I'm not "saying just because DTA is taking a low profile he's scum". In fact, you're clearly twisting my words at this point to defend DTA, because I specifically rebutted that claim in the but, but, but... section. + Show Spoiler + Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth. Totality of the circumstances. None of us have the absolute truth, so we have to find the players with the sketchiest correlations. For me, that's DTA, rather than BB or Sub. The case versus Chaoser strikes me as better than BB and Sub, but not DTA. + Show Spoiler + That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player. 1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting. 3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them. 4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already. 5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list. 6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts. 7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this. 8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same. So, yeah, it's not complete bullshit. That list is not even 1/8 bullshit. + Show Spoiler + But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game. You don't get to say that you don't mind if he dies and then get credibility from defending him. I can't imagine why you'd give such a wishy-washy conclusion unless you are worried he might turn red and make you look bad. My day 1 plan is not weird at all. I just phrased it funny. If you are against the no-lynch plan, then you are FOR my plan. lynching a modkill is the same as a no-lynch. That's the short version anyway. So why are we trying to NOT use our only town KP (other than blue roles)? I'm saying we lynched based on info to GET info, vs. lynching someone who would be "lynched" anyway. Also, why would I stick to a "crazy" plan when I could have dismissed it as a joke, like several people suggested? I never said I was a good player. Everyone assumes I'm a good player because of the one game where I played Mafia Mayor. citi.zen knows how bad I am because he was the only decent player on the mafia team (sorry bumatlarge). But let's assume I'm good. If I'm mafia, why would I purposely attract attention to myself? Why would I not just post normally, and play maybe a little differently than before? Instead I'm playing the same on one end, and exactly opposite on the other end. Just because my playstyle has been a little different, this does not mean that I am mafia or not mafia. It just means that my playstyle has been a little different. And if you really look, it's pretty much the same when I'm serious. I'm just being not serious a lot more often. Bottom line: this is not a valid reason for or against anything about me, so stop trying to use it. I didn't think Foolishness was mafia o.o. I just didn't like the fact that he was gunning for me. 1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting. 3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them. 4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already. 5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list. 6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts. 7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this. 8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same. 1. I only responded to criticism with jokes when it was criticism about my jokes. 2. Are you referring to this post? I'm not saying he's at fault for doing that, I'm saying he's at fault for doing only that. Alone, that is just his interpretation of one of the above posts but whoever was doing the vote summaries. 3. What arguments against me? Until the recent pages, there haven't been all that many if I recall correctly. If there were any that were REALLY worth replying to seriously, I would have already done so. 4. If it was said four times, then why didn't the person asking for clarification already understand it? 5. It's a bull reason to lynch me, though. My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia. 6. so? | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote: Also, since as of now theres basically a 3 way tie between Darth, Subversion, And Chaoser, what happens if theres a tie. Do they all get lynched? None of them? whoever has the most votes first gets lynched. On July 22 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o Doesn't really help that statement :/ Simple logic for ANY role. I don't want to die -_-. ? I'm addressing my vote-changing that everyone seems to be dying over. My current vote is for obvious reasons. | ||
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On July 22 2010 07:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well he has to vote for Chaoser to save himself, anyone would do that. --- Everyone's last vote is serious, the problem with voting like DTA is that we can't know in advance that it's his last vote. We can't ever get too suspicious about his voting patterns because he can be joking. And if his joke vote causes a bandwagon onto someone, he can just keep it there and say he was serious all along. And if someone investigates afterward, they'll focus on the people arguing for the lynch not the guy who is just joking around. Unless someone points out what's going on and how it makes the towns life harder; then he'll have to start acting more normal like he has. Day ends -> last vote is obvious isn't it? My joke vote never caused a bandwagon on someone because I never provided any reasoning because there was none because it was a joke. I assume that everyone here is older than 6 years old and does not blindly follow the leader (although some of you come close to it). ... Actually, I remember now that my vote on BrownBear was a half-joke, because someone said something like "whoever votes for BB is scum" so I voted for BB. Anyway, it's pretty obvious which votes of mine are serious and which of them are not serious. I'll go through and explain them in my next post. | ||
