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On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote:Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting  youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this. ##Vote DarthThienAn
"youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather"
Ironic, no?
On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote:
i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim
if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately.
if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of:
mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles.
regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above.
##Vote DarthThienAn
You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray.
Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious.
Great reason to vote for me. And my normal character is mafia, am I right?
Why don't you try voting for someone who's actually suspicious of being mafia, or someone whose play has been crap this game so far for no reason (BrownBear).
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On July 21 2010 05:17 bumatlarge wrote:Maybe if you and BB switched places Id believe you. Time to switch into the darth I know buddy While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD
You'll find him. Again, I'll say that I have said more than half the people - maybe a third now - in this game. Is it so wrong that I choose to have some fun in between?
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##Vote: Subversion
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Subversion's posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2010 18:20 Subversion wrote:Hey guys, sorry for inactivity, been at the Boryeong Mud Festival! Gonna try catch up On July 18 2010 18:27 Subversion wrote:
Cool, been looking over everything. Some interesting stuff happening for the first day. Gonna go over it a little more carefully before casting my vote. Want to see how some people defend themselves, and don't really just want to jump on a voting bandwagon.
Also, abstaining is kind of stupid. Will vote later tonight.
All of this is useless except for the bolded sentence.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote:
##Vote: Hyperbola
Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now.
Jumps on the bandwagon despite what he said in his 2nd post...
...lol
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead.
Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes.Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote.
Bolded: I don't fully understand the first sentence. The second sentence has been discussed.
The rest: He was PART of that voting bloc LOL. I guess that's why he's trying to suggest that he's a townie. The chance of a mafia being there.. it's all pretty obvious. 6/30 players are mafia, a group of 6 or 7? Sure, there's probably 1 or 2 mafia in there.
On July 21 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote:On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:
Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate.
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia.
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Tomorrow midnight. So Thursday, Jul 22 4:01am GMT (GMT+00:00).
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On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler +If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself.
There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out.
Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection.
What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all.
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On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler +If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all. I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes." I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.
No huge red flag, but it's better than BB and myself. ^_^.
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I really hope you guys aren't lynching me -_-. This is a filler post since I just woke up and there's three hours left. Replying to Pyrr's big post now.
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##Vote: chaoser
Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched?
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Since the last post had really poor formatting and I can't edit.
Pyrr's post
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So my computer overheated and my reply got deleted. >> Normally it gets saved, but too much turning on and off I guess. So I'm going to write a shorter version.
First off, anyone who thinks all of the words in that post are Pyrr's is sadly mistaken. Half of it has been said before - hence his calling it a "story." I'm looking at you Subversion.
Main points:
My playstyle: Yeah, my playstyle is different. What's the big deal? Most of you are basing this on flamewheel's last game anyway. How can you define someone's playstyle by one game, just because I was mafia mayor? Not to mention that BrownBear's account of that game is wrong. I didn't overstep on the last day. We were already done that night, when onihunter had been lynched, and bumatlarge was going to be checked that night and we had no way to stop it. We COULD have tried to persuade the town that DCLXVI was full of crap but none of us were really up to it, or at least, I know I wasn't. Playing mafia in a thirty player newbie game and being as active as I was is way too tiring. But anyway, I like how no one ever brings up my play in Caller's game where I was last townie, or any other game. Plus, "Chezinu-style" (not that I'm even doing that) is not necessarily scummy. Look at TMMM - he and BM were town but still spammed. so maybe it doesn't help the town, but that's exactly the argument that Ace, YellowInk, and I used to get him lynched while we were mafia.
Wifom: a lot of the arguments against me are wifom. I'm sure you know that. But for those who don't, here are examples of wifom: "Darth is mafia because he claimed mafia and he's using double reverse psychology." "Darth is mafia because mafia hit Foolishness and not him." "Darth is mafia because mafia would think that he is blue and thus hit him." etc. etc. If anyone needs an explanation, ask for it, but hopefully, those of you currently voting for me will see it.
