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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 06 2010 03:32 GMT
#1001
i started out coroner
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 06 2010 03:39 GMT
#1002
On July 06 2010 12:32 Divinek wrote:
i started out coroner


Thanks,that is interesting I wonder what if any other double roles we have....
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 06 2010 03:51 GMT
#1003
Prob alot of double roles.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 06 2010 04:23 GMT
#1004
Hopefully our roleblockers or jailkeepers choose wisely.

Jailkeepers - remember you have the option to cover one of the lovers or to just keep covering who you have been. I'd hate to see zeks take a hit because we were attempting to cover lovers. Honestly unless the other lover is blue as well, it's probably better to stay confident and keep jailing whomever you have already been jailing. It'd be awesome if you were already jailing the lover the mafia decided to hit, though, huh?

Blockers & DTs - Do what you do. Block who you think is red. DT who you think could be GF.

Coroners - do nothing. Divinek is popping tonight.

Divinek - Pop your coroner. And next game you get something like this, give more than two hours! I check this thread like 4x a day and it's still really easy to miss that kind of thing. Radfield and I had a discussion in another game about when is it too late to use votes as pressure and I was uncomfortable within the last 12 hours, Radfield was comfortable at about 4-6 hours as I recall. This is a good example of why it was a problem to wait to the last couple hours. I get that you didn't want to reveal until you had to, but you probably could have been pushing for at least some town solidarity one way or another since I had put Abenson under the microscope. If town was aligning on Abenson you could've then come out with your claim with plenty of time to spare.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
July 06 2010 04:35 GMT
#1005
nosnebA
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 06 2010 04:36 GMT
#1006
Just caught up. Wish I had been around to make the divinek/abenson swing vote a little less stressful, but looks like town pulled through. Since no lovers have contested divinek's claim, and we haven't seen anyone die as lovers yet, we can be confident that divinek/abenson are indeed lovers.

I find it interesting that bumatlarge/L did not reveal their roles upon death. We may have gotten lucky and struck scum with at least one of them.

Jailors, now that we have three prime targets for mafia, your actions are going to be very important. Remember that mafia have 1 or possibly 2 KP tonight, as well as a recruit "KP". Since I believe there are at least two of you out there (if there was only 1 jailor in the game, I feel like town would be absolutely screwed) my recommendation is to pick one of zeks/divinek/abenson randomly and jail them. This makes recruiting divinek/abenson or KP any of those three extremely risky for mafia.

Divinke, if you haven't already, use your ability asap, because if you get jailed before you use it it won't go through.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 06 2010 04:40 GMT
#1007
On July 06 2010 13:35 L wrote:
nosnebA


This means one of three things:

1) abenson was recruited, no way for divinek to know this
2) divinek was lying, they are both scum
3) L was scum and is trying to confuse our blue roles' night actions before coroner ability result is released.

I think 2) is very unlikely, because a true lover would have contested divinek's claim immediately to be sure he got lynched. 1) seems reasonably likely, as does 3). Luckily, we'll know once the coroner results are shown.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 06 2010 04:41 GMT
#1008
in case it's not obvious, blue roles, when you decide what to do tonight, pretend L did not post that because we'll find out how reliable that information is very soon and can make a lynch tomorrow based off of it.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
July 06 2010 04:44 GMT
#1009
Well there is no way that L could know that Abenson was mafia for sure since dt checks start tonight.
I can already see the ending
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 06 2010 05:00 GMT
#1010
As a town aligned player, I can only figure out one concrete reason L is fingering Abenson at the end of day 2. If L is a lover, assumes there's only one lover pair, and DTA did not kill the other lover because it was a modkill, he's calling Abenson/Divinek liars. I think it's more likely that L is stating that he's townie and doesn't believe that Abenson is town aligned. (If DarthThienAn would like to clarify whether a modkill would trigger lover kill he is welcome to do so.)

If L is scum, this just generates confusion. I think it's decently likely that L was the night 1 recruit. He had a plan that debilitated the town somewhat and a lot of people bought it. This doesn't clear zeks either, zeks could still be the traitor if L is scum.

