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Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 14 2010 22:42 GMT
#39
This sounds amazing, I'd love to play!
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 21 2010 12:29 GMT
#122
I'm all for the sponsoring candidates idea. So as it stands now, is YI the only person to be nominated? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with enough people's style to necessarily sponsor them, so I hope we get a good list going for that.

In terms of lyching, this game seems to indicate that there are a lot of powers flying around out there, so just lyching inactives right off the bat may accidently result in killing a helpful tool for us. We've got plenty of time until the election is over, and I agree with Radfield in that we should use this time to get a full discussion in.

And with that, I'm afraid I must be off to work for many hours, be back on later today!
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 21 2010 22:53 GMT
#148
So we've got 24 hours till election ends and so far we have 2 nominees for the mayor based on our sponsoring system. I've played with YellowInk in the last game, and for the most part I'd say he has a level head and a good gamesense. The other nominee, AmberLight, seems to be on the ball as well. As was noted before, Death Eaters will most likely try and push a nominee up for themselves, so we should also take not of who nominated these people.

AcrossFiveJulys (AFJ) nominated Amber, did so after AL posted some insight about mass roleclaiming.

johnnyspazz nominated YellowInk after seeing YI try to break the game.

If we do indeed find one of our nominees or infact the elected official to be scum, we now have a highly likely scenario of connecting the DE that nominated them. Any other nominations as of now? We've still got a day to decide and there are people yet to be heard from. Thoughts, opinions?
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 21 2010 23:05 GMT
#152
On June 22 2010 08:00 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2010 07:53 Thegilaboy wrote:
So we've got 24 hours till election ends and so far we have 2 nominees for the mayor based on our sponsoring system. I've played with YellowInk in the last game, and for the most part I'd say he has a level head and a good gamesense. The other nominee, AmberLight, seems to be on the ball as well. As was noted before, Death Eaters will most likely try and push a nominee up for themselves, so we should also take not of who nominated these people.

AcrossFiveJulys (AFJ) nominated Amber, did so after AL posted some insight about mass roleclaiming.

johnnyspazz nominated YellowInk after seeing YI try to break the game.

If we do indeed find one of our nominees or infact the elected official to be scum, we now have a highly likely scenario of connecting the DE that nominated them. Any other nominations as of now? We've still got a day to decide and there are people yet to be heard from. Thoughts, opinions?


who would you nominate


That's a good question. I think Amber has a pretty good grasp on things. YI was in the last game, and played an aggressive townie style that had me fooled, so I just don't have a good enough read on him to vote for him. So as of now I like AL's posting the most, with Radfield in a close second.

And oh yeah, forgot to list Hesmyrr in the nominees, sorry! He was nominated by Radfield by the way, amending my prior list.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 22 2010 02:07 GMT
#165
On June 22 2010 11:04 Subversion wrote:
Would it be of use though to roleclaim with names if we didn't know the associated powers though?


Might cause the Mafia to slip us as they would have to make up different identities that are good people in Harry Potter. Any inconsistencies or doubles would point towards suspicion.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 22 2010 04:48 GMT
#188
On June 22 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote:
Re roleclaiming: Bill Murray has stated that we cannot mass roleclaim. We may not name claim. + Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2010 05:09 Bill Murray wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2010 04:11 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +

YellowInk wrote:
You stated at the start that the list of roles was "neither limited by nor restricted to" the list given, though you put up precisely 20 town roles. Will you be giving the mafia a list of "safe" (non-contested) roles that they can claim? For balance sake will the actual list of town roles be sufficiently branched off from the posted list that roleclaiming outside the given list does not draw undue suspicion?

Bill Murray wrote:
1) I mean to say that if we get 20 people as opposed to 25 I will make it 16 vs 4

anything else?

My mafia experience is limited, but every game with a complete specific character list I have seen played (I've played in two) was a devastating victory for town. At some point in the game there is mass role claiming. Assuming all townies are truthful and mafia lying, that immediately brings the number of suspicious people down to #mafia x2. I'm not saying it's impossible to have a game like this balanced, but it takes a lot away from the game when, for instance here, there's only 10 people worth scouring for mafia and you effectively have 15 confirmed townies.

