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im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm
but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far
even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die
so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what?
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then again maybe darth has been being much less than useful on the very idea that it'd gain us nothing to lynch him lol, thus we wouldnt, but i consider this a minor point at this stage
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On July 22 2010 10:39 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: voting ends in 22 minutes.
On July 22 2010 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: day ends in 2 hours and 49 minutes and around 14 seconds... er make that 48 minutes and 40 seconds... you get the drift
at 10:10 he said +2:49 thus it ends at 1:00 according to BM unlses he lied to us
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yeah lets just blame the host for the confusion and all be happy back to discussion
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On July 22 2010 10:58 Subversion wrote: DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting.
If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you.
But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen.
Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice.
I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post.
Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch.
yes, WE SHOULD VOTE FUCKING AMBER, if any of you dudes would be man enough to switch.
this is of course going to be hard to do cuz 3 of the votes are people trying to save their lives, but it'd only take all of them moving plus what 1 or 2 more?
if you really do want to hit a red vote amber, but between the 3 right now i am so unsure
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On July 22 2010 11:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote: im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm
but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far
even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die
so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what? I just wanna say this is really weird. Why doesn't he just switch?
i only want to do it if it's necessary, i really want to lynch amber
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On July 22 2010 11:03 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote:On July 22 2010 10:58 Subversion wrote: DTA, if I'm honest, I don't like any of this voting.
If I had to bet money on it, I'd say not one of the 3 major candidates is mafia, including you.
But you're good at this game, and you may just be fooling me. If I'm truthful, I wish we could all change to another target. But that's not going to happen.
Since I KNOW I'm not mafia and am useful to town, and thats all I really can know 100%, I think you're a better choice.
I thought the post on you was a good one, although your defense has since led me to believe that you're probably town. The reference to your past character is not from my knowledge, this is my 1st game, but its from that post.
Bottom line is, no I don't think you're mafia. But I don't know that for sure, and thus I know you're a better lynch than me, since I'm a really bad person to lynch. yes, WE SHOULD VOTE FUCKING AMBER, if any of you dudes would be man enough to switch. this is of course going to be hard to do cuz 3 of the votes are people trying to save their lives, but it'd only take all of them moving plus what 1 or 2 more? if you really do want to hit a red vote amber, but between the 3 right now i am so unsure I think we should focus on amber tomorrow maybe, today seems more like a tossup between Subversion and Chaoser and DTA.
yeah sadly i agree
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On July 22 2010 11:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Continued from last post: And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird.
it's more a lesser of two evils, this could easily be town on town dung flinging
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On July 22 2010 11:08 SouthRawrea wrote:WIFOM= Wine in front of me Not sure how to explain it but it basically is the situation where you're thinking this could be a green or a blue hiding himself as a green to not get killed or a green hiding himself as a blue hiding himself as a green to protect the blues or a blue hiding himself as a green as a blue as a green.. etc
it's a logical circle where you can never come to a definitive conclusion.
I guess the clearest example is
well i know mr X posts alot when he's red, but maybe he knows that i know, but maybe he also knows that i know that he knows that i know etc, and you can just level yourself into infinity
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On July 22 2010 11:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote:On July 22 2010 11:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Continued from last post: And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird. it's more a lesser of two evils, this could easily be town on town dung flinging Well I get it now, you're hot to trot on Amber[Light]. Can someone explain the case against Amber? I'd look it up myself but we've past 50 pages now so we can't open all the pages at once anymore.
ill just throw the part of BC's post directed at amber
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On July 19 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: ###vote youngminii if I have to trust someone I trust xelin. I'm going to follow his decisions till the end of the day at least.
Sorry got to the game early so I read some posts :D
This post intrigues me, a lot. HE is blind trusting someone to follow for voting, which makes the third vote of a bandwagon that formed in the last 17 hours of the day, all 3 voting with in a page of eachother. Super odd to be formed a) so late and b) with next to no real debate.
