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On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why? If you would read the thread once in a while, you would've read my reasoning earlier. It's okay, I'm kind enough to explain it again. There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Anyway, what's wrong with you people. You lynch DTA and say 'we fucked up' and 'we didn't learn anything'? I'll come back when I have some free time and lay down a solid argument against chaoser. Until then, have fun.
I don't think you really answered my question
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? am i just misreading it? how is what he said an answer for "why don't you think tree.hugger is red, given all the sketchy shit you say he's doing?"
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Or, youngminii, you could answer the question and clarify your position for the rest of the town.
As it is right now, you are
1) dodging the question
2) becoming hostile
I was not hostile - the post you made about tree huggers PM's is actually pretty important and I didn't really follow your thought process. You obviously know a lot about tree hugger, yet you are refusing to share this information with the town. Why? I looked back in the thread and didn't see the clarifying post you mentioned before.
I don't understand why you're so uncooperative. Like I said, if i was in your position, i would be thinking pretty hard about tree hugger being scum, especially since he'd been pushing for Subversions lynch over chaoser - someone who you thought (think) was red. But you don't think he's scum. I asked why, a reasonable question, and you haven't answered.
Why are you dodging the questions?
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On July 23 2010 13:09 youngminii wrote:
How am I dodging the question? Do I seriously have to quote it again? The answer's right there.
What am I refusing to share? Obviously I'm going to be hostile when my scum suspects are ganging up on me, no shit. Why don't you stop dodging MY question and answer how am I dodging the question? How am I refusing to share information? How am I being uncooperative?
Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question:
+ Show Spoiler [posts] +On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote:
Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 14:27 Roffles wrote:On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this). Yawn, you can count me in on that as well. I however don't pay much attention to PMs and I kinda just said screw it to what he wanted me to do. I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading. On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote:
Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play.
Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was.
If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts.
Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here?
Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question!
Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny.
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On July 23 2010 13:27 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 youngminii wrote:
How am I dodging the question? Do I seriously have to quote it again? The answer's right there.
What am I refusing to share? Obviously I'm going to be hostile when my scum suspects are ganging up on me, no shit. Why don't you stop dodging MY question and answer how am I dodging the question? How am I refusing to share information? How am I being uncooperative? Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] +On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote:
Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 14:27 Roffles wrote:On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this). Yawn, you can count me in on that as well. I however don't pay much attention to PMs and I kinda just said screw it to what he wanted me to do. I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading. On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote:
Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why? There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Now I'm just getting annoyed because you seem to be fucking blind. I've said this three times already. Go read the mafia manifesto or something.
Youngminii post response generator v 0.89b
Output: you are the scummiest bad player ever, can you even read? Your play is so awful I don't understand?
Accept output [y/n]
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i like to think that i've been the most civil one here 
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On July 23 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:27 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 youngminii wrote:
How am I dodging the question? Do I seriously have to quote it again? The answer's right there.
What am I refusing to share? Obviously I'm going to be hostile when my scum suspects are ganging up on me, no shit. Why don't you stop dodging MY question and answer how am I dodging the question? How am I refusing to share information? How am I being uncooperative? Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] +On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote:
Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 14:27 Roffles wrote:On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this). Yawn, you can count me in on that as well. I however don't pay much attention to PMs and I kinda just said screw it to what he wanted me to do. I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading. On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote:
Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why? There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Now I'm just getting annoyed because you seem to be fucking blind. I've said this three times already. Go read the mafia manifesto or something. Youngminii post response generator v 0.89bOutput: you are the scummiest bad player ever, can you even read? Your play is so awful I don't understand? Accept output [y/n] I would like to ask you the same question. Please read my post at least 3 times carefully and then wisely respond.
i'm still working out the bugs in the code
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On July 23 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote:
Too... much... flaming...
Seriously guys, this isn't helping us scumhunt.
neither are you
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Just FYI bill murray is taking so long because he's playing NFL Blitz UMS map in brood war.
Lynch BM Day 3 for making us wait? i think so
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On July 23 2010 13:47 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote:
Too... much... flaming...
Seriously guys, this isn't helping us scumhunt. neither are you Because every time I try to read through the thread and find something, I have to wade through tons of flamewar and bullshit, and it gets demoralizing. Also, I'm waiting for daypost. Relax.
sorry
i'm a little drunk right now
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On July 23 2010 13:49 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 13:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:27 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 13:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 23 2010 13:09 youngminii wrote:
How am I dodging the question? Do I seriously have to quote it again? The answer's right there.