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On July 17 2010 11:47 DarthThienAn wrote: Abstain from voting placeholder On July 17 2010 12:03 DarthThienAn wrote: unabstain ##Vote: d3_crescentia Funnier placeholder because I know him. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2010 12:04 d3_crescentia wrote: oh so is that how it goes ##Vote: DarthThienAn He's joking around, he must be mafia guys. On July 17 2010 12:09 DarthThienAn wrote: Oh yeah? well unvote ##Vote: d3_crescentia Does this sound serious to you? + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 05:10 DarthThienAn wrote: If ketomai hasn't posted, why are we lynching him? He's going to get modkilled anyway. I don't get on as much these days, since I've been on vacation. The last 8+ pages or so, I wasn't present for, need to catch up on the last two later still. Switch him out for Amber[Light] imo. unvote ##Vote: Amber[LighT] If you disagree with my plan, let me explain my train of thought. People are going to get modkilled. We want to get rid of mafia. Modkills are going to kill those people anyway, therefore we should lynch someone who would not be modkilled. There are plenty of people who are being unhelpful. I am an example of it - look through to find more people like me. I don't have time to find people like that, but again, d3 is an example. Misder might be an example iirc. Chaoser would be an example. Therefore, we lynch one of those kinds of people, and help the town out by not being worried about it later (is this person mafia lurking or just inactive?) etc etc. A serious post -> a serious vote. Not too hard to follow is it? On July 20 2010 13:59 DarthThienAn wrote: ##Vote: Divinek Reason (this post is right before mine): On July 20 2010 13:59 Divinek wrote: oh since it's day then ##vote brown bear this has already thus been thoroughly justified and i hope i need not repeat myself in this post No explanation -> joke. "Unless everyone lynchinig you is the mob!" joke. On July 21 2010 05:30 DarthThienAn wrote: You'll find him. Again, I'll say that I have said more than half the people - maybe a third now - in this game. Is it so wrong that I choose to have some fun in between? unvote ##Vote: Subversion On July 21 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote: Subversion's posts: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 18:20 Subversion wrote: Hey guys, sorry for inactivity, been at the Boryeong Mud Festival! Gonna try catch up On July 18 2010 18:27 Subversion wrote: Cool, been looking over everything. Some interesting stuff happening for the first day. Gonna go over it a little more carefully before casting my vote. Want to see how some people defend themselves, and don't really just want to jump on a voting bandwagon. Also, abstaining is kind of stupid. Will vote later tonight. All of this is useless except for the bolded sentence. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote: ##Vote: Hyperbola Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. Jumps on the bandwagon despite what he said in his 2nd post... ...lol + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote: Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead. Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. Bolded: I don't fully understand the first sentence. The second sentence has been discussed. The rest: He was PART of that voting bloc LOL. I guess that's why he's trying to suggest that he's a townie. The chance of a mafia being there.. it's all pretty obvious. 6/30 players are mafia, a group of 6 or 7? Sure, there's probably 1 or 2 mafia in there. Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. I explained because Pandain was sooooo confused. And that was a serious vote. Explanation -> serious vote, although most of my thinking about Subversion happened out of thread. That brings up to chaoser, which is obvious. Cool? Bottom line: I think it was fairly clear when I was serious and when I wasn't serious. So your complaints about my vote changing doesn't really give a reason why I should be lynched.. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: 1. You responded to votes against you by zeks and bumatlarge with jokes aimed at their weakest /joking arguments when it wasn't all about that. 2. The point is that he was putting in honest effort to help town and discuss catching mafia. Which is the opposite of how you've been playing for most the game.3 3. The arguments by myself and misder that you've finally gotten around to acknowledging. 4. Your post wasn't addressed to anyone that I could tell. Echoing it again, doesn't hurt I guess, unless the echo chamber is drowning out more productive things. 