To offset this, when there are characters in a given game, one common solution is to give the mafia a 'safe list' of what they can role claim without worry of being contested. There's still the problem here where say a player claims Ron Weasly and goes uncontested, they are nearly a confirmed townie because that role was almost certainly included in the game design. A crafty mod could leave one or two of these out just for the mafia's benefit though. To follow through on this with what you've already posted as well as preserve some integrity of mafia role claims, you could just list 25 town aligned roles and have 5 that just don't get assigned to town (and given to mafia as their safe list).

I'm sure there are other ways to balance this as well. I just see complete uncontested character lists given at the start of game as a huge town advantage. Just my thoughts on the matter.



^ YellowInk


Show nested quote +
1. I am the mod. My word is law. I reserve the right to change any rules for game-breaking



I will not be accepting name claims to occur in this game unless I am sure it will be balanced or your role PM specifically states otherwise. You may spell claim, or claim whatever nonsense you want, but try not to break the game.

"Not Slytherin,eh?" said the small voice. "Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that--- no?



Actually I believe the rule change says that we can roleclaim, with the exception of masons

On June 21 2010 07:44 Bill Murray wrote:
To clear up some things:

i'll make a thread for mayoral voting
you may nameclaim or roleclaim just don't claim masons or I will modkill you
keep it clean, please


Whether or not it is a good idea remains in the air, but I do believe that this more recent post from BM states that we can roleclaim.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 22 2010 20:20 GMT
#240
Hey everyone, back from another fun day at work. I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for Radfield. The guy definitely seems to have a grasp on the game, and with all of the crazy spells and roles in this particular game, we need somebody like him to sort through the muck and the mire. Plus I support his notion of lynching the relatively inactive players, those just trying to skate by. And with that, I'm off for a bit of a bike ride.

Oh and about the whole red/blue spells, it would seem that town has to have some access to red spells, what with DT's and Vigs alone. Seems we would have a very difficult game ahead of us if we had our hands tied from using those at all.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 22 2010 22:32 GMT
#268
On June 23 2010 07:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:

Truthfully Abenson should be dead since he made no effort to justify his post. This would show us two other players' roles potentially (Radfield and thegilaboy).


And what role of mine would that show? I'm actually strongly considering changing my vote, after thinking about this whole double ticket sort of deal. YellowInk has a cleaner grasp it seems, and he is against the entire double running thing (like me). So yeah, going to be switching my vote now, but I was just curious as to what role you think that would reveal.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 22 2010 22:39 GMT
#270
On June 23 2010 07:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2010 07:32 Thegilaboy wrote:
On June 23 2010 07:24 Amber[LighT] wrote:

Truthfully Abenson should be dead since he made no effort to justify his post. This would show us two other players' roles potentially (Radfield and thegilaboy).


And what role of mine would that show? I'm actually strongly considering changing my vote, after thinking about this whole double ticket sort of deal. YellowInk has a cleaner grasp it seems, and he is against the entire double running thing (like me). So yeah, going to be switching my vote now, but I was just curious as to what role you think that would reveal.


Depends on what Abenson flipped. Red would have make you a candidate for an investigation, anything else would keep you safe for the moment.

If you're going to switch go for it. I don't really care who's the governor... the second they pardon we're going to be suspicious. Once you raise the red flags it's going to only stall mafia (potentially) for an extra day, so it's only as strong as the person who's behind the position makes it.

With that said the votes 4-4 between radfield and YI... if I move my vote then YI is the governor... any last suggestions?


Well Jugan just voted for Yellow, so I guess you don't have to switch if you don't want now
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 22 2010 22:55 GMT
#287
On June 23 2010 07:54 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2010 07:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On June 23 2010 07:42 zeks wrote:
On June 23 2010 07:40 Jugan wrote:
On June 22 2010 21:13 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Even if radfield is going to be inactive I can communicate with him regularly. If and when we need to pardon we will use him. I'm going out on a limb here to stress that I will probably be the best person for the position. I am also asking the detective to IMMEDIATELY check me.


