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On August 02 2010 14:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 14:15 BrownBear wrote:On August 02 2010 13:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 02 2010 13:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 02 2010 13:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 02 2010 13:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 02 2010 08:19 Divinek wrote:
I think an interesting thing for people to go back an analyze with their own sets of logic
is at the point where BB suggests for the vets to claim, with the idea in mind that the GF himself was using a vet cover.
i think this should clear BB, or im hoping the mob didnt read into it deeply enough to try a move like that, but more so the people that opposed the idea of vets claiming who are still alive. You can obviously see BC opposing this idea (even though it is a reasonable idea to oppose, it is extra pertinent for the mob as this is their GF's cover)
and i couldnt see a mob member so strongly pushing for this idea if he knew his own GF had this role, or at least i hope not
i dont think there is much to be had out from this early idea than taking a clearer look at bb's alignment but it is always helpful to narrow down that list
it's around page 36 for you lazy dudes
also a fun person to put under the spotlight will be pyrr!
never been in danger of dying yet...for good reason or not?
No....BC would of PUSHED for Vets to claim. Because he would of been DT checked as Vet...And he would be the one more likely to be DT checked...Lol Well BC would have had to try to fight against the plan and have his plan fail, otherwise the suspicion that he was GF would be too high Wifom, so just my opinion. If BC had done that, I'd be suspicious because I know BC but that's how I would assume BC would handle that plan / situtation. I was responding to you. And for knowing BC so well, you seemed to of failed at catching him as GF. Analyze me Pyrr. I don't have THAT many posts. So please, do something benificial to the town. I'd really prefer you do BrownBear, seeing as you think he's town aligned. Him or Chaoser. Well was BB checked by a DT or not? I saw he posted himself as "confirmed townie" but maybe he just meant from his point of view he is a confirmed townie. It was from my point of view, to the best of my knowledge I have not been DT checked. Opz... I know, I've played like crap this game. Sorry  Unless your the other Veteran, my vote is between you and Pyrr.
I am not a vet. I am green.
If you vote for me because of this, so be it. I'm not going to lie about my role to save myself.
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I don't see the pyrr/me connection. When did that happen?
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What the fuck is going on.
I disappeared due to working 16 hours straight today.
I was in Pandain's town circle, such that it were (he told me results of DT checks, but not who DT was).
Stop freaking out.
BM... seriously, what the fuck. Two things:
1) You modkill chaoser, you become officially the worst host ever
2) POST YOUR GODDAMN DEATH POSTS ON TIME
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Almost 8 hours late, and BrownBear is going to bed. I have to wake up early tomorrow.
This is not the way a game should be hosted.
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On August 03 2010 23:44 chaoser wrote:
so...what's the situation?
I believe you were lynched. BM has to get back and confirm though.
Speaking of BM getting back, what the fuck. He's officially almost 18 hours late.
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I'm guessing this evening. He got some 'splaining to do 
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On August 04 2010 08:18 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 07:41 BrownBear wrote:I'm guessing this evening. He got some 'splaining to do He doesn't need to explain anything, really. Just back off and let him run his game. If he makes the post tonight let's just keep playing without whining since getting on his nerves is not gonna make anything better. If the game doesn't go the way any of us want, there will be new games soon.
Dude, I was joking. Relax.
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On August 04 2010 16:55 Bill Murray wrote:
bm being up for 36 hours (and playing texas holdem for 19 of them) isn't bm
Just say who died and what role they are. You can do that, right?
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Town's fucked. Holy shit mafia pulled it off. We fail...
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##Vote: rastaban
It's LYLO, and he seems the most likely to me to be red. At this point, I have to assume the BC-claiming-to-him thing was a mafia mindgame.
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I voted fast for these reasons:
1) abstaining is stupid at this point in the game
2) I work 2/3 of the day so may not be back in time to vote in the future
3) I sincerely believe you are red
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On August 05 2010 05:48 d3_crescentia wrote:
don't have any thoughts on this situation, really - like honestly who cares anymore?