5. "My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia." That's a great reason to lynch you. If your voting doesn't match up with your suspicions, and you don't explain why you're voting, you are throwing around confusion sparks everywhere. Just because some of them don't catch fire doesn't make it any less dangerous or more helpful. 1. Hmm. I'll go find zeks's post. bumatlarge didn't really have a reason did he? If we're thinking of the same post. He was just like, "you're playing different" which isn't really a good reason. 2. "Most of the game." Yet, I up to where I was last caught up, I still said more than 30% of the people in this game. Is that a bad thing? Maybe I'll just say as much as the least person does next time. 3. Misder's argument wasn't really an argument. It was a breakdown of Foolishness's posts, and then a vote for me, either based on the wifomness of Foolishness getting hit, or nothing. 4. Didn't I quote it? And wasn't it right above that post? See my last post where I go through my votes to see. 5. I said my vote CHANGING doesn't. Again, when I vote seriously, then I vote seriously. And I've already posted why it should be obvious what's a joke and what's not. Now that I think of it - d3 is a great target for a hit isn't he? He is a prime example of someone "laying low." Mafia took their chances at him being blue, and either got outsmarted by the medic(s) or hit a veteran. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:13 SiNiquity wrote: That's the only way the bombs go off  But if got lynched right now as a MH, one of my bombs would go to waste =P. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:15 BrownBear wrote: It's possible, and especially after his posting, I think we should give him a chance. So, here's what I'm gonna do ##Unvote: DarthThienAn Vote: chaoser (I refuse to vote for Subversion because I think the bandwagon on him is ridiculous.) However, Darth, here's what I'd like to see: Stop playing like Chez. You aren't Chez. You're DTA :3 It's not the jokes, I don't mind the jokes (and I got most of them), but I'd like to see you actually throw some more serious pro-town stuff in there as well. If I live, deal. I'll throw some random content in there with the spam. wink wink. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:16 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Can anyone summarize why they think chaoser is mafia? So far I haven't seen a single convincing analysis; it just looks like people are voting for him because other people are voting for him. That's what I'm doing! | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:45 chaoser wrote: I just want to point out that a lot of people are voting for me with good solid reasons like, "voting him, someone summarize for me?" or "i skimmed the last few pages" or "oh well, whatever" Honestly, I'd rather vote for Subversion than you, but I want to stay alive, lol. | ||
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On July 22 2010 08:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Alright, so the town consensus seems to be DTA is mafia or mad hatter. If he's mad hatter, I'm more determined to kill him before he gives the mafia an extra two kp instead of an extra one. I wonder puts bombs on people as jokes. I'm not really sold on the mad hatter thing anyway; I don't thing this is an RP server where you have to act crazy if the word "mad" is in your role name. It'd make more sense to me to lay low like a vigi. He's been acting suspicious all game, its not like he laid low for two days and then did something scummy on day 3 to try to get lynched and activate bombs. If he is mad hatter, mafia know this. If they have any idea who he suspects, here's what happens: They know he is clueless: Mafia will vote to save him from lynch, let him put on another bomb, probably hit him tonight. They know he is really onto them to the point of both of his bombs being on mafia by night 2: Mafia will let him live, at which point we can't tell if DTA isn't a red getting away with it. Here's the question for people who believe he is mad hatter. If so, I bet he's stubborn and puts another bomb down tonight. What are the odds he has his bombs well placed? Damn low. Most likely scenario in that case is that he puts another bomb on someone tonight, mafia kills him and we wake up to a huge body count. Mad Hatter is a good role for town if they can survive long enough to get two really good suspects. They have to lay low enough till they can get a really strong bead before their bombs become more benefit than liability. If DTA is mad hatter like he says, he's already got one bomb placed and just wants to survive to place one more. Why aren't his supporters asking him about his suspects? Do you trust him to kill people that you also suspect? At this point, even if he's mad hatter, I'd rather his bombs go to waste because I doubt if he's blue he survives long enough for them to be used well. Who said I was Mad Hatter? People are only saying that because I claimed Mad Batter, and they think they're clever. To clarify about my vote on BB: It was mostly a joke. I was suspicious of him, because of the day 1 absence and then having a terrible plan trying to get people to roleclaim when there's no reason why they