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On July 03 2010 05:41 JeeJee wrote:
what i don't get is why they would kill hermione of all people
surely they would have been killing DTs unless we're on completely the wrong track and they're enjoying it
clearly we must AK one of our confirmed townies right now
any volunteers? They did this because they're playing a numbers game. I was highly unlikely to cover Jayme for various reasons. Had Jugan or Jayme spoken up before the lynch, things could have gone much differently.
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JeeJee, you didn't investigate johnnyspazz? Why did ~OpZ~ call him Ginny?
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Here's what we know:
(1) Short of some some obscenely game bending magic (eg the real Harry Potter was not permitted to role claim for any reason), Amber[Light] is Harry Potter by virtue of the claim.
(2) ~OpZ~ and JeeJee are either both death eater or both toan aligned. They outted nagini, a horcrux death eater, in the early game.
(3) Radfield can pardon and has access to investigatory powers.
(4) Korynne(Roffles) has claimed Aberforth for which Radfield vouched by cluecheck the following day.
(5) Thegilaboy(Subversion) has claimed to be Flitwick vouched for by JeeJee cluecheck.
(6) johnnyspazz was named Ginny by ~OpZ~, but in JeeJee's recent clue review did not include a check on johnnyspazz so I am unclear on this point
(7) I have been confirmed by all 3 investigators.
It is unclear whether (2) was intentional. If it was not, note that it was Radfield that called them out on it and brought it quickly to a head. This means there is a possibility that either ~OpZ~ or Radfield could be a death eater where the other's actions pressured them into communally slaying nagini.
If we assume there at least two death eaters left, this means either clue checks can be fooled or one among Radfield/~OpZ~ is death eater. If we assume clue checks can be fooled by precisely one among two death eaters, it means that someone who hasn't been clue checked is a death eater along with someone who may or may not have been clue checked.
People who have not been clue checked:
~OpZ~
JeeJee
johnnyspazz? (Please clarify this point)
Regardless, this puts us back to square one since it forces ~OpZ~/JeeJee to be death eater.
Therefore I suggest we lynch either ~OpZ~, JeeJee, or Radfield. So now I ask, is there any way any of you can provide evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that you are town aligned? ~OpZ~, what was the 'ultimate defense' you spoke of earlier?
If there are any flaws in the above logic or information, now is the time to poke holes.
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ebwop: Radfield has not been clue checked, though it doesn't affect the discussion.
If johnnyspazz has not been clue checked, team DE could be johnnyspazz plus any non mason if there are 2 DE left, or johnyspazz plus any 2 beyond if there are 3 DE left. The argument falls apart if johnnyspazz hasn't been clue checked. Need clarification.
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On July 03 2010 08:27 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2010 05:41 JeeJee wrote:
what i don't get is why they would kill hermione of all people
surely they would have been killing DTs unless we're on completely the wrong track and they're enjoying it
clearly we must AK one of our confirmed townies right now
any volunteers? radfield or korynne imo Why?
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On July 03 2010 08:44 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +(4) Korynne(Roffles) has claimed Aberforth for which Radfield vouched by cluecheck the following day. did he? can u quote me the post (i hate this lack of all-button)
On June 30 2010 08:40 Roffles wrote:
Apologies, just got back from work and dinner and was catching up on reading everything that I missed over the couple of days.
Since Jugan's not gonna claim any time soon, I'll skip him and reveal that I am Aberforth Dumbledore, owner of the Hogs Head Inn.
On July 02 2010 19:23 Radfield wrote:
Fear not YI, I investigated Roffles(Korynne) last night. This is what I got back: "You rage about your terrible childhood, but are calmed by fond memories of goats."
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On July 03 2010 10:09 johnnyspazz wrote:
so i know radfield got blocked night 1 by amberlight, what did he do night 2? He investigated me, but didn't know what was meant by it until day 3. And he was blocked on night 3.
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Just so it doesn't get lost in the muck (I know they're both not here right now, but will be back soon), I'm waiting on a reply from JeeJee/~OpZ~ regarding if they had checked johnnyspazz. I wouldn't mind having a full list of who they checked by day organized all nice and neatly either.
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I'm surprised no one has been furthering my earlier argument. I'm also surprised at how quiet it is. Today we should be lynching Radfield, johnnyspazz, or one among ~OpZ~/JeeJee.
