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I don't like how this situation is playing out...the votes are so close, Mafia should be able to save their own if they wanted to if one of their own was in trouble. But they're not. What does this mean...
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mass shifting votes means mafia is at work trying to confuse the process so we can't get info out of it tomorrow right?
Sorry DTA, you betray me, I betray you.
##unvote
##vote DarthThienAn
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## Vote Double Lynch
what? oh lol
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On July 22 2010 12:22 Subversion wrote:
Why?
Everyone is pretty much agreed that me and DTA are most likely town.
Only difference is, I have claimed blue, he has claimed green.
Why vote off the townie with an important skill?
Why was I not included in this ;_;
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On July 22 2010 13:09 Pandain wrote:Haha! Holy shit. Mine WAS the deciding factor.
not really, DTA was at 9, I was at 8, if you voted me I would be 9 but DTA got there first.
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On July 22 2010 13:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I regret nothing. Why the fuck did he fake blue?
I don't think he ever faked blue, someone else said mad hatter and he joking said mad batter or something like that
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On July 22 2010 21:21 zeks wrote:
10] DarthThienAn (Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban, ~OpZ~, Protactinium, chaoser, Pandain)
8] chaoser (youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear, Divinek, siniquity )
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], iNfuNdiBuLuM, DarthThienAn, d3_crescentia)
Quite amazingly we somehow had a 3 player split in votes - which really works in the favor of scum as they can spread their votes as much as they want.
Now that DTA has flipped green (sucks and I contributed to his hanging also), assuming chaoser and Subversion aren't lying about the blue claims then in scum point of view it wouldn't have mattered who died - of course it'd be a big plus to lynch a blue.
Having said that if Subversion and chaoser are both telling the truth I'd be very surprised if neither of them took a hit today.
A blue claim is obviously more dangerous than a green one, which is why I will give both Subversion and chaoser the benefit of the doubt for now.
Judging by the voting pattern a little bit it seemed like scum didn't feel threatened at all at any point about voting (tight voting, not any irregular activity in stacks of voting)...which may suggest something about the lynch candidates
Um, I NEVER SAID I was a blue role. Don't know where you got that from, sorry.
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I'll go dive down into that orgyfuck of a vote and bring out all the switches and stuff. Be back in a bit, don't look for me if I don't make it out alive.
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Pyrrhuloxia vote DTA at 19:16
XeliN vote DTA at 20:25
zeks votes DTA at 20:33 (actually voted DTA at 23:58 the previous KST day)
Subversion votes DTA at 21:20
The 3 votes (pyrr,xelin,sub) jump DTA to the top of the list from 3 to 6
citi.zen votes zeks at 23:38 (says he might vote misder if convinced)
misder unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 1:32 (drops DTA to 5, chaoser to 4)
Amber[Light] unvotes BB votes Subversion at 1:34 (Subversion at top with 6, BB at 4)
BB votes DTA at 2:22 (DTA ties Subversion at top with 6)
Protactinium abstains at 2:26
LaXerCannon votes DTA at 3:00 (DTA to top with 7)
Lakrismamma votes Roffles at 4:32
BC votes amber at 4:51
Roffles votes chaoser at 5:16 (chaoser to 5)
Lakrismamma votes chaoser at 5:53 (chaoser to 6)
rastaban unvotes BB, abstains at 6:25
Pandian unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion (Subversion ties DTA at 7, chaoser at 5)
citi.zen unvotes zeks, votes chaoser (chaoser at 6)
DTA unvotes Subversion, votes chaoser (DTA, Subversion, Chaoser tie at top in that order)
At this point BrownBear is out of the equation
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i'll post the next part in a bit. I'm 95% sure that list is correct. At that moment, We all tie at top and soon the dancing starts
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BM, can i edit the numbers in my votepattern post? I'm doublechecking and the numbers aren't adding up 100%
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read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks
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fuck it, I give up with the vote list, I checked three times and the numbers aren't working out over about 20-25 pages. I'll just post what I have and examine it.