should. But I wouldn't seriously vote for him, without that little nudge from whoever suggested it. "If DTA is mad hatter like he says, he's already got one bomb placed and just wants to survive to place one more." I never said this.. On July 22 2010 08:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well that's interesting that you get the idea that those votes were jokes, because DTA has clarified that the vote on BB was for his bad vigi plan, and the vote on sub was for the mafia praise; they apparently weren't jokes at all. Yet, I can't blame you at all for thinking they are jokes when he plays like this. This is exactly how the teflon armor works: he does whatever he wants as a "joke" and if joking starts to make him look bad he clarifies with reasons that his actions weren't jokes at all. vigi plan? veteran plan? In any case, I've already explained in full my vote on BB. Mainly a joke, but I did have suspicions about BB. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:44 youngminii wrote: I don't doubt that you've been spreading misinformation via PMs, that's what I know. You're also mistaken when you say people haven't defended DTA, I mounted one a few pages back although if it was a tossup between DTA and Subversion I'd save Subversion. I dunno youngminii. IS there any doubt that you're joined at the hip with Subversion? Thanks for defending me and all, but my thoughts = you and Subversion are connected. | ||
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On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @DTA So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company. If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^. What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing. lol at the reference. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote: so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something Basically. Like... Ace? said, it's about persuading people. Because unless you got some blues pwning or some reds mess up hard, it's all about what you think. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If everyone played like DTA, yes. That's why town shouldn't play like this and we should go after people who do. Cool, let's kill anyone whose playstyle we don't like. On July 22 2010 10:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract. I guess you'll never know. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:07 rastaban wrote: I listened to the whole thing, I love that woman's voice Drives my wife crazy lol.you should vote for Subversion too. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Is anyone going to at least address Subversion's blue claim? I mean, apparently DTA is not even claiming blue, which was holding some people back. The softness of Subversion's claim is perhaps a bit suspicious, but why are all of his voters ignoring it? Because I think he's red? | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:06 rastaban wrote: * = first in case of a tie not voting: double lynch: A thousand pardons effendi! Good catch thanks. yea you did. See BB and Amber. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:28 Subversion wrote: lol, now the other 2 suspects have joined forces to oust me. Guys please wake up. Literally the only valid suspicion on me, is some stupid remark. We've got to stop banging that drum. Please can we pick a valid target. To be honest, I don't like this vote at all. I'm not particularly convinced that chaoser and DTA are scum at all. Although if I had to choose, I'd choose DTA. But really, I am not the right person to lynch here. When you find out I'm not scum, what information are you going to gain from that? Have you seen this? | ||
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On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote: Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.##Vote DarthThienAn For Pyrr since I noticed this post while going through to do my own vote tally. To accuse me would draw attention to that mafia member for calling someone out on something that is so obviously a joke / invalid evidence. I've never said that d3 is scum. I'm implied that he should be posting more than he is, but other than that, I've never said anything one way or the other about him. My votes for him have been purely for entertainment value. Your argument to lynch me is... because you don't understand my posting behavior. You should start talking to Pyrr. Pyrr, I'm not sure why I should have replied to this seriously, if at all. Maybe you can paraphrase it to make it coherent? | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote: im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what? Dude why would you tell people about that. On July 22 2010 10:33 Subversion wrote: Yeah, I've read it. I don't really buy it though. I don't think youngminii has been any kind of vehement supporter of mine. I don't really feel anyone has consistently supported me, although many people have pointed out that I'm most likely innocent. And the reason about my day 1 vote is stupid. He wrote that as if he hasn't read my posts and posts a defending that. Posts which really made perfect sense. The only reason my vote looked suspicious at all was because people fucked up the count. I looked through your "defense" awhile ago. It