I would say to the town essentially the same thing A5J had to say: Ignore L. Divinek is popping a coroner to provide evidence of his truthfulness. They may not get hit tonight, but since they're out in the open now they'll be ripe for mafia KP at any given time - nigh impossible to efficiently protect. Jailkeepers just use your best judgment. Blockers, don't hassle them. If coroner fails to pop we can block them the rest of the game.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
July 06 2010 05:02 GMT
#1011
Killing a lover due to modkill ain't cool.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 06 2010 05:14 GMT
#1012
yeah i have no idea if abenson is red or not, but i knew that i was blue and i didnt want us to lose a coroner two nights in a row! shame on town for almost killing two of us

at least this shows the mafias ability to stay under the radar! i popped my coroner like literally at 11 tl time so it damn well better go through
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 06 2010 05:38 GMT
#1013
oh and YI i didnt claim sooner cause i didnt know we were getting fucked so hard lol

i work 12 hour shifts plus the stuff i have to do before+after work before being able to check the computer so im away for atleast 14 hours at a time
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 06 2010 06:03 GMT
#1014
L's post-death FoS on Abenson is likely more his suspicions rather than any cold hard evidence.

Having a second Coroner is far far better than we could have ever dreamed. What might happen...

1: L or bum will pop red. If L pops red, Abenson is likely cleared for now + the lover story carries more weight. If bum pops red... that's cool :D
2: L or bum pop green/blue. If L pops blue we gotta take a better look at Abenson, because then he could actually know something we didnt. If bum pops green/blue... dammit. Bum did claim townie (after claiming godfather lolz), so we should check that.

If L pops lover (which could happen, DTA did say he wouldnt modkill lover pairs), or if nothing pops, we should block divinek and Abenson for the rest of the game. If we have 2 confirmed scum, we can shut mafia down indefinitely while we continue our GF witchhunt.

Jailkeep: Protect whichever one you think is more likely to get killed. Roleblockers, if you block them you are dumb, dumb dumb.

And tomorrow: I really do think mass roleclaim is a good idea. With the information we get from the coroner-pop (hopefully), we should be able to figure out at least who mafia is, so we can roleblock them, and if we're lucky we'll nail the GF on day 3. That would be kind of awesome.

To start the mass roleclaim (because I don't know how much time I have), I am TOWNIE.

SUNSFANNED
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 06 2010 06:08 GMT
#1015
(and yes, I realize the implications of claiming at night, I just am not sure when I'll be back on, and I don't want to miss the party. I'm pretty secure in roleclaiming green at night, because scum know im town anyways. The only danger is if they decide to go for the sure green kill rather than gamble and hope they nail a blue, and I think that would be a dumb strategy for scum, especially in this setup).
SUNSFANNED
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 06 2010 06:28 GMT
#1016
Mass roleclaim is a terrible terrible strategy for night 2/day 3! I don't understand how people can even be convinced that it's good.

Lategame mass roleclaim can be good because it gets all the information on the table for us to compile. If the scum try to fake claim, they have to provide information. If this ever conflicts with any other information, people get hung. It also creates a situation where the mafia have too many targets to deal with in a short amount of time.

Mass roleclaim this early gives us very little information (remember that DTs couldn't investigate night 1 - I wish people would read the rules and stop posting as if they have an investigation under their belts. Night 2 is way too late for BrownBear to be making an error like this. I see no way for mass roleclaim to even be worth considering until at least day 5 in this setup.

Considering it was Bill Murray that initiated the push for mass roleclaim, I could conceive of a scenario where BrownBear could be godfather, but I think it's pretty unlikely. I might give BrownBear a solid 10-15% chance to investigate though. May be a decent role block target, but not as good as Bill Murray, so I might block BB 15-30%.
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
July 06 2010 06:30 GMT
#1017
Just as a game theory addendum, any mafia game where mass roleclaim is the right play early on is either broken or deliberately (and obviously) designed for this to occur. This is clearly not the case.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 06 2010 06:40 GMT
#1018
It's cult style, and we're fucked in a day if we don't roleclaim and coordinate, but whatever
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 06 2010 06:42 GMT
#1019
if i was dt i would check ace/bc/yellowink tonight
hell, if you're dt, check me and confirm me for now too
if you're jailer, jail someone repetitively. i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer.
if you're a roleblocker, try roleblocking abenson to see if L was lying
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
July 06 2010 06:48 GMT
#1020
On July 06 2010 15:42 Bill Murray wrote:
if i was dt i would check ace/bc/yellowink tonight
hell, if you're dt, check me and confirm me for now too
if you're jailer, jail someone repetitively. i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer.
if you're a roleblocker, try roleblocking abenson to see if L was lying


do not role block abenson. we'll have a much better idea about abenson soon enough. I'd say roleblock BM or citi.zen.
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