4 of us are town; 2 of us are confirmed, 3 of us are scum
that's pretty good odds to me - we just have to figure out which two aren't scum out of 5
based on what looks reasonable to have I think we'd have Pyrr Misder and Brownbear all red for a team of BC/Pyrr/Brownbear/Xelin/Misder/SouthRawrea based on some mysterious instinct
##vote: BrownBear
Lynch me and town loses. Plain and simple.
You and Divinek are confirmed, I know my role, that leaves Misder/Pyrr/Protact/rastaban. The problem is, we have to be right all 3 times in a row.
I think rasta is definitely red, I think Misder is possibly red, and I don't know about Pyrr/Protact. We shall see.
But don't lynch me. You have, at best, random circumstantial evidence and "he's been playing like crap this game" evidence. That does not equal scum. Rastaban, by comparison, has some decently solid evidence, Misder has been lurking all game, and... well, I still don't know about Pyrr/Protact, lol.
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On August 05 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:19 BrownBear wrote:On August 05 2010 05:48 d3_crescentia wrote:
don't have any thoughts on this situation, really - like honestly who cares anymore?
4 of us are town; 2 of us are confirmed, 3 of us are scum
that's pretty good odds to me - we just have to figure out which two aren't scum out of 5
based on what looks reasonable to have I think we'd have Pyrr Misder and Brownbear all red for a team of BC/Pyrr/Brownbear/Xelin/Misder/SouthRawrea based on some mysterious instinct
##vote: BrownBear Lynch me and town loses. Plain and simple. You and Divinek are confirmed, I know my role, that leaves Misder/Pyrr/Protact/rastaban. The problem is, we have to be right all 3 times in a row. I think rasta is definitely red, I think Misder is possibly red, and I don't know about Pyrr/Protact. We shall see. But don't lynch me. You have, at best, random circumstantial evidence and "he's been playing like crap this game" evidence. That does not equal scum. Rastaban, by comparison, has some decently solid evidence, Misder has been lurking all game, and... well, I still don't know about Pyrr/Protact, lol. best post ever
lolololol. To be fair, I started writing that right after d3 posted, and then got distracted for a while.
d3... you are so fail.
Postgame thoughts tonight. Not happy with myself and with others.
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Also, let it be known that THIS is why you do not do magic majority lynch the instant majority is reached.
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On August 05 2010 06:27 Pandain wrote:
Four major events that saved mafia:
1.Inflitration of DT Subversion
2.The Xelin Attack
3.Sexy blue sniping
4.Medic protecting BC(hehe)
I will be touching on all 4 of these in my writeup, lol.
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So wish I could have been mafia this game.
Not trying to pretend I played particularly well (I didn't), but god, some of the things town did were so freakin' dumb.
I still <3 you all though.
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On August 05 2010 07:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:12 BrownBear wrote:
So wish I could have been mafia this game.
Not trying to pretend I played particularly well (I didn't), but god, some of the things town did were so freakin' dumb.
I still <3 you all though. Haha, you were fun to argue with since for whatever reason you always wanted my nuts to burn in a fire.
haha, it was mostly meta + you pissed me off. When you first shouted down the roleclaim idea, I got pissed, then I sat and thought "wait, if BC were town he'd be smart enough to know this is a great townie move, thus he must be mafia."
Was bad at communicating it to other people, though. I can usually be persuasive, but I'm nothing compared to you ^^
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On August 05 2010 07:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:On August 05 2010 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:
Majority Lynch voting rules: If your Scum team has very persuasive players or the Town has impulsive voters this will favor you a lot. It makes the game move faster than a deadline enforced lynch and faster games favor you. The less time the town has to decide on important issues and talk the better for your team. You can force mistakes faster and if the Town isn't good at going back to piece together posts the blame for the lynch might miss you. Even better if a townie "caused the lynch" (more on this later) you get to point it out and have some fun.
Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^. Much obliged. As i told everyone in thread I would do it regardless of role. Thankfully infundi, chaoser and tree.hugger also saw issues and helped me win the day. No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen. Albeit maybe I should've given it -.- Honestly youngminii was under suspicion by you and subversion for being the gf. Following your own guts was prob the smart move there. It was actually beneficial to town to off citizen there as it gave more information, confirmed he had been lying, etc...
Exactly, I thought young was GF for a good long time. I thought BC was regular mafia, and South was maybe suicide bomber given how much he got defended.
Got 2 of 3 alignments right, 0 of 3 roles. Ahh well.
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Let's just discuss the game and not start a dramabomb, guys.
So my gut instinct for who was originally mafia:
BC (after day 2)
chaoser (wrong)
Pyrrholuxia (didnt have much to go on other than weird voting patterns and sketchy behavior, but apparently that was enough lol)
tree.hugger (wrong)
SouthRawrea (right)
rastaban (after the fakeclaim, but this was the one where I was like "well, maaaaaybe...")
Well... I had 4 of 6 down no trouble. The issues I have with my play were:
1) Failed Day 1. Like, seriously failed Day 1. Forgot the game was even going on, rushed in and voted to escape modkill, and... yeah, you see what happened. It put me in a position where I was forced to work while many people did not trust me/people were actively suspecting me.
2) Gave up on the roleclaim idea way too quickly. After BC shouted it down, I knew BC likely scum, but did not then follow up with my second idea (instead of vetclaim, mass townclaim). I thought that town opinion was too against me and BC was too loud for it to stand a chance of succeeding. Looking back, if we had mass roleclaimed day 2, mafia wouldn't have stood a chance in hell. We would have lost blues, yeah, but mafia would have been screwed. When you know exactly how many of each role is in a game, roleclaims are uberpowerful, and we never utilized this weapon until it was too late and it was just green vs. red.
3) Didn't communicate my suspicions clearly enough in the thread. I had this great list I was running, but I never posted it, and I never said "well, what about this?" The reasons are twofold: one, I am working 16 hours a day and don't really have the time to devote to mafia fully, and two, I was still scared of getting lynched. Even after I was (mostly) cleared by BC flipping red and Pandain not flipping red, I was still too timid. Gotta take more risks.
Well, that's how BrownBear failed. Now did BrownBear succeed at all?
1) Nailed 4 of 6 mafia just by reading the thread. That's gotta count for something, even if I didn't get these findings out to town fast enough/at all
2) Called Pandain being miller. I tend to play by gut instinct versus statistical probability. The reason is, mafia is very much not black and white. Divinek might think it is, but he's wrong Mafia is shades of grey, and if a very pro-town player I've had a PM relationship with since Day 2 might be miller, I'm more inclined to think he's miller over he's scum. The reason I do this is because my gut instincts tend to be correct. Not always, but they tend to be. Check it out: Pandain flipped Miller. Pyrrhuloxia ended up being scum in the end. BC was scum. chaoser wasn't, okay, but my gut instincts were mostly correct.
If you don't like the way I play, deal. I trust my brain way more than I trust some numbers on a piece of paper.
So in closing, Brownbear's game was a lot of fail with a side dish of mild success. I also survived almost to the end as well, so that's something!
I will post in a couple hours with thoughts on the rest of the game (other players, the setup), and the Bearies.
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On August 05 2010 07:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 06:46 Pandain wrote:
My faults this game: A reflective analysis
1.Too impulsive, made Subversion "doubt me" Also got me in sticky situations
2.Too trusting, trusted everyone in secret alliance =D. Especially proct, who I just thought was confused. Also too persuadable, as I was easily persuaded by mafia again and again.
3.Mis-guessed so many people for little "one liner mistakes". which is not enough to prove that you are mafia. Huge mistake, especially with Hyperbola.
4. Trusted people who made long posts, viewed them as "pro town"
Also add to this that I always defended the "lurkers" because they had said they had "real life problems" and i always believed them T_T
It's okay, it's a common first-game mistake. You're way too trusting, lol. Happens to everyone 
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