Scattered Voting: Who was it that said a bandwagon doesn't have be started by a vote, just posting? It's pretty much the same thing. Most of my votes have been for fun. You'll notice that people like d3 get to slip by with voting, posting, and leaving, but me? Nah I get called out and bandwagoned.
Day 1 I'm pretty sure I went something like abstain > d3 > d3 > amber. I don't recall abstaining a second time. And Amber was a legitimate vote. d3 was not (semi-placeholder). I'm sure since you've analyzed me so carefully, you'll see this.
Divinek vote was purely lols. BrownBear is for obvious reasons - did you see his veteran plan? Add that to his day 1 behavior and he makes a pretty good early vote for today. When I switched to Subversion, did I really make a sarcastic joke? I remember being pretty serious around there, and I definitely explained myself. It basically came down to BB, I'd like to watch for another day, vs. Subversion who wasn't even defending himself/posting at that time. Of course he comes in later and cries townie and everyone leaves him alone.
My crazy voting is in no way an indication of my role. Stop trying to make it what it isn't. Again, why would I attract attention by doing that, when those "bandwagon" attempts didn't even get a SECOND vote?
Down to your main points and Foolishness:
Explain to me how I dodged Foolishness by turning it back on him? I made several posts that included logical reasons explaining myself, and as an AFTER THOUGHT, I called him out on it as well. He was calling me out for not contributing when I was contributing as much as he was - is it illogical for me to call him out on that? If someone's going to call me out for contribution, I prefer it be someone who has actually contributed.
1) Where do I ever defend myself without logic? As a whole, of course, not ONE post in a conversation.
2) Uh, I'm pretty sure I offered a lot more than that one post where I counterattacked Foolishness. And I've explained this.
3) Who are you all to tell me how to play? I'm still helping the town, aren't I? If my way of having fun is posting silly stuff in between, then what's wrong with that?
4) This is a point? Plus, if I was really mafia spamming, I'd make my spam posts much longer and make them appear to have content to waste more of the town's time, rather than posting things that most people dismiss.
5) This is a point, too? Vote changing != mafia. Most of votes up til now have been jokes anyway.
6) Completely wifom. You know this, so why include it?
7) Thanks.
8) Not when my computer time has decreased to ... 10% of what it used to be. I've been on vacation since halfway through Godfather Mafia. Several of you should know this (maybe not you Pyrr, but still). Hence, less from me.
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BM, based on this and my vote being the only one since, shouldn't it be 8 6 5 or something like that? I don't even know XD (that's chaoser, me, Subversion)
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@citi.zen: Just trying to stay alive, based on the vote count. Talk to me citi.zen, I haven't read any of the posts between Pyrr's big post and the last page.
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Anyone wanna take a leap of faith in me and not lynch me by voting for either Subversion or chaoser? ^_^
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On July 22 2010 07:35 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 02:22 BrownBear wrote:
DarthThienAn is playing this game as though he were Chezinu... which is not the way DarthThienAn plays at all. I think Pyrrhuloxia (why does everyone in this game have impossible to spell names) has the best explanation, and says things I was thinking on my own - Darth is playing as though he were Village Idiot, and for some reason that's given him Teflon armor against suspicion for the most part - there have been scattered people saying "Hey, wait a minute" but nobody's really listening, everyone is obsessed over Chaoser/Subversion/me.
As far as those 3...
I know I am green, but you guys are going to have to decide whether you believe me or not. Subversion's "mistake" isn't even a mistake at all, and you guys all jumped in and tried to create something out of it - not really the direction town should be going in. Chaoser I still find slightly suspicious, but he's been pretty willing to post and to defend himself - as long as he clarifies a few of his contradictions, I'd be okay with not lynching him. He might be a good target for rolecheck tonight, though. I dunno.