was basically you saying "Why is everyone voting for me? I just bandwagoned because I didn't time to go through the thread, etc." That is a GREAT defense (to clarify). I'm not sure why people let you off the hook in the first place at all. Your vote was suspicious to me regardless of the results or who you voted before, because of WHEN you voted. Anyone who voted last minute like you and BB did should be under scrutiny immediately. Hence, the attention that has been given to you two. Combine that with the connection I see between you and youngminii and a couple others, you make a great lynch target. On July 22 2010 10:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Pretty sure the last vote change is darth going chaoser to subversion so darth is on the block. He's not gonna help us tonight if blue he's gonna put a bomb on some innocent he's probably never mentioned and then deaths everywhere. So Pyrr, are you normally this bad at mafia, or is it just this game? On July 22 2010 10:37 Roffles wrote: When does day end again? 12:00 KST? Cause something someone said makes me wanna change my vote, I just wanna see how much time I have left to ponder about my decision. 12 EDT. that's like 11 KST? I don't know. But it's in like 2 hours and a bit. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:41 SouthRawrea wrote: Edit: Removed because what I wrote made no sense. o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit! On July 22 2010 10:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: as it stands DTA was first to reach 7? Or subversion? Pretty sure I'm first right now. Which doesn't really make sense for me to unvote chaoser. But w/e. | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:41 Subversion wrote: Look, I've already softclaimed blue. Which was obviously a mistake since I gave mafia information, I was told that was stupid via PM and I agree. It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill! I guarantee you lynching me is not going to give you information, and is really going to set you back. Please fucking think about this now. I am NOT the best candidate. Lynching me is hugely risky, on account that I am telling the truth. Things we know about me: Claim blue Am noob - 1st mafia game essentially Vote based on one stupid remark, and a well defended day 1 vote Things we know about DTA: Claims not mafia, no claim of anything useful Highly skilled and experienced player Vote based on detailed post analysis and him playing out of character You lynch me, and I'm mafia, then you "apparently" have youngminii too. Any mafia is good so thats okay, although I disagree about youngminii. I really don't feel he's been a major supporter of mine. You lynch me, and I'm innocent, you lose a blue player, and gain zero information. You lynch DTA and he's mafia, then you have chaoser too. Since they did a little band together and vote for me trick, and chaoser seemed to jumkp on my bandwagon awfully fast. You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player. You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games. I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal. Oh you softclaimed blue, so we should instantly not lynch you? Bull. And anyone who says I did the same thing, I have never admitted anywhere that I am blue. You admitting that you are blue just makes you an idiot and a target tonight if you are one, a really bad townie, or mafia. "It is NOT useful to lynch someone who has a valuable town skill!" lol. Hey guys. My skill is a useful skill toi have too. How can you guarantee that it won't give us information when I've already given an example of one person that it points to if you are red? If you're green, more townie points for youngminii. @things we know about you: Playing the noob card now eh? youngminii was a newb too, he rocked pretty hard in my game. so /ignore. It wasn't a good defense. lol. It was just an excuse that you consider a good defense. I'm not sure people didn't call out how BS that is. Except that a lot of the other things that have been happening in this thread are BS. @things about me: Actually I claimed mafia on several occasions. Get your facts straight. "Highly skilled and experienced player" - where are you getting this from? lol. Don't talk about things you don't understand. "Vote based on..." what? I'm out of character, BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I'VE BEEN MAFIA FOR LIKE 3/4 PAST GAMES so don't even try to use this against me. Any comments about my character is completely wifom. If you know what that means. And now you're trying to cut off any connection to youngminii? Bravo. You guys really aren't connected. I've said previously that I'd rather lynch you than chaoser. Chaoser would rather live than die. It's an easy decision for him, and an obvious one for me. "You also lynch a highly skilled and threatening player." lol. Hey guys, let's lynch anyone who MIGHT be a good player. "You lynch him and he's innocent, you lose a vanilla townie who doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game anyway, based on what people expect from him due to prior games." Why the double standard? Shouldn't they expect the same from you as from me? "I am NOT the best lynch candidate, and the evidence against me is dismal." And the evidence