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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 01:42 GMT
#1081
yeah its 12 EST
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 02:44 GMT
#1165
Ugh

i've already outlined my reasons for chaoser being innocent.

at first i was pretty convinced by Pyrr's essay, but youngminii and a couple other players did point out some flaws. upon reexamination it also seems that Pyrr was very selective in which posts of DTA he presented, picking only the worst posts and omitting DTA's more logical and serious posts.

I'm pretty sure Subversion is townie as i've been saying for the past 20 pages or something. but at this point it looks like i have to choose the lesser of two evils.

#vote subversion

Sorry, man. nothing personal.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 02:48 GMT
#1168
On July 22 2010 11:47 youngminii wrote:
I hate this game. It made me miss day9's daily.


whatsa matter?
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 02:51 GMT
#1171
On July 22 2010 11:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ugh

i've already outlined my reasons for chaoser being innocent.

at first i was pretty convinced by Pyrr's essay, but youngminii and a couple other players did point out some flaws. upon reexamination it also seems that Pyrr was very selective in which posts of DTA he presented, picking only the worst posts and omitting DTA's more logical and serious posts.

I'm pretty sure Subversion is townie as i've been saying for the past 20 pages or something. but at this point it looks like i have to choose the lesser of two evils.

#vote subversion

Sorry, man. nothing personal.

Now what are these posts I left out? He had serious posts answering Foolishness, which I mentioned. He also had a serious post discussing someone's plan at some point. The vast majority of posts were clearly not serious. He had no serious posts until Foolishness and I called him out Day 1. There's no debating that he has become way more serious and logical since I've held his feet to the fire Day 2.

And I don't see how you can be sure that Subversion is townie when he is clearly blue or red at this point.


yes, i thin those Foolishness posts and "plan posts" were the ones I'm thinking of.

joking around isn't a sign of scum in my experience. I've seen players do it no matter what side they're on.

By "Townie" i meant town-side, i.e. blue or green. sorry, i should have been clearer there.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 02:56 GMT
#1175
On July 22 2010 11:55 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ugh

i've already outlined my reasons for chaoser being innocent.

at first i was pretty convinced by Pyrr's essay, but youngminii and a couple other players did point out some flaws. upon reexamination it also seems that Pyrr was very selective in which posts of DTA he presented, picking only the worst posts and omitting DTA's more logical and serious posts.

I'm pretty sure Subversion is townie as i've been saying for the past 20 pages or something. but at this point it looks like i have to choose the lesser of two evils.

#vote subversion

Sorry, man. nothing personal.

Most suspicious post in a long time.


why is it suspicious?

you're not going to convince anyone of anything without some reasons.

or are you just bitter about day 1?
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 02:58 GMT
#1178
On July 22 2010 11:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2010 11:55 youngminii wrote:
On July 22 2010 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ugh

i've already outlined my reasons for chaoser being innocent.

at first i was pretty convinced by Pyrr's essay, but youngminii and a couple other players did point out some flaws. upon reexamination it also seems that Pyrr was very selective in which posts of DTA he presented, picking only the worst posts and omitting DTA's more logical and serious posts.

I'm pretty sure Subversion is townie as i've been saying for the past 20 pages or something. but at this point it looks like i have to choose the lesser of two evils.

#vote subversion

Sorry, man. nothing personal.

Most suspicious post in a long time.

lol yeah ignore chaoser much?


chaoser has been a more positive contributor to the town than subversion has.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 03:14 GMT
#1202
On July 22 2010 12:11 chaoser wrote:
mass shifting votes means mafia is at work trying to confuse the process so we can't get info out of it tomorrow right?

Sorry DTA, you betray me, I betray you.

##unvote
##vote DarthThienAn


][_, {[]} ][_,
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 03:22 GMT
#1215
On July 22 2010 12:22 youngminii wrote:
infundibfuwifsulucvum


It's "Infundibulum."
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 03:28 GMT
#1219
youngminii doesn't like me because i voted for him day 1

all i ever wanted was to be loved
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 04:01 GMT
#1266
pandain is such a lil drama queen

i kinda like reading it though
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 04:42 GMT
#1321
On July 22 2010 13:28 citi.zen wrote:
Perhaps don't play "like chez" next time, eh? Not as easy (or fun) as it may seem!


funny how you and d3 pop out of the woodwork as soon as the night post comes up
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 04:45 GMT
#1325
On July 22 2010 13:43 youngminii wrote:
Also, all evidence as of right now points to me being a better player than you, protractinium. I defended DTA, you lynched him. There is every reason in the world I'm allowed to tell you how to play.