For now,
##Unvote Abstain
##Vote: DarthThienAn
Because he is the most suspicious, I think abstaining should only be used as a placeholder, and we're running out of time in this day. Plus, his death will give us at least some information, which is still better than the next-to-no information we would get from lynching subversion, chaoser, or me. BB has pretty much convinced me he is town and I agree with his sentiments here, Darth’s play style just doesn’t make sense. Why play like this when you can actually benefit the town The crazy voting doesn’t make sense either, and all the actions so far have been at best neutral, with very little if any pro-town actions. The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content. It is easy to camouflage your mafia playstyle when you change everything so it is harder to find clues in how you play. Also we know vote analysis is critical but we have Darth stating “Most of my votes have been for fun.” I am not positive on this call but I think he is a far better candidate than Chaoser who has had better arguments in his defense, and at this point in time it is too late for any other votes to have much of an impact. ##Unvote Abstain
##Vote: DarthThienAn
"day ends in under 5 1/2 hours"
How is that too late?
How does my play style not make sense? If you look at all of my posts collectively, you'll realize that I have actually said a decent amount. Nothing compared of my previous games, but contrast it to Subversion, who hardly said anything until like 18 hours ago. I don't even know what the deal with chaoser is, but Day 1, he was one of those last minute voters, iirc., and Day 2, he mostly made lists, which help the town by organizing information, but does not actually offer any insight. Nothing against him though, since I haven't read the recent posts.
Think of it this way: do any of those actions "make sense" if I'm mafia? Why would I attract attention to myself so unnecessarily, and then not defend myself if I'm actually lurking? "The defense of I was just being silly doesn’t work either, because they still need content." I did have content. Has anyone bothered to look through my posts? And I personally don't use vote analysis too heavily -> most of my votes have been for fun. My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games.
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On July 22 2010 06:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:@youngminii, formatting his posts into spoilers + Show Spoiler +Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay] I analyzed that his idea to maximize deaths was weird, that he was either sarcastically being evil, or just advocating that we lynch for info rather than finding info to decide a lynch, which I find to be backwards. Also in there, I compare his play to past games, which is more analysis than just information. And I pointed out that nearly all of his posts were clowning around, which is unhelpful. There's plenty of other analysis in there, the line between information and analysis is gray area anyway but I clearly crossed it. + Show Spoiler +So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now). Well, he obviously has switched things up, and good players tend to base their opinion about whether something works on whether they can win with it. + Show Spoiler +Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking? Well I was wrong about Foolishness, but you can contrast the fact that only I and maybe DTA seemed suspicious of him while DTA has been ringing alarm bells for many more people. I'm not "saying just because DTA is taking a low profile he's scum". In fact, you're clearly twisting my words at this point to defend DTA, because I specifically rebutted that claim in the but, but, but... section. + Show Spoiler +Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth. Totality of the circumstances. None of us have the absolute truth, so we have to find the players with the sketchiest correlations. For me, that's DTA, rather than BB or Sub. The case versus Chaoser strikes me as better than BB and Sub, but not DTA. + Show Spoiler +That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player. 1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes. 2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting. 3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them. 4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already. 5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list. 6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts. 7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this. 8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same. So, yeah, it's not complete bullshit. That list is not even 1/8 bullshit. + Show Spoiler +But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game. You don't get to say that you don't mind if he dies and then get credibility from defending him. I can't imagine why you'd give such a wishy-washy conclusion unless you are worried he might turn red and make you look bad.
My day 1 plan is not weird at all. I just phrased it funny. If you are against the no-lynch plan, then you are FOR my plan. lynching a modkill is the same as a no-lynch. That's the short version anyway. So why are we trying to NOT use our only town KP (other than blue roles)? I'm saying we lynched based on info to GET info, vs. lynching someone who would be "lynched" anyway.
Also, why would I stick to a "crazy" plan when I could have dismissed it as a joke, like several people suggested?
I never said I was a good player. Everyone assumes I'm a good player because of the one game where I played Mafia Mayor. citi.zen knows how bad I am because he was the only decent player on the mafia team (sorry bumatlarge). But let's assume I'm good. If I'm mafia, why would I purposely attract attention to myself? Why would I not just post normally, and play maybe a little differently than before? Instead I'm playing the same on one end, and exactly opposite on the other end. Just because my playstyle has been a little different, this does not mean that I am mafia or not mafia. It just means that my playstyle has been a little different. And if you really look, it's pretty much the same when I'm serious. I'm just being not serious a lot more often. Bottom line: this is not a valid reason for or against anything about me, so stop trying to use it.