against me? | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: ##Unvote Subversion ##Vote Abstain. I'll be voting later. I'm going to be honest. I lied  . I never wanted to vote for Subversion. But then this guy is like "Trust me!" So I do. But now I don't want Subversion out of this game if I truly don't believe he is mafia.I still have my suspicions towards Chaoser, unfortunately I couldn't respond to his arguments because doing so would go against the PMer's wishes. But that being said, he has defended himself decently, even though there are a few holes. But at the same time, perhaps its just coincidence. DTA, I'm not sure either. I mean, sure he's been playing weird but that doesn't mean he's mafia. The main problem I have with him is that he's not helping the town that much either. This decision is definitely going to bite me in the blah, since if I vote wrong then I will almost certainly be seen as Subversion is now, the deciding vote. At the same time, it will be even worse consideiring I know it may be tied. + Show Spoiler + Ha, I really hope it won't be tied when I vote. My decision will be at the very end in all liklihood, considering I must watch Day9's king of the beta thingie. I will make my decision carefully. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." | ||
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On July 22 2010 10:58 Subversion wrote: DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting. If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you. But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen. Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice. I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post. Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch. If you're blue, that is great reasoning. If you're red, that is great reasoning. If you're green, well, we should be lynching you anyway. Pyrr's post about me? lol. I already addressed that. He hasn't responded with any problems about it, except that I didn't do it sooner, which can't be helped. "Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch." lol. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:13 chaoser wrote: THIS is WIFOM Sigh, I don't even know what to think anymore. At this point I feel like none of us are mafia ;_;. Since both DTA and Subversion are soft claiming blue, I don't mind if I get lynched. I'm only green btw. We should just lynch me to prove how bad Pyrr is at this game. | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote: yes, WE SHOULD VOTE FUCKING AMBER, if any of you dudes would be man enough to switch. this is of course going to be hard to do cuz 3 of the votes are people trying to save their lives, but it'd only take all of them moving plus what 1 or 2 more? if you really do want to hit a red vote amber, but between the 3 right now i am so unsure Sorry Amber. Divinek and Opz have the same icons XD | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote: *Addition* Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that? He can't. I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too. can we kill him then? =] | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Subversion asked the same question. I don't get why we have to prove that we have more reds in our hands to vote for someone we think is red. More than one person has said, what happens if all three of us is town? | ||
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On July 22 2010 11:58 Protactinium wrote: After careful consideration, I have to ##Vote DarthThienAn. Your playstyle is too hard to read, and though you're posting in a more normal fashion at this point I believe you have polarized the town the most. While Subversion drew a lot of flak for the missed comment, in the end most of the impetuous people who jumped on that withdrew, but your case has thoroughly divided the town. At this point, I don't even know if any of you three are Mafia, and I am loathe to undertake a last-hour bandwagon. Between the madness you have brought us enough posts to look at, so in the case that you die we will be able to go back and find how this all started. like I said, when I die and flip town, lynch Pyrr | ||
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##Vote: chaoser I still think Subversion is more likely to be mafia. But chaoser has more votes. Tying it up just for Pandain. | ||
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People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too. People who haven't been posting that I remember: d3 zeks Jayme Laxer Amber (maybe?) I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:20 flamewheel wrote: Don't worry Mark I still rub u~ <3 | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:28 citi.zen wrote: Perhaps don't play "like chez" next time, eh? Not as easy (or fun) as it may seem! Was all worth it. I learned a lot. And I think everyone should experience it at least once. Besides, Chezinu is a much better spammer than me . | ||
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On August 02 2010 05:27 flamewheel wrote: Somebody analyze meeeeeeee meeeeeee Lol I sound like DTA ^_^v Also when you guys are done if you haven't signed up for XXX go do so! Yes this is an open advertisement but you know there's no number like triple-X. You can tell your children and grandchildren in the future about it! lol | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:20 flamewheel wrote: This is an unfair modkill. Also, the night post is already late, BM, just make it official and say "X is dead" o.O. You can pretty it later. | ||
