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On June 27 2010 09:49 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 09:38 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 27 2010 08:49 DCLXVI wrote:
I want to see L and ace argue for another day. I would love to see them both be mafia, but I doubt it. putting my vote on 7 for now for inactivity. Bad reason, but w/e. To generate some discussion, what do we think of this? Either he's like me, and is just amused by the arguing/flaming at this point, or he actually hasn't formed an opinion yet...? At this point in the game, saying something is a bad reason "but w/e" is absolutely inexcusable. Also, team 7 has been mildly active recently (even if it's only defending themselves), so he's not only inexcusably using shitty logic while acknowledging it's shitty, he's also completely and utterly wrong. This seems to me just like a trash post to justify a fairly random vote, and to mask the fact that he hasn't read the thread and probably isn't going to.
Its probably not a trash or random vote. Its probably a way of taking an easier kill instead of drawing attention to mafia by pushing me and having me flip red. If T7 flips town, we're going to have a roller-coaster final 2 days.
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? Are you... saying the same thing Zyrre is saying? You're right, if you interpret it that way, it's not grounds for killing someone. When was someone killed on the grounds that they were the third voter on the bandwagon? BM's the one who tried to use it as an extra reason for lynching Team 7 (I believe) rather than his own team. And Ace was saying that it's not grounds for killing someone, because the idea isn't in the magical number 3, it's in mafia feeling safe voting as the Xth slot.
I'm not saying being third is grounds for killing someone. I'm saying that suggesting a Jeep tell isn't grounds for being killed. Which is what happened. Because of your partner. Because he said this type of argumentation was obviously a huge scumtell.
Clearly he was wrong.
Was it "MASSIVE"? Really? Was the largest train we've had this game, with 17 votes. At the time, the next strongest train was only 2/3rds as strong. That's a pretty large lead.
Without pushes toward either of those teams, mafia wouldn't have needed to start anything up. Explain this. In depth.
Specifically: Why do you know that mafia had to start something up? Who says T7-9 weren't also town? Couldn't they just have cruised to an easy town lynch either way? I think you just outted yourself hard, but we can deal with that tomorrow.
For the record, I didn't try to play it up? Yes you did. You started throwing shit at me on your first post during day 2. Go read it.
said that if you're town, you're wasting all of our times, but otherwise, you're scummy for, well, wasting all of our time when most of the argument is two guys bickering because they don't like each other. From my perspective anyway. So you said either I'm town and wasting time because you're obviously 100% legit or I'm mafia and wasting our time because you don't like the way the argument is going?
Do you not notice how devoid of content those statements are?
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DTA if you want to switch your vote off me to T9, I wouldn't mind doing that.
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On June 27 2010 10:41 YellowInk wrote:
Whoa whoa, sudden activity and serious interest in going after Team 9? Do we seriously have enough voting power to even consider it? Is it really that much better than Team 7?
L, if you are truly convinced that Ace is mafia, that means DTA is too. Swaying his vote to follow you to what might be mafia... all he has to do is say no if it's a mafia team and it's no dirt on him. If he goes with you and we hit a mafia team, does that clear both you and Ace?
I'll bite. If T9 is hung as mafia I think we have much more useful information than hanging T7 as mafia. They're both about the same as far as I'm concerned at the moment.
Well, no, it doesn't clear both of us. It'll be interesting if he refuses, then T9 flips red to a future lynch or DT check.
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Explaining in depth: assuming either of 7/9 are mafia, if neither of them is in the spotlight anymore, why do they need to do anything besides watch? There was very little discussion going on, Team 1 (main advocate for Team 9) was dead, and YI (main advocate for Team 7 imo) had backed off for the time. Actually, everyone had backed off - there were several comments that "Team 7 stepped it up, etc. etc."
The problem is that you can't just magically traipse in and say "assuming either of them are mafia they had to do nothing". If either team is mafia, there's quite a bit of importance regarding when it happens. You essentially replied under the guise that mafia had to do something, which they wouldn't unless one of the two pushed teams was mafia. Assuming that 7/9 aren't both mafia, it means that mafia's actions weren't even triggered by pushing 7/9, it was triggered by pushing one or the other of 7/9.