On July 20 2010 22:15 Amber[LighT] wrote: Why is it that all of a sudden d3 claims he was protected and BrownBear becomes the official 'active' townie with all of this great insight.
Up until about 12 hours ago (last time I checked the thread) he was nowhere to be found, and now that 1 person gave him something to run with, he's invaded about 2/3's of the last 2 pages with nonsense analysis about d3. What's even worse is that he wants our "other" veteran to roleclaim.
ATTN OTHER VETERAN: DO NOT ROLECLAIM!!!!
The goal of the veteran, as stated numerous times, is to be the meatshield. His vote is only worth 1, regardless of how long he is left in the game. His job is to soak damage up from night kills. By outing our veterans, we are pretty much giving the mafia enough information to say "don't hit these players." I'm against that plan completely, and I'm against BrownBear.
Hopefully the DT's are working their magic from last night and getting in contact with the players they checked. The DT role is pretty black/white and very strong in this game, so we need to keep those guys alive. The DT's should form their own circles and use the players they checked as voice-boxes. The players who have been checked should, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, reveal to any other player who the DT is unless they are verified. The only way the DT circles should combine is if AND ONLY IF by chance a DT checks another DT. Please be smart about this guys.
I'm sticking with the opinion of the previous night to lynch the most useless player:
##Vote: BrownBear
I'll consider changing my vote if some of the more 'influential players' have a better suggestion.
This vote is a completely different style, levels out with what he said the day before of not having time, here he obviously did as it’s a moderately informed vote. HOWEVER he later does this
On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: Unvote BrownBear ##Vote: Subversion
Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.
Here shows that rather than being certain of his choices, he going bandwagon to bandwagon. Subversion has had far to many people jump on him for being a bad player when the kid is new. And now another player, who should know better based on experience, is jumping at him. Seriously fishy imo. Very little activity overall and hoping onto bandwagons is all hes really doing.
Amber seems to vote for whichever wagon at the time is attracting the most people, hopping onto Youngminii near its beginning, then proceeding to jump on BB when it was in its prime, now hes hopped over to subversion. This is insanely odd to me.
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lol fuck i butchered that thing but im sure you can seperate it
how could preview fail me
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On July 22 2010 11:22 ~OpZ~ wrote: There seems to be enough of us online to change votes. I'm fine with BC or Tree.Hugger dying. BC's too deadly, and Tree.Hugger...well...He defended Darth in a bull shit no information and false information way, and jumped on Subversion with shitty logic. That is all.
AND he PM'd me, which is a no no. I only want PM's when I'm checked and saved.
last minute wagons are both fun and whacky, though they can be harded to draw conclusions from if we're wong
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8] DarthThienAn (~opz~, d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban) 6] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], chaoser, DarthThienAn) 7] chaoser (SiNiquity, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear) 1] Brownbear (tricode, ) 2] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divinek) Abstain: (, Protactinium, Infundibulum,Pandain, lakrismamma)
been a few pages since an update this is how it stands im pretty pretty sure
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On July 22 2010 11:39 chaoser wrote: I don't like how this situation is playing out...the votes are so close, Mafia should be able to save their own if they wanted to if one of their own was in trouble. But they're not. What does this mean...
we're all trying to lynch townies and they're laughing at us, or they think if one of their own dies it'll draw enough attention off of them that it's worth it?
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On July 22 2010 11:50 DarthThienAn wrote: When I die, lynch Pyrr plz.