What am I refusing to share? Obviously I'm going to be hostile when my scum suspects are ganging up on me, no shit. Why don't you stop dodging MY question and answer how am I dodging the question? How am I refusing to share information? How am I being uncooperative? Look, this is every post you made between the Tree Hugger PM post and the post where you answered me saying you had "already answered the question: + Show Spoiler [posts] +On July 22 2010 14:09 youngminii wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the most important part: the question. Pretty much, why are you doing this via PM when you can just do it publicly in the thread? Is it because you're avoiding any counter arguments so that your PM recipients will have an easier time believing/trusting you or is it something else? On July 22 2010 14:12 youngminii wrote:
Ya I'd have asked for protection too but that's literally giving suicide bomber free medic kills. On July 22 2010 14:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 14:27 Roffles wrote:On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.
Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this). Yawn, you can count me in on that as well. I however don't pay much attention to PMs and I kinda just said screw it to what he wanted me to do. I don't understand why he's doing that. I just, I don't even... On July 22 2010 14:54 youngminii wrote:
I dunno I feel as if I'll get NK'd tonight. My spidey senses are tingling. On July 22 2010 14:58 youngminii wrote:
Don't want to bring back the useless debate, ignoring your post. On July 22 2010 15:25 youngminii wrote: I hope you enjoy reading. On July 23 2010 09:01 youngminii wrote:
Don't edit at all in any situation for any reason without BM's approval. On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play. Like I said, the answer wasn't in there even though you said it was. If you'll notice this game I have never once said I thought you were red. I have been asking you questions, because you've been making some out of the ordinary posts. Your reactions to these questions have generally been hostile, uncooperative (see: the reply I am quoting) and overall it seems like you think I don't like you or something. Which personally, I don't understand. I'm a pretty friendly guy. But when my questions are met with you saying things like "this is the scummiest post ever," or "you are fucking bad," - which are things you have actually typed in this thread, paraphrased - is it any wonder why I don't think you're meeting me on equal grounds here? Now, maybe I really am a fucking idiot, but that explanation you gave previously didn't make any sense to me and I and probably several others would like it if you could just be clear about things instead of saying "I'm not dodging the question" while continuing to dodge the question! Look, if you really are town, your abrasive reactions aren't helping you at all and will help you get lynched more than anything I could ever muster. And there really hasn't been that much pressure on you at all this game, so I'd hate to see you react under actual intense scrutiny. On July 23 2010 12:05 youngminii wrote:On July 23 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why? There's no reason for scum to pin me along with Subversion. If Subversion is scum, then tree.hugger wouldn't be lynching him (unless it's epically bad bussing). If Subversion's isn't scum, then what's the point of 'pinning' me to Subversion? It makes no logical sense. Now I'm just getting annoyed because you seem to be fucking blind. I've said this three times already. Go read the mafia manifesto or something. Youngminii post response generator v 0.89bOutput: you are the scummiest bad player ever, can you even read? Your play is so awful I don't understand? Accept output [y/n] I would like to ask you the same question. Please read my post at least 3 times carefully and then wisely respond. i'm still working out the bugs in the code Okay since apparently I'm being too angry here, I'll stop saying read my posts and I'll explain it for you. The reason I don't believe tree.hugger is scum is because very early in the game I received a PM explaining what tree.hugger has been saying to people. He said (as you should already know) that if subversion is scum, then I am scum too. He also that that if DTA is scum, then I'm still unknown. Now the reason I don't think tree.hugger is scum (I simply think he's a bad town) is because of the following scenarios. 1) Tree.hugger and subversion are both scum In this case, tree.hugger would be doing a very bad form of bussing as he's telling everyone (needlessly) to lynch subversion. Then he would be able to get a lynch off me since he's telling everyone that I'm connected to subversion (I don't even know how that works) but no scum is stupid enough to do this form of play. 2) Tree.hugger is scum and subversion is town Well, tree.hugger COULD just be spreading this information to lynch subversion. But then that removes the possibility of being able to lynch me (in the near future). There's no reason for scum to needlessly link me to subversion if subversion is town, because that rules out the theory of me being scum too. 3) Tree.hugger is town and subversion is scum/town Tree.hugger is bad town spreading information via PM by fortune of bad play. Most likely.