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+ Show Spoiler +rastaban unabstains, votes DTA at 7:35 (DTA 8, Cha 7, Sub 7)
BBt unvotes DTA, votes chaoser at 8:15 (DTA 7, Cha 8, Sub 7)
Divinek unvotes BB, votes chaoser at 8:34 (Cha 9, DTA 7, Sub 7)
chaoser unvotes Sub, votes DTA at 8:41 (Cha 9, DTA 8, Sub 6)
Lakrismamma abstains at 9:30
chaoser unvotes DTA, votes Subversion at 9:37 (Cha 9, DTA 7, Sub 7)
Divinek unvotes chaoser, votes amber at 9:44 (Cha 8, DTA 7, Sub 7)
At this point amber has 2 votes, BB has 3
DTA unvotes chaoser, votes Subversion at 9:55 (Cha at 7, DTA 7, Sub 8)
Here BM announces voting ends in about 2 hours
Pandain unvotes Subversion, Abstains at 10:51 (Sub at 7/top, Cha 7, DTA 7)
OpZ unvotes BB, votes DTA at 10:58 (DTA 8, Sub 7, Cha 7)
Siniquity unabstains, votes chaoser at 11:03 (DTA 8/top, Cha 8, Sub 7)
iNfuNdiBuLuM votes Subversion at 11:44 (DTA 8/top, Cha 8, Sub 8)
Divinek unvotes amber, votes chaoser at 11:54 (Cha 9, DTA 8, Sub 8)
Protactinium votes DTA at 11:58 (Cha 9/top, DTA 9, Sub 8)
There is an hour left
DTA unvotes Sub, votes chaoser at 12:01 (Cha 10, DTA 9, Sub 7)
Tricode unvotes BB, abstains at 12:07
chaoser unvotes Sub, votes DTA at 12:11 (Cha 10, DTA 10, Sub 6)
DTA unvotes chaoser, votes Sub at 12:16, says cya (DTA 10, Cha 9, Sub 7)
d3_crescentia votes Subversion at 12:20 (DTA 10, Cha 9, Sub 8)
Pandain unabstains, votes DTA at 12:59 (
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I'mma edit in a spoiler cause I don't want to make it too long, ain't changing anything
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On July 23 2010 09:07 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 08:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Also, some collected important info: + Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Hyperbola (6)
Divinek
Pandain
SiNiquity
bumatlarge
Brownbear
Subversion
Youngminii (5)
XeliN
Amber[Light]
Roffles
Infundibulum
Jayme
Abstain (6)
LaXerCannon
tricode
SouthRawrea
chaoser
protactinium
zeks
DTA (3)
d3_crescentia
Pyrrhuloxia
tree.hugger
ketomai (2)
citi.zen
lakrismamma
Amber[Light] (1)
DTA
BloodyCobbler (2)
OpZ
Foolishness
LaXerCannon (1)
Misder
Citi.zen (1)
rastaban
SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola
Pandain (1)
BloodyCobbler
Infundibulum (1)
youngminii
DTA (10)
Pyrrhuloxia
XeliN
zeks
Subversion
LaXerCannon
rastaban
OpZ
Protactinium
chaoser
Pandain
chaoser (8)
youngminii
Roffles
SouthRawrea
misder
citi.zen
BrownBear
Divinek
SiNiquity
Subversion (7)
tree.hugger
bumatlarge
jayme
Amber[Light]
Infundibulum
DTA
d3_crescentia
Amber[Light] (1)
Bloody Cobbler
Abstain (2)
lakrismamma
tricode
People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes: Pandain Subversion + Show Spoiler +Hyperbola's "Death Post" On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:Brown BearShow nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh shti!
I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill? Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote:
Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread. Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminiiShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?
Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta. You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquityI had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannonShow nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.
IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list). We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed. I'm getting carried away here... I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action. I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go. Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote:
##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>) Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen! Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'. ##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no? On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?
Oh hell no absolutely not.
I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.
No lynch is a terrible idea. If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS. Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote:
playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours. First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote:
chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.
People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.
People who haven't been posting that I remember:
d3
zeks
Jayme
Laxer
Amber (maybe?)
I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.
Most useful post during the entire night. + <3s. Saved me from backtracking again. I still say night posting is kind of dumb.
How is night posting dumb? It's useful for examining the day that just happened and allows for talking about voting patterns. Once day hits we'll be too busy looking at hits/night actions to even talk about voting from the previous day. At least, it won't be as organized
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On July 23 2010 10:11 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote:
read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks Still waiting eagerly!
OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck:
When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background.
If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things.
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Either way I need more information before I can officially FoS anyone so I'm waiting for night post,and in the meanwhile I guess i'm FomS-ing them?
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