Vote double lynch
pff die no way brah
##unvote ##vote chaoser
oh shit im scum saving my scum buddy
the power is with you my son
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On July 22 2010 13:58 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 13:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 22 2010 13:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On July 22 2010 13:28 citi.zen wrote: Perhaps don't play "like chez" next time, eh? Not as easy (or fun) as it may seem! funny how you and d3 pop out of the woodwork as soon as the night post comes up and bumatlarge And what woodwork would I have come out of? I was satisfied with my vote on subversion and explained why, and I wasn't against darth or chaoser being lynched either, not one over the other, so really I had no reason to post and waited for night. Its a shame darth was green, as his posts are now just random vanilla towny actions with barely rhyme or reason, but we have a good number of votes to analyze now, so that should lead to alot of posting I'll need to catch up on tomorrow. Hopefully night will give us even more. I would protect subversion tonight as he's either blue or red, even though mafia might pass over him based off day 2. Hope I get shot tonight >:D
it became quite clear over time that darth was town, i even thought my vote might save him in the end but it did not. Doesnt mean i was entirely convinced either of the other two were red but they were alot more likely
god damn you mafia you're behind this!
At least we know for sure there was like 1-2 mafia voting for him if a whopping 10 people were on his wagon. I would assume it may be better to look at the people who didnt have that great of a reason to vote for him rather than the people that made decent arguments for it.
or maybe we got really fucked and no reds voted for him but that seems highly unlikely as quite possibly one of their own was at risk, and they just threw a vote on darth early and then never talked/changed it
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you know i feel bad for the people like bc that are gonna have to sift through all this shit tomorrow. I hope bc starts posting more i dont like how quiet he is being
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but you realize we dont know you're not changing anything 
so use preview, think about it for a second etc etc
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On July 23 2010 10:35 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 10:11 citi.zen wrote:On July 23 2010 04:36 chaoser wrote: read it for yourself and come up to your own conclusions, I'm not your mom. I'm not even done yet. But if you want, I'll write up a HUGE BIG PIECE OF ANALYSIS LATER if you want ok? Thanks Still waiting eagerly! OK! Cause I follow your every whim and beck: When the voting first started, it was just BB and Subversion who were on the chopping block, and they had a decent amount of votes on them too. But then all of a sudden it all shifted off BB and onto me and Darth, Subversion just stayed. From there, the voting trend seems to continue on just me and DTA, with the two of us topping the charts while Subversion is on the top of the list for a mere 7 minutes before slowly dropping to 6 and then back up to 8. I'm not saying he's mafia since he claimed blue but the patterns of voting are definitely suspicious. Maybe it was just random chance, I don't know. But I think out of the four of us, BB, DTA, me, and Subversion, someone is mafia. Either that or we've been fucking ourselves and mafia is just laughing in the background. If it's the latter we need to look at a few people that pushed for the four of us to be on that vote Pandain for starting mine (sorry, I don't really think you're red but it's gotta get brought up =[, Divinek for jumping votes FOUR times (BB->me->amber->me), prry for DTA, and tree.hugger for PMing different people different things on how to vote, apparently he did this. I know I got a PM from him, I don't know about other people but that's very suspicious if he did and told everyone different things.
well my vote jump went something like this
i voted bb as soon as it was day cause he was being a little shitter and i don rike dat.
then i voted you cause i figured you were our best lynch candidate and had perhaps the most against you of anything presented so far. But as you people started to defend yourselves it became clear to me we were definitely in danger of lynching a townie since the votes were so even it wouldnt take much for the mob to sway the votes, and there really wasnt too strong of a case on any of you. So i voted for amber as i truely believed him to deserve my vote at that point
Then my last vote switch back to you was only to try and save darth because i knew with fairly good certainty he was town, even if he was being a dumb townie, at this point while i was still unsure of you other two.
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On July 23 2010 10:56 zeks wrote: I'm trying to contribute as much as I can and I have been reading. If you have any questions for me Pandain feel free to ask me I'll answer them as best I can.
I'm not just gonna post whatever pops up in my mind for like 2 seconds give me some time to absorb all this information. For every one good post I have to sort out 4 irrelevant ones.
For the record tree.hugger never PMed me. Perhaps I'm so quiet he thought I had limited influence over town. Seems like he picked select people to try to change the voting...maybe he's DT and Subversion flipped red? Just a random thought
the thing is it's hard to ask question when you havent posted much ya know, unless we are directly asking your opinion of certain things that happened which is tedious to ask each person specifically things like that
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