I didn't think Foolishness was mafia o.o. I just didn't like the fact that he was gunning for me.
1. I pointed out numerous times when DTA responded to criticism with jokes.
2. The biggest exception is when he responded to Foolishness. But in that post he lumped together Foolishness's posts under the heading of "useless like mine" [not direct quote] when Foolishness was honestly trying to discuss the implications of the voting.
3. He's apparently finally going to respond to this stuff now that his life is on the line, but up till now Day 2 he has been content to pick out the worst arguments against him and joke about them.
4. As for "not contributing anything new and useful" he has frequently admitted as such. His post about Sub was maybe useful, but said four times already.
5. His vote changing certainly isn't bullshit, just check the list.
6. He has pretended to be mafia or suggested he might be in at least three posts.
7. I think that sums up his behavior this game until his post that finally responds to all this.
8. I haven't played with him, but have looked over previous games containing him and players in this game who've played with him before have felt the same.
1. I only responded to criticism with jokes when it was criticism about my jokes.
2. Are you referring to this post? I'm not saying he's at fault for doing that, I'm saying he's at fault for doing only that. Alone, that is just his interpretation of one of the above posts but whoever was doing the vote summaries.
3. What arguments against me? Until the recent pages, there haven't been all that many if I recall correctly. If there were any that were REALLY worth replying to seriously, I would have already done so.
4. If it was said four times, then why didn't the person asking for clarification already understand it?
5. It's a bull reason to lynch me, though. My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia.
6. so?
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On July 22 2010 07:44 Pandain wrote:
Also, since as of now theres basically a 3 way tie between Darth, Subversion, And Chaoser, what happens if theres a tie. Do they all get lynched? None of them?
whoever has the most votes first gets lynched.
On July 22 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 07:17 DarthThienAn wrote:
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##Vote: chaoser
Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched? Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 07:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games.
Doesn't really help that statement :/
Simple logic for ANY role. I don't want to die -_-.
? I'm addressing my vote-changing that everyone seems to be dying over. My current vote is for obvious reasons.
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On July 22 2010 07:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote:On July 22 2010 07:17 DarthThienAn wrote:
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##Vote: chaoser
Someone, quick summary of what chaoser is being lynched? Why would you vote for Chaoser if you didn't even know what he was being lynched for ? :o On July 22 2010 07:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
My last vote is always serious though. I've said this and done this in previous games.
Doesn't really help that statement :/ Well he has to vote for Chaoser to save himself, anyone would do that. --- Everyone's last vote is serious, the problem with voting like DTA is that we can't know in advance that it's his last vote. We can't ever get too suspicious about his voting patterns because he can be joking. And if his joke vote causes a bandwagon onto someone, he can just keep it there and say he was serious all along. And if someone investigates afterward, they'll focus on the people arguing for the lynch not the guy who is just joking around. Unless someone points out what's going on and how it makes the towns life harder; then he'll have to start acting more normal like he has.
Day ends -> last vote is obvious isn't it?
My joke vote never caused a bandwagon on someone because I never provided any reasoning because there was none because it was a joke. I assume that everyone here is older than 6 years old and does not blindly follow the leader (although some of you come close to it).
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Actually, I remember now that my vote on BrownBear was a half-joke, because someone said something like "whoever votes for BB is scum" so I voted for BB.
Anyway, it's pretty obvious which votes of mine are serious and which of them are not serious. I'll go through and explain them in my next post.