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On August 03 2010 12:27 citi.zen wrote: Phssss.... night posts are for pantsies. Real Mafia players play on, with or without them. I demand death! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 01 2010 11:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I still think Misder and BC were working together. Even if he is town, he says he's gonna be mostly gone which gives town one less vote. Also, if Misder's red it was BrownBear's switch that saved him. #vote Misder On August 01 2010 13:00 Divinek wrote: hm i see, i missed like half of that before cause i was reading through the thread too fast. I tend to agree with it for the most part though it could use more original input as a conclusion of all the facts or something but whatever. I'm pissed misder didnt die yesterday, and somehow tree hugger ended up dying while i was unable to get on and apparently so was he ##vote Misder for now, or until townie people can come forth with better candidates. I will miss young's activity even if it was fueled by a fair amount of blind rage whichever comes first, though it can be hard to wrap your mind around when for now will come but yeahhh it will On August 01 2010 14:32 Tricode wrote: ##Vote Rastaban He knew BC was going to die so I think he just added crap to keep him/her self alive and suspicion off him as if he/she were a good towny and made a lame ass fake post with fake messages. The writing just doesn't seem like BC from how long I have known him. They lack his intellectual language and there are just some things I just never seen him write. Though there is still a chance i could be wrong about this, either case I believe those pm's are fake and the time in which he tried to help get BC killed didn't really do much of a push to get BC killed. On August 01 2010 17:23 Misder wrote: It was me who is the least active, but now, it seems like there are others as inactive as me. I'm just gonna continue to vote for rastaban. I still believe that BC is smart enough to create a fake pm for the mafia group in order to get rid of any suspicion of a mafia member. #Vote rastaban On August 02 2010 04:30 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...And you could be protecting Misder to keep the mafia KP at two. ...Also... ##Vote Abstain I have to work. And I'm waiting on some things. Let's see where this goes... On August 02 2010 05:19 Protactinium wrote: Also: ##Vote: Abstain for now. I'm starting to get tired of there being so little inactivity in this thread. Because of that, I'm going to leave this thread now and not come back for a good period of time, and I'm liable to forget to vote otherwise. Please start talking, people. You'd think that with five days and nights gone by we'd have more to work off of... On August 02 2010 06:03 BrownBear wrote: lol you guys. ##Vote: Misder For now, at least. Also, where is d3? Haven't seen him in forever. On August 02 2010 06:03 BrownBear wrote: D'oh. ##Unvote: Misder ##Vote: Abstain Was on autopilot, my mind was thinking about Misder... yeah. I are dumb :/ On August 02 2010 07:58 d3_crescentia wrote: What is this abstaining shit? ##vote: Misder## On August 02 2010 14:25 BrownBear wrote: Posting part of my notepad document on this game: + Show Spoiler [BrownBear's notes] + ROLES STILL ALIVE 10 Total Scum: 3 vanilla scum Town: 2 vets Vig (Tricode) 4 vanilla town WHAT I KNOW So here's town list: Townie: BrownBear (I am green) d3 (claimed survived nighthit, forget if it was confirmed) Tricode (vigi) Divinek (claimed vet) Still 3 town and 3 scum out there, off of this list: chaoser rastaban Opz Misder Pyrrholuxia Protactinium Of these: chaoser is still scummy. BC did hate on him, though. rastaban is likely town unless BC pulled some epic mindgame shit. Opz is ? Misder is FUCKING INACTIVE JESUS CHRIST Pyrr is scummy, IMO. Weird voting patterns, weird posting patterns... I dunno. Protact has been way more town-aligned recently, but still could be mafioso trying to gain town's trust. So essentially, WHAT THE FUCK WHERE'S ALL OUR INFORMATION. My ideas: The BC-South trail goes cold... at rastaban. If it wasn't LYLO I'd push for rasta's lynch just to see what info that digs up. Other than that, maybe Pyrr or chaoser? I don't like the "HAY GUYS LYNCH MISDER HE'S INACTIVE" So, in the interest of getting chaoser to post (I want to see the big huge thing he promised a little while back)... ##Vote: chaoser Again, possibly just a temporary thing to see how he reacts. Possibly a permanent thing if he doesn't react or reacts scummy. On August 02 2010 14:28 Divinek wrote: we should lynch pyrr just because, isnt that solid well thought out reasoning ##unvote ##vote pyrr i hope that vote is clear enough for you mr bm On August 02 2010 22:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Vote: Pyrr You being alive is an enigma in itself.... On August 02 2010 23:46 rastaban wrote: Vote: Chaoser Reason incoming, I have to make a couple calls but will have it up shortly