All in all this doesn't mean a whole lot.

A red player will vote for one of his own if he knows that person will die anyway. He will also defend a townie who has good chances of dying in order to make himself appear more credible.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 04:46 GMT
#1326
ebwop: not saying you're red, but you seem to be implying that voting for chaoser makes you confirmed town. it doesn't. just like me defending DTA does not confirm me as town.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 04:51 GMT
#1335
On July 22 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote:
infundilxzcblum


It's "Infundibulum."
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 05:10 GMT
#1344
On July 22 2010 14:10 Subversion wrote:
I'd just like to make an appeal here for protection tonight.


Good idea, lets make obvious suicide bomber target even more tempting!
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 22:09 GMT
#1420
On July 22 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
You know, I have a question and I think this should be public information. My sources tell me that tree.hugger has been spreading misinformation to at least 3 different people via PM and instructing them to vote for certain people. However, I do not believe he's scum.

Tree.hugger, stop PMing others and post it here for everyone to see. Don't just say 'vote for this person' and 'vote for that person', tell them who you're suspicious of and ask them who they're suspicious of. Do not go around giving orders. It also seems as if you're targeting newer players (although I'm not sure about this).


I'm bringing this post back up.

Youngminii, can you clarify something?

According to you, tree hugger is going around deliberately spreading misinformation (an euphemism for "lies"), but you don't think he's red? What do you think he is then? Since when is spreading misinformation a town-sided behavior?

Tree hugger has also replied, but he didn't even acknowledge this above post.

You also seem to know much more than you're letting on here. I wouldn't be surprised if you know the names of a) whoever tree hugger is PMing, and b) whoever he is telling these people to vote for.

Finally, given the necessity of this info to have spread to you via PM (unless you're psychic) it is a bit ironic for you to go and tell someone to "stop PMing others."
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 22:44 GMT
#1421
ebwop: i mean, if i knew as much as this as you did, i'd be strongly suspecting tree.hugger of being mafia right now. but you don't suspect him. why?
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 23:00 GMT
#1422
Also, some collected important info:

+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +

Hyperbola (6)
Divinek
Pandain
SiNiquity
bumatlarge
Brownbear
Subversion

Youngminii (5)
XeliN
Amber[Light]
Roffles
Infundibulum
Jayme

Abstain (6)
LaXerCannon
tricode
SouthRawrea
chaoser
protactinium
zeks

DTA (3)
d3_crescentia
Pyrrhuloxia
tree.hugger

ketomai (2)
citi.zen
lakrismamma

Amber[Light] (1)
DTA

BloodyCobbler (2)
OpZ
Foolishness
LaXerCannon (1)
Misder

Citi.zen (1)
rastaban

SiNiquity (1)
Hyperbola

Pandain (1)
BloodyCobbler

Infundibulum (1)
youngminii


+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 votes] +

DTA (10)
Pyrrhuloxia
XeliN
zeks
Subversion
LaXerCannon
rastaban
OpZ
Protactinium
chaoser
Pandain

chaoser (8)
youngminii
Roffles
SouthRawrea
misder
citi.zen
BrownBear
Divinek
SiNiquity

Subversion (7)
tree.hugger
bumatlarge
jayme
Amber[Light]
Infundibulum
DTA
d3_crescentia

Amber[Light] (1)
Bloody Cobbler

Abstain (2)
lakrismamma
tricode



People who overlapped on Hyperbola and DTA lynch votes:
Pandain
Subversion

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Hyperbola's "Death Post"
On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote:
Guys, really?
Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy:

People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy:

Brown Bear

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 06:29 BrownBear wrote:
Ahhhh shti!

I am back, sorry. Is it too late to avoid modkill?

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote:
###Vote: Hyperbola

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2010 06:31 BrownBear wrote:
Whew, looks like I got back in time. Sorry about that. Time to go read the thread.

Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread?

youngminii

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On July 18 2010 21:01 youngminii wrote:
Actually, I'm not going to overlook it. Why would you place a vote on me 'just in case'? Especially after you heard BC say I was a strong player (which citi.zen evidently disagrees with)? You have these two guys criticising my post when it's not even serious, you jump on this bandwagon and then put a placeholder vote on me just in case?

Does this not strike you as scummy at all? Overly scummy but scummy nonetheless? In fact, I think this is the scummiest post I have seen all game (not that long). However, I don't think you're really that bad at this game and even a mediocre scum wouldn't do that kind of mistake. Will need confirmation on other more experienced TL mafia players on your meta.