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BM, I demand an accurate voting list so that I may vote accurately to save myself
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 17 2010 11:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
Abstain from voting placeholder On July 17 2010 12:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
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##Vote: d3_crescentia Funnier placeholder because I know him. + Show Spoiler +On July 17 2010 12:04 d3_crescentia wrote:oh so is that how it goes ##Vote: DarthThienAn He's joking around, he must be mafia guys. On July 17 2010 12:09 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 12:04 d3_crescentia wrote:On July 17 2010 12:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
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##Vote: d3_crescentia oh so is that how it goes ##Vote: DarthThienAn Oh yeah? well unvote
##Vote: d3_crescentia Does this sound serious to you? + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2010 05:10 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 04:53 tree.hugger wrote:On July 19 2010 04:30 youngminii wrote:
fail Essentially. Voting lists are one of the best ways to catch mafia. They spread out across them in predictable patterns, and once you catch one mafia, you can gain a ton of information by looking at the voting lists. It's much better than post analysis, which is always touch and go. If you give people an out by establishing an abstain bandwagon, then you're just handcuffing the town. And you may still be convinced that your strategy is the right one, but it's obviously not going to happen, and it's time you dropped the issue, so the town can move on. Wasting space, and distracting people from the task at hand is counter productive for obvious reasons. On July 19 2010 03:37 youngminii wrote:
It looks like it's a toss up between hyperbola(5), DTA(3), and myself(4).
On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote:
I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative.
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##vote ketomai That's a fourth alternative. Also, for everyone's reference, this is a vote moved from Subversion. So we have Hyperbola (5) Darth (3) youngminii (4) Ketomai (2) I believe BrownBear, Subversion, and Ketomai have not yet voted. *** At this point, I think people who have not voted for one of these four people (and in particular, the first three) should reconsider their votes, and select one of these players to lynch. Optimally we'll have three lists, and everyone on one of those lists, which should make mafia spotting a little easier. Again, I'd like to push a lynch on Darth. He's smart, and he knows he's not under the cosh yet. Hyperbola and youngminii have tried to defend themselves, but Darth hasn't lifted a finger, which I think it smart. If you're winning, leave well enough alone. But I'd like to punish him for it, and I encourage others to join. If ketomai hasn't posted, why are we lynching him? He's going to get modkilled anyway. I don't get on as much these days, since I've been on vacation. The last 8+ pages or so, I wasn't present for, need to catch up on the last two later still. Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 00:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:
##vote: abstain.
Haven't read the thread and won't ve able to
Until later Switch him out for Amber[Light] imo. unvote
##Vote: Amber[LighT]If you disagree with my plan, let me explain my train of thought. People are going to get modkilled. We want to get rid of mafia. Modkills are going to kill those people anyway, therefore we should lynch someone who would not be modkilled. There are plenty of people who are being unhelpful. I am an example of it - look through to find more people like me. I don't have time to find people like that, but again, d3 is an example. Misder might be an example iirc. Chaoser would be an example. Therefore, we lynch one of those kinds of people, and help the town out by not being worried about it later (is this person mafia lurking or just inactive?) etc etc. A serious post -> a serious vote. Not too hard to follow is it? On July 20 2010 13:59 DarthThienAn wrote:
##Vote: Divinek Reason (this post is right before mine): On July 20 2010 13:59 Divinek wrote:
oh since it's day then
##vote brown bear
this has already thus been thoroughly justified and i hope i need not repeat myself in this post No explanation -> joke. On July 20 2010 14:34 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 14:30 Pandain wrote:On July 20 2010 14:25 BrownBear wrote:
Sweet, everyone thinks I'm red. Just a couple things:
Roffles - your reason for saying I should be a target is because I haven't helped town at all. If I start contributing, by your logic you will no longer be gunning for me, correct?