Okay, thanks. i see what you're getting at now. I wish you had just posted something like this in the first place
for number one, the connection between you and subversion that tree hugger has been talking about in the thread has to do with the day one lynch, i'm pretty sure.
basically, subversion voted for hyperbola instead of you. he was the deciding vote and it resulted in a townie getting lynched. basically if subversion was to flip red to a dt check or death, it would look really bad for you, and the same for him if you flipped red.
Of course it seems to me that tree huggers arguments hinge on the assumption that either you or subversion are red. If both of you are green then the connection is null.
so that raises the question of whether or not tree hugger is a detective, and checked subversion night 1, and has been trying to convince people to vote for him.
One thing you do have to admit about the Day 2 vote is that the entire push on chaoser came at the perfect time to push Subversion away from the lead. If chaoser is town side, then this can easily be seen as a mafia push to make the top 2 candidates both townies so it wouldn't matter who won. I know you think chaoser is red, but the timing of it is very convenient.
Subversion has also been using the newbie excuse, but the fact is he has been the center of the critical actions for Days 1 and 2, which means I don't want to waive all reasoning in light of the "he's just new" excuse.
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Pandain might as well wait for night actions to come in before we make any concrete decisions.
Generally, yes, I want to vote double lynch on Day 3 and I probably will be voting for it unless I die.
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yes if we vote double lynch on Day 3 it is active on Day 4
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On July 23 2010 14:35 youngminii wrote:
The real question is why would vigilante hit any of these three? It makes no sense. There was no spotlight on any of them and they didn't really shine a spotlight at anyone (well BC said some things a while back).
Yeah they were pretty inactive. It's definite bluesnipe
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we should not lynch tricode
in fact mafia are going to want to kill him, why would we do their job for them?
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hey guys, catching up.
just a heads up i'm going to be out all day tomorrow, driving to check out some granites and then going to an M.C. Escher exhibit. i will be back in time to vote though.
let me read all of this citizen stuff and i'll drop a post of my thoughts before i disappear
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On July 24 2010 21:58 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 17:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 24 2010 17:20 youngminii wrote:
What information? I'm running under the assumption no 'important' information will be passed along. I hope they're smart enough not to tell each other what blue roles they've found. dude your trusting someone with a game breaking plan and assuming someone isn't going to pass information of whos been cleared (even if all you say is cleared) down a line. People screw up in pms all the time. the longer a mafia sits in with them with you the higher chance you have to screw up. BC is telling us here that the DTs should not coordinate with each other because there is a chance of a slip-up. Again, he is acting as red as can be, using his credibility to try to spread misinformation. Vote for him in today's lynch and don't tell me the Dt names until you see BC flip GF. Easy win after that.
no, he actually has a really good point - that people screw up all the time. i can't tell you how many games i've been in where the dt's manage to start a blue circle, include one too any idiots and get the role info leaked to the mafia = dead blues; or inadvertently let the mafia directly into the PM circle = dead blues
your plan is solid but not error proof nor fool proof, and we can't pretend like it is
the reason to be careful is that this is basically THE GAME right here. if town screws up they lose it's over, if it works then town is sitting pretty
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what i'm trying to say citizen is that i don't doubt the veracity of your claim
but town has the rest of the day to figure this out - calling for a lynch on BC because he's the only player not saying "hurr citizen is ownage!" is retarded
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On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, let's blow this taco stand.
I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it:
1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player.
2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one.
3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win.
OK - this bolded right here, is the most vulnerable part of your plan, citi.
You are right - with no counter-claim, you yourself are in the clear.
Remember, no dt check is confirmed because of the Godfather.
As BC pointed out, if the GF decided to appear as DT he could have a representative (a red) act as his contact for this. However, the chances of GF picking DT in my experience are pretty low (never seen it happen) and mafia probably played it safe with vet or townie. But it's still POSSIBLE and so it must be weighed into consideration.
The other thing is, how can you ask the DT to claim if more than 1 representative comes forward? The way the plan is worded, you yourself do not know the names of the DT's and are instead passing the names of the representatives, or am i misreading?
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On July 25 2010 00:44 citi.zen wrote:
BC is plainly not making sense. He is red. Stop trying to distract.
stop trying to discourage discussion
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