How so? You're not supposed to PM outside of game.


Unless he is mason...

Anyways Jugan's vote and Gila's vote switch were after 6:30pm et so they're void.

...Bill might not of been so firm. Is their any reason you care so much?


Because its important to note that they voted after the deadline which may be a hint for future analysis.

I for one am wondering how lenient the rules are in the OP; this is the vaguest game I've played.


That's my bad. I went out on that bike ride and forgot that the voting ended a lot earlier than the last game I was in. Then when I was responding to Amber I missed the deadline by 2 minutes for my vote, my bad!
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 23 2010 20:11 GMT
#315
Oh fuck I died!? Well that's a shame, I was looking forward to this game...Oh well, good luck to the town, take them Death Eaters down a notch!
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 25 2010 00:50 GMT
#395
On June 25 2010 09:40 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2010 09:30 zeks wrote:
On June 25 2010 06:48 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On June 25 2010 06:37 zeks wrote:
On June 25 2010 03:27 Bill Murray wrote:
"He also speaks about BM not allowing name claiming (which he does now allow...or doesn't again?)"

I don't mind name claiming if you are not a mason


Hi guys, I don't see why we're not starting to do this right now?


because it gives death eaters an extremely easy way to hit blues, and is an even worse idea now that one of our doctors is dead. the benefit for the town is it might put death eaters into an awkward position having to choose names. Also note that masons will either be lying about their name or not claim at all and you have a messy situation to sort through for the town while death eaters are picking off blues! sounds like a wonderful idea to me.


Why do you think the death eaters will know who the blues are?

I would've never thought Charley Weasley would end up a green.

Although I admit Madame Pomfrey made sense being a medic.

If I'm not mistake a mason can confirm his status simply by PMing someone? And I think for the death eaters to choose names is way more dangerous than we think.

Well, the revealed players up till now have all made sense pretty much. You had Madame Pomfrey, the medic, Kingsley Shacklebolt, an auror. Only made sense he'd be able to kill, as you need to be able to defend against the Death Eaters, so it only made sense he was a Vig. If we name claim, and someone name claims say Harry Potter, well it only makes sense that he has a spell. Same with say Dumbledore, and other important characters.


Agreed. Some of the characters would be giveaways if you are well versed in your HP lore, and then some of them would not. As a whole now, I'm not sure a mass nameclaim is the best course of action, as we have lost 2 blues in a flash. Sure we could hope that the mafia slip up on an inconstancy or the even more unlikely double name claim, but at this point it doesn't seem worth it.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 25 2010 01:48 GMT
#400
On June 25 2010 10:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Okay after FINALLY getting power back after the fierce 20 minute thunderstorm (that uprooted half of the trees in my town lol) here we go.



Hey we had a wicked storm yesterday that uprooted trees and everything around here as well. You in the Chicago land area? Probably not but worth a shot to see lol

As for Ludwig, looks like the guy is going to get modkilled unfortunately. He seems so incredibly out of the loop that it's almost not worth looking at him anymore, like you said
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 25 2010 16:16 GMT
#424
I'm going to be throwing my vote down now while I've got a break from work. LakrisMamma had a horrible post

On June 25 2010 18:53 lakrismamma wrote:
Im off for the midsummer party. -sorry I didnt have time for post analysis.
Im back on Sunday hope you catch some scums by then!


The problem with this is he's predicting inactivity for himself, which is altogether bad for the town, and he'll be missing the vote. Voting tendencies of individuals is a big indicator/clue of their allegiance, and with him missing it entirely that's a big deal in my mind. Also, he could have thrown up his vote before posting that he will be leaving, just so that he will have performed his duty. And then of course inactivity is bad for the town and bad for the game. So the whole avoiding the voting process and going inactive make him a pretty good lynch target in my mind.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 25 2010 16:47 GMT
#432
On June 26 2010 01:31 johnnyspazz wrote:
why don't we just let him get modkilled and lynch a far more interesting target?
the likely hood of lakrismamma flipping red is slim to none in my opinion. obviously we can all point fingers at bad players and lynch them for the "benefit" of the town but he doesn't seem red to me. he just seems like an awful green. there's no way in hell people can point to him and say DEFINITE SCUM! i think the people pushing for his lynch are definitely sketchy to me.