Actually, same question goes to everyone. My plan is to be more active today and contribute. If that's going to stop people from starting a bandwagon on me, that's all well and good. If everyone is dead set on lynching me, though, then 2 things: I'm not even going to bother, and you all seriously need to reevaluate your playstyles. Unless everyone lynchinig you is the mob! + Show Spoiler + In that case, unvote
##Vote: BrownBear "Unless everyone lynchinig you is the mob!" joke. On July 21 2010 05:30 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 05:17 bumatlarge wrote:Maybe if you and BB switched places Id believe you. Time to switch into the darth I know buddy While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD You'll find him. Again, I'll say that I have said more than half the people - maybe a third now - in this game. Is it so wrong that I choose to have some fun in between? unvote
##Vote: Subversion On July 21 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote:On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:
Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:Subversion's posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 18 2010 18:20 Subversion wrote:Hey guys, sorry for inactivity, been at the Boryeong Mud Festival! Gonna try catch up On July 18 2010 18:27 Subversion wrote:
Cool, been looking over everything. Some interesting stuff happening for the first day. Gonna go over it a little more carefully before casting my vote. Want to see how some people defend themselves, and don't really just want to jump on a voting bandwagon.
Also, abstaining is kind of stupid. Will vote later tonight. All of this is useless except for the bolded sentence. + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote:
##Vote: Hyperbola
Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. Jumps on the bandwagon despite what he said in his 2nd post... ...lol + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead.
Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes.Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. Bolded: I don't fully understand the first sentence. The second sentence has been discussed. The rest: He was PART of that voting bloc LOL. I guess that's why he's trying to suggest that he's a townie. The chance of a mafia being there.. it's all pretty obvious. 6/30 players are mafia, a group of 6 or 7? Sure, there's probably 1 or 2 mafia in there. Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote:On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote:On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:
Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. I explained because Pandain was sooooo confused. And that was a serious vote. Explanation -> serious vote, although most of my thinking about Subversion happened out of thread. That brings up to chaoser, which is obvious. Cool?
Bottom line: I think it was fairly clear when I was serious and when I wasn't serious. So your complaints about my vote changing doesn't really give a reason why I should be lynched..
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On July 22 2010 08:04 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 07:46 DarthThienAn wrote:1. I only responded to criticism with jokes when it was criticism about my jokes. 2. Are you referring to this post? I'm not saying he's at fault for doing that, I'm saying he's at fault for doing only that. Alone, that is just his interpretation of one of the above posts but whoever was doing the vote summaries. 3. What arguments against me? Until the recent pages, there haven't been all that many if I recall correctly. If there were any that were REALLY worth replying to seriously, I would have already done so. 4. If it was said four times, then why didn't the person asking for clarification already understand it? 5. It's a bull reason to lynch me, though. My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia. 6. so? 1. You responded to votes against you by zeks and bumatlarge with jokes aimed at their weakest /joking arguments when it wasn't all about that. 2. The point is that he was putting in honest effort to help town and discuss catching mafia. Which is the opposite of how you've been playing for most the game.3 3. The arguments by myself and misder that you've finally gotten around to acknowledging. 4. Your post wasn't addressed to anyone that I could tell. Echoing it again, doesn't hurt I guess, unless the echo chamber is drowning out more productive things. 5. "My voting changing says nothing about my suspicions about who's mafia and who's not mafia." That's a great reason to lynch you. If your voting doesn't match up with your suspicions, and you don't explain why you're voting, you are throwing around confusion sparks everywhere. Just because some of them don't catch fire doesn't make it any less dangerous or more helpful.
1. Hmm. I'll go find zeks's post. bumatlarge didn't really have a reason did he? If we're thinking of the same post. He was just like, "you're playing different" which isn't really a good reason.
2. "Most of the game." Yet, I up to where I was last caught up, I still said more than 30% of the people in this game. Is that a bad thing? Maybe I'll just say as much as the least person does next time.
3. Misder's argument wasn't really an argument. It was a breakdown of Foolishness's posts, and then a vote for me, either based on the wifomness of Foolishness getting hit, or nothing.
4. Didn't I quote it? And wasn't it right above that post? See my last post where I go through my votes to see.
5. I said my vote CHANGING doesn't. Again, when I vote seriously, then I vote seriously. And I've already posted why it should be obvious what's a joke and what's not.
Now that I think of it - d3 is a great target for a hit isn't he? He is a prime example of someone "laying low." Mafia took their chances at him being blue, and either got outsmarted by the medic(s) or hit a veteran.
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