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On June 24 2010 01:17 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. i think bm is correct on this one and third votes on a team/person is a legitimate theory for finding scum
no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it.
Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense.
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On June 24 2010 01:19 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 01:17 johnnyspazz wrote:Your latest "third vote on a team" masterpiece is just more grasping at straws. i think bm is correct on this one and third votes on a team/person is a legitimate theory for finding scum hey, i will be the first to admit i'm not the world's best at scum-hunting, but we have Ace and L here to help us do that. Only problem is Ace's radar must be off if he is honestly thinking I am scum. He must be misreading my improvement as a player negatively I guess.
Don't worry, I think L is just as scummy as you are.
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On June 24 2010 01:31 Bill Murray wrote:
ace i wish you would pick someone who was actually scum this game so we can have an easy win as town ... you going for me is pointless, trust me this once bro
calm down. Like I said I think L is just as scummy as you are. I just refuse to vote for Team 7 because I don't think them being inactive = them being scum. Your team and Ls team just come off as better candidates for a lynch so far.
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Oh trust me I've considered it. While I pegged you as scummy, and chezinu as doing his brain dead act - L has been causing confusion, pointing tons of fingers while Caller has been pretty much lurking. I'm really close to switching my vote trust me.
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I think you're the only one that read bum/lax as scummy. What did they do that was so bad anyway? They aren't inactive and they haven't really thrown around many FOSs.
Also hanging BM/Chez and them not flipping red gives you more information how? Be specific because everyone uses that line. Killing people for the sake of information is one of the scummiest arguments we've seen on this forum (looking at you L).
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Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum.
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@YI: No it doesn't. That logic does not hold up. Bm/Chez flipping red/green don't have any basis on bum/laxer flipping red/green. There is nothing to compare between the 2 teams.
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On June 24 2010 07:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 06:56 Ace wrote:
Radfield I don't know how you can go after team 9 when BM/Chez have played more scummy than they have. Yea they aren't posting a lot but the BM/Chez are posting garbage. Lack of effort doesn't mean someone is scummy. Playing like scum usually means the person really is scum. Well, lets set BM and Chez aside for the moment. I agree that they've posted a lot of spam, but I think both have tried to contribute more this game then in the games I've played with them when they were mafia. That doesn't mean much though, but I can't help it if I get a bit of a townie vibe from them. Of course I agree with your last two sentences. I am interested to hear your opinion of Team 9 though. Pretend BM and Chez are already dead. Am I off base on thinking they are scum? Are other people scumdars going off when they read their post history?
I actually get clueless newbie vibes from Team 9. In fact they are like a clone of Team 7 just less aggressive when confronted so far. I think they really are just not going to post a lot until at he point of damn near inevitable lynch.
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So no one else has a problem with blatant vote manipulation plans?
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It's empty statements like that that make me keep my vote on you.
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BM stop using terms you do not understand. Seriously, just stop.
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Ok if anyone has any fucking sense about what RVS is, and the dumb "3rd voter on a wagon is scum" theory then read Bill Murray's latest posts. Forget bum/laxer - we've got some straight up ridiculous logic right in front of us.
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I haven't even pushed a single policy lynch this game. Why are you making stuff up? Find an instance of me calling for a policy lynch. I dare you.
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I haven't demanded anyone to play a certain way. Once again you are lying about my play this game. My vote on you stays.
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this much vote switching = an innocent is getting killed. No way actual townies have any reason to switch around votes if their minds are already made up.
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I don't see what the big deal is. She explicitly stated she was going to vote for Chez/BM so they couldn't save themselves - obviously at that point she made up her mind.
Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be scum because of the vote switch then you should ask yourself why didn't they vote for the other teams that were also in hot water. I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. I said it like 4 times but the only person even close to their scum level is L.
Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. If he did then he should have voted/persuaded others ages before the deadline. I don't know what he was waiting for but it's just as ridiculous to blame someone for another person's death while said person has the chance to save themselves.
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On June 25 2010 03:48 L wrote:Show nested quote +Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No.
Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play.
Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant.
The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading.
Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either.
If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched.
Show nested quote +I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs.
I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because?
Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum.
Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works.
Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out?
Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were.
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On June 25 2010 04:32 Korynne wrote:
Also note that way more people voted for Chez/BM than for T9. I don't know if they just were voting with their team or not (me and Radfield said we'd vote together) but if not then that's a lot more people believing that BM/Chez are scum than believing T9 is scum.
I think really Radfield was the only one thinking T9 was scum (didn't check the thread to confirm) but most people were just like yo let's put some pressure on T9 since T7 started talking now.
Besides, everyone agrees that BM/Chez spam up the thread like no other. We've all been having real analysis and conversation for the last couple pages since they died, that helps out town in my books.
Don't worry that's Ls terrible style of play. If someone that everyone but himself thinks is scummy and playing badly when they flip innocent L will come in turning a blind eye to why the players were lynched and start pointing fingers at everyone. Like I said there's a reason he has a reputation of being a bad player.
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1.) I don't care if their standard play when they are town is to play like idiots. If you play badly and play scummy you get lynched - this is not a hard concept to understand.
2.) It wasn't going to tip. If it was going to tip then surely SOMEBODY would have voted to tip them right? You're trying to create a scenario that wasn't there. If you want to speak for Chez saying he could have saved himself then speak for him and explain to us why he didn't. You can't. Thanks.
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oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.
What? This doesn't even make sense. Who are these people that voted for other reasons than believe that T2 were mafia. If you truly believe those people then I'm asking you again what game are you playing. You also forget a vast majority doesn't decide the vote here. So that point is null. Once again you are spouting nonsense to make it seem as if T2 deserved to live despite their scummy play.
4.) Korynne's vote wasn't random - she explained what she was going to do WELL in advance of the deadline. Stop falsifying people's actions. It's not worth looking at because it didn't change anything. T2 had more than enough time - hours - to convince people they weren't scum. They failed. Chez also had a chance to use his vote right? He failed. Don't blame someone else for their death when they had all time in the world to save themselves.
Emotional reaction? where are you pulling this shit from? I never even implied that you said teams 7 and 9 are innocent. I specifically said you threw them out of the equation and pointed at the rest of us. How does that even compute?
I said I had a pre-game grudge against them? Did I use that as the basis for my vote or did I say BM was throwing around terms he saw on mafiascum.net incorrectly to justify his vote, threw around several accusations wily nilly, spammed the thread, switched votes several times in the day and had no clear idea on who he thought was guilty? Or how about when I said BM and Chez were playing badly by talking nonsense. Oh how about when I called him out for his "theory" on the 3rd voter on a wagon being scum and showed how it was wrong?
See once again you are blatantly lying about what's going on in the game. Now you even try to play the "your bad" card that no one will believe. So far I've caught you making shit up, misrepresenting myself and other players' positions on day 1 and trying to stave off T2s bad play as everyone else's fault.
Yup, my scumdar is beeping again.
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Bill your dead. Delete your posts and move on.
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