I agree that we can't say definitely scum, and don't mean to be coming off as sketchy. I just grabbed a lunch break at work and wanted to make sure I got my vote in so that I didn't miss the deadline, which is possible if I waited until I got off.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 26 2010 00:42 GMT
#480
Woo, made it back from work and what not in time before the vote, giving me a chance to change my placeholder vote of LM. I see what people mean by it being a waste of a vote to go after the super inactives, as it will likely result in a townie flip. That being the case, it's best to go after individuals who are active in a sense, but either promote very little to the thread or who we can gain more information from their lose. Losing Abenson or LM would likely teach us nothing, but instead reinforce the idea that inactive townies can be a pain for the town as they drag lynching votes their way.

So that means I am going to switch out my placeholder since I made it in time. I'm leaning toward Elyas here. As I was writing this I refreshed the page and saw that JeeJee has gone apeshit with his posts, telling people to change their vote and not to vote for zeks, while claiming not to know anything about Zeks. That is just some crazy posting that seems to come out of left field. JeeJee is leading the crusade against Elyas, and while I don't support Elyas per se, JJ's actions seem a bit over the top. Either he is just trying to rally against Elyas because he wants us to kill a townie (if JJ is mafia), or JJ might know something we don't know. Would like to know that soon JJ, while there is still time to change the votes.

Also, Ludwig has contributed absolutely nothing to this thread whatsoever, please tell me he is either going to be modkilled or replaced.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 26 2010 00:55 GMT
#483
On June 26 2010 09:52 Radfield wrote:
I think the likely answer is that Jeejee and zeks can talk to each other. Most likely the Weasley twins. Or they are mafia.... but I doubt Jeejee would post so plainly if that was the case.


Seems so obvious if he is right? If it seems too good to be true and all that jazz perhaps
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 26 2010 01:00 GMT
#488
On June 26 2010 09:56 ElyAs wrote:
Okay, you know what ? I'm going to nameclaim and roleclaim.
I'm Moody Mad-eye, Auror.
I believe it's safe to do so because :
- If someone else claims Auror, You've got yourself a mafia, either me or him.
- If I'm not the Auror, the other auror should claim. Why ? Same reasons. If you lose the auror and kill a mafia, it's still good for you.
I'm almost sure I'm gonna die tonight now. If I don't, you should consider lynching me then. Don't take risks.

If that was too early, well you tried to target me, and I would have died anyways so...


The other Auror is dead, I was him and the Dayvig and was killed night 1, but I have replaced Subversion and am back. Just so you know.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131008&currentpage=16#312
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 26 2010 01:01 GMT
#490
Ah yes, misread, my mistake!
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
June 27 2010 13:59 GMT
#568
On June 27 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2010 21:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm in agreement with JeeJee already that Lakrismamma should indeed be lynched. If we get a majority on him fast enough, we have PLENTY of time to discuss AFTER we see if he is red or green/blue...



What post are you agreeing with here Opz? Where did Jeejee push for Lakrismamma?



Yeah did I miss something? I don't see a post with JeeJee pushing for LM specifically. Just posts saying that he has indeed found Nagini and that we still need to find a hidden horocrux.

Confused by this though:

On June 27 2010 22:27 Radfield wrote:
Alternate theory: You cannot communicate with Jeejee outside of the thread, which means you are mafia, because you KNOW that lakris is nagini, and just accidentally outed yourself. I presume this is not the case, but hopefully Jeejee can confirm.


Unless I'm completely missing a post by JeeJee, but I sure can't find it if I am.


Why would Opz push for Nagini's lynch if he is DE like your alternate theory states? I don't think I'm missing any strange rule here, but I'm pretty sure the DEs and Voldy want those horocruxes to stay alive.
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