You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue.

You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town).

SiNiquity

I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum

at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat).

Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you.

This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me.

LaXerCannon

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 09:30 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
If we randomly pick someone, we have a better chance of getting a blue then a red. Why don't we try voting for who we think is red? It's not like the game will automatically get easier for us as it goes on, since there aren't any clues. Also, at this point everyone's votes are spread out so we are nearly guaranteed an innocent lynch. Getting everyone to agree to vote for the random could be awfully tough.

IF we wanted to do the random thing, we could tie it in advance to something numerical in one or both of the playoff games tonight. Like number of factories made by WeMade players, or that number divided by two, or taking the number of letters in each winning player's ID and looping back to 1 if it goes over 30. It wouldn't be random, but we could independently agree on it, and none of us could influence it in advance. We don't know the distribution of red/blue/green in the list so it is almost as good as random unless the reds get us to agree on a bad number (like maybe they get us to agree on something times 2, which would never land on the first person on the list).


We can take this step further by listing inactives in reverse order and numbering them from 1-X, use a number we obtain from the second paragraph and count through the list, looping when needed.

I'm getting carried away here...

I think lynching an inactive player is the best course of action.

I also think we should get a list of players who are new to this mafia game so we know who they are. A new player who's scum can easily hide under that mask; I think it's best we can monitor them from the get go.

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 09:33 LaXerCannon wrote:
##Abstain in case I can't find it within myself to wake up early tomorrow to post (no other time >_>)

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 11:38 LaXerCannon wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 10:13 SiNiquity wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:59 youngminii wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:51 Bill Murray wrote:
EVERYONE abstaining? I guess it'd no lynch. Didn't expect that to happen!

Okay so everyone should abstain imo. If you have any objections to this idea, please raise it asap because we need everyone to switch their vote to abstaining. Even one vote = lynch and that will be very suspicious of the person who left their vote by 'accident'.

##Unvote Pyrr
##Vote Abstain

I'm not sure I like it. The inactives will get modkilled, no one gets lynched, the mafia kills 2 more people, and then we're back at square one, no?


On July 18 2010 10:16 Jayme wrote:
No-Lynch?

Oh hell no absolutely not.

I don't understand how a no-lynch is beneficial to the town if you're going to kill an inactive anyway. You learn absolutely nothing from it, you don't even have a CHANCE at hitting a red, and you're basically wasting a whole day on nothing.

No lynch is a terrible idea.

If we lynch someone on the first day without any good reason there's a solid chance (12/15) that we'll hit a townie. That's 80%. There's also a better chance of lynching a blue than there is of scum. A no lynch is a gift that we should utilize instead of RVS.


Bad idea, there's no incentive for town to post -> silent town = dead town

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 16:13 LaXerCannon wrote:
playoffs are done for today! my next post will be in....around 16-18 hours.

First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much.

-------------------------------------------------------
this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die

sorry about trying to have fun guys :/

j/k

~peace



+ Show Spoiler [DTA's "Death Post"] +

On July 22 2010 12:14 DarthThienAn wrote:
chaoser, I don't mind dying. Prefer not to, but it's all good if I do.

People to look out for when I flip green: Pyrr. Subversion (still got it out for him). youngminii. tree.hugger who fed me the connection between Sub and youngminii. And if those two are guilty then check out Pandain and citi.zen too.

People who haven't been posting that I remember:
d3
zeks
Jayme
Laxer
Amber (maybe?)

I forget who else and can't be bothered to check right now.

LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 22 2010 23:06 GMT
#1423
On July 23 2010 02:51 Tricode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 02:48 Pandain wrote:
On July 23 2010 02:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Subversion was supposed to be lynched. His connections, the people who were supporting him and going against him, were much greater than DTA. Then you have to consider the Chaoser bandwagon from out of left field that caused a huge change in the vote counts.


Shh... you're getting to close to my involveement n.n.

But I really think one of our plans for day 2 should at least be getting the really inactive people I pointed out to talk more *Cough*Tricode*Cough*.
Anyone else agree?


Me. I agree. Kill that douche bag bastard. Please do so.


Keep this up and you're a great target for Day 3 lynch.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 23 2010 02:00 GMT
#1450
On July 23 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote:
He didn't tell anyone different things if my assumptions are correct. He said something like "we lynch subversion and we've got youngminii, we lynch DTA and we've got nothing"
Which is such a fucking stupid argument, might I add, and spreading this misinformation via PMs being a horrible way to play.


Are you going to answer my questions above?
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