after. On August 03 2010 04:19 d3_crescentia wrote: It makes me a townie because I got saved Night 1, when no Vigis could shoot and Mafia can't kill each other at all. Unless you believe that Foolishness got double-stacked and this is an elaborate ploy. @rastaban your post sort of summarized what I was going to say in a different post. Let's be blunt here - abstaining at this point in time is bullshit. Thinking: ##vote: chaoser On August 03 2010 05:45 Protactinium wrote: At least there are more pages to read now. I'm typing up one of my long posts, and it's going to take me an hour or two... For now though, I'm going to ##Vote: Pyrrhuloxia I'm somewhat baffled that he has stayed alive this long. Through this game Mafia have wanted to kill big names early on to prevent town unity. The fact that Pyrrhuloxia remains alive is thus slightly intriguing, but it could be another layer of WiFOM. However, please do note that I am suspicious of Chaoser. He posted more than 24 hours saying he would be back, and if he's on the east coast it's almost 5:00 p.m. I just don't want to vote for him now since that'd place him very close to majority. Typing longer post. On August 03 2010 05:55 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: ##vote Chaoser On August 03 2010 07:26 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2010 04:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: D3 had to of been hit by mafia. Stop throwing suspicion onto him. Tricode had ONE hit. He used it on BC. So d3 was med procted by roffles of sinquity. D3 is Town aligned, and you are most likely mafia or can't understand that mafia never stack hits day one. They only stack when they KNOW they are going to hit someone that is important. Hate to break it to you. Anyway, I'm more certain about some things now. Everyone, check your PMs. Upper left corner. I'm not throwing suspicion on d3, I was just wondering. Thats why I said that he was town aligned as the consensus, and I just wanted to know why. I got a PM from Pandain? Is that of importance? + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2010 05:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: You made a post recounting almost everything Foolishness said, leaving out his suspicions and ultimate vote for BC. Plus you didn't vote for him Day 4. Plus BC tried to establish you and zeks as innocent, except (unlike Zeks) people had a lot of reasons to be suspicious of you already and called out BC for calling you likely green. I thought I went through every single post that day. I'm sorry I didn't get everything. citi,zen already corrected me on my mistake; i get it. I wasn't the only one who didn't vote for BC. And even BB said that he almost didn't vote for him even after being very very against him. No one was suspicious of me until like 2 days ago... BC called zeks innocent. Just look at that. BC didn't know that zeks was the mad hatter that time. But hes a smart mafia player. If we had lynched BC before, we would have wasted a double lynch on lyching zeks the mad hatter and me the townie. Anyways, I'm taking my vote off of rastaban. My original suspicion was based on BC-rastaban pms an that I thought that BC made up a PM list for rastaban to send. But now that I think about it, it really does seem like rastaban is just a puppet. Its still smart on BC's part, and rastaban is making good analysis on chaoser, which I agree with. And the story fits in the overall picture. ##Unvote rastaban ##Vote pyrr Im voting for pyrr for four reasons. 1. his push on lynching DTA. It was he who started the bandwagon. People already was suspicious of DTA of his weird behavior, but it wasn't like he seemed mafia like. pyrr the mafia knew this, and it was a simple way to lynch a veteran (as in plays the game mafia a lot) without being suspicious. 2. DTA said to lynch him. 3. He himself is a veteran (at the game). He was kind of invisible throughout the game besides the lynching of DTA. 4. His voting sequence has been DTA, DTA, citi.zen, Pandain, Misder. 3 of these are dead townies, and I know I am a townie. On August 03 2010 07:30 chaoser wrote: ##abstain I'll try to answer every question that comes my way but i really DO need to shower now lol On August 03 2010 08:44 Protactinium wrote: I went back and read some of your past games and you seem right... but then you have been town. Just because you say you're not the type of player who does these kinds of mental games doesn't mean it can't happen; WiFOM remember? Also, if you were part of the Mafia team you wouldn't have to have worried about it, since it seems like everything was orchestrated by BloodyC0bbler. I don't doubt the youngminii thing since he was going after you hard, but it does seem like a very convenient thing to say... I'm still not very convinced, sorry. ##Vote: Chaoser I will be back later to check. This isn't final, but I do want you to talk more. Also: where is BrownBear? He said he'd be back to listen to Chaoser but I haven't seen him in a while. On August 03 2010 08:49 Protactinium wrote: No, I just realized that was the fifth vote on Chaoser. ##Vote: BrownBear until he comes back to do some talking. On August 03 2010 09:06 Protactinium wrote: To be honest, that's all just semantics. 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