Prior to that point, a mafia team would have been doing their best to discredit other posters, which is pretty much what Ace's been doing the entire game, hence why I'm pretty sure that your team is the aggressive mafia in a 4/7 or 4/9 team.
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it atm. Sadly it seems impossible for you to get killed today so we'll have to settle for the second best option.
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Nah, no one will switch to me unless they want to promptly die the next day. If 7 isn't mafia, they have no incentive to switch. Maybe if 9 is as well, but we'd know almost immediately by the identity of the switcher.
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I changed my vote as well per my agreement to do so.
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On June 27 2010 10:58 DCLXVI wrote:
there goes the game for you guys. GLHF
If you're fo-real, next game post less trash.
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Offered your ally a chance to kill T9. He bit.
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On June 27 2010 11:49 Divinek wrote:
i think this will be the list now -1 more town team, probably the one with two people
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5.YellowInk
6.L
7.Nikon
8.BrownBear
Rofl, if that's the case, we might have lost enough votes for the game to be over unless we get a medic prot.
PRETTY SHIT TIMES UP IN HERE.
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On June 27 2010 11:53 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 11:30 L wrote:
Offered your ally a chance to kill T9. He bit. Meh. He must have really believed someone's argument then. I still peg you as their scum ally then. till don't like that agreement between you, YI, and DTA to swing vote.
Obv your team doing something sketch means that I'm the mafia member.
Ur gud at this Ace-kins. Sure hope T3 isn't mafia or we lose T_T.
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Yeah, depending on who's hit this night, we might be mathematically dead.
That we aren't already dead is also a piece of information.
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If mafia control the lynch numerically, it doesn't fucking matter how many teams are left.
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I really expect to die tonight, so I'll say this; When looking at who mafia might be tomorrow, make sure to look at impossible scenarios which would already have resulted in their win. A 3+4 team, for instance, cannot exist because they'd have won already.
Keep that in mind, because the total vote counts are very likely to be important. There are certain night hits that automatically reveal who the other team is, so they might not move to destroy the maximum amount of votes. I personally think they'll hit a 3 or 4 player team unless they can auto-win by hitting the six vote team.
Anyways, best of luck town. Guarantee we shoulda bonked Ace yesterday.
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I can't make up my mind because I still think you're scum?
Dang. You're an idiot.
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On June 28 2010 09:53 LaXerCannon wrote:
I don't think they they'll hit us or team 4 because that would make it a lot more obvious on who's mafia or not (assuming town is still alive after losing one of team 3,4).
I forgot a don't, but yeah. If they kill certain teams they automatically lose the game.
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On June 28 2010 10:03 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 09:54 L wrote:
I can't make up my mind because I still think you're scum?
Dang. You're an idiot. didnt you just post some crap yesterday about T7 or Team 8 saving Team 9 in the previous day's wagon? Or was that just to get votes off of yourself which would of course be totally understandable.
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure who your partner team is, but don't worry, I've got a pretty good idea.
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To be rather frank, I'm pretty sure letting their team control 2 lynches and having both of them come up town is pretty conclusive that they're mafia.
I'd rather have this shit said now than get offed and let Ace cruise off the back of a terrible town to victory.
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On June 28 2010 10:57 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 10:50 L wrote:
To be rather frank, I'm pretty sure letting their team control 2 lynches and having both of them come up town is pretty conclusive that they're mafia.
I'd rather have this shit said now than get offed and let Ace cruise off the back of a terrible town to victory. If you really think Ace is mafia, you should know that him offing you is really dumb.
Why? Because he knows I'm going to push for his death tomorrow regardless?
He can simply point to your post here and go "LOL OBV WASNT ME, IM NOT THAT OBVIOUS". With another team and his teammate supporting him, it literally takes a single town member to fuck up and bam; his team wins. If 2 town members fuck up, lol awesome, now his passive mafia team gets to hide and not go on the vote record in a bad spot for the second Lylo we'll have after T4's demise.
Either way, he's in a decent position because a buncha chowderheads decided not to read the thread during day 2 and let him off the hook.
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