I think we should not lynch johnnyspazz because we can have him investigated and put him in the same boat as everyone else who has been checked. The real question is if one of our investigators is lying.
There are good ways to proceed after either lynching Radfield or one among ~OpZ~/JeeJee. It's more a matter of who we think is more likely to be DE at this point. I could go either way on this, so lets hear more from the town.
Also, ~OpZ~/JeeJee, is there one among you that you would prefer that we hang to keep your greatest amount of power should the town decide to choose to hang you? You're either both DE or neither, so I would say that hanging either of you suits the town's purpose. I see no reason to take the choice away from you in the case that you're town.
Amber[Light], it may be worth using your special HWMNBN finding power on Radfield since if someone was put up for election, it would most likely be someone who might have godfather like powers. We don't get use of that power if you ever fail to live through the night.
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On July 04 2010 02:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Amber, do what you want, but you know I'm not a DE.
If this is truth, that decides it. We should lynch Radfield.
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On July 04 2010 02:32 ~OpZ~ wrote:
YellowInk...I'm voting to hang you if you put mine or JeeJee's name in with any words resembling Death again. People who make arguments like this are especially suspect. I don't blame Radfield, assuming he's town, for calling you a death eater. This choice is mostly up to Amber, though.
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Alright, so if jspazz is the lynch, Thegilaboy should investigate one among (JeeJee, ~OpZ~, Korynne), JeeJee should investigate Korynne(Roffles). If johnnyspazz flips red, we'll be lynching Radfield or Korynne on JeeJee's information the following day to win - unless clue checks can be fooled and the game will still be up in the air. If johnnyspazz flips town, then either Radfield/Korynne or ~OpZ~/JeeJee is the DE team and we act on Thegilaboy's information..
I can't find a way for Radfield's investigation to matter.
What do we think of this?
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On July 04 2010 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 03:13 YellowInk wrote:On July 04 2010 02:32 ~OpZ~ wrote:
YellowInk...I'm voting to hang you if you put mine or JeeJee's name in with any words resembling Death again. People who make arguments like this are especially suspect. I don't blame Radfield, assuming he's town, for calling you a death eater. This choice is mostly up to Amber, though. Actually the reverse is usually true of this, YInk. It's an emotional backlash, which isn't common of scum because the scum try to play more calm and cool. They try to not step on toes. I always play calm and cool. Since most people have probably been able to figure this out about me by now, anytime you see me 'lash' at anyone (which happens regardless of my alignment), it is a calculated effort. That you can choose to defend yourself in this fashion undermines the very emotion of the original outburst. Unless I am to underestimate your skill, my previous statement stands.
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On July 04 2010 05:40 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2010 03:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm down with spazz for pretty much the same reason....And the fact that he claims he has no role, in a game where so far I think everyone has had a role? then i guess BM just has a sick sense of humor... i have a even better suggestion, why don't you guys AK me so you can actually get a useful lynch This is actually a good idea if we have any AKs. If johnnyspazz is red, it's obviously a victory. If johnnyspazz is town, It would mean we'd be lynching either Radfield or ~OpZ~ but with johnnyspazz dead. We could then lynch Radfield. If town, we have enough votes left no matter who the DEs kill to put away ~OpZ~ and JeeJee. If Radfield is red, then we still have plenty of votes to mess up lynching between Korynne and Thegilaboy even assuming all clue checks got fooled. + Show Spoiler +Note that I didn't include myself in the final split because even with clue checks being foolable I'll still be able to prove myself town to ensure our victory - and when it comes to it you should obviously lynch me if I fail to do so.
Unfortunately, I don't think anyone has a way to daykill you. Since you probably believe the same, these words give you no credit.
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On July 04 2010 06:22 johnnyspazz wrote:
then have amberlight kill me at night?
if the town really wants to lynch me, i'll go ahead and vote for myself. I think this works. I will know who to cover based on Radfield's alignment. If town, I cover TGB. If red, I cover JeeJee. It works the same way.
One thing to keep in mind, we still havn't seen evidence of the Imperious Curse. I wonder if it failed to take hold, is buried under things that happened in the past or was otherwise rendered irrelevant... or if we still have to worry about it.
Thoughts on both of these points?
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This is why I said if not going for johnnyspazz we should be looking at Radfield or ~OpZ~/JeeJee. See above analysis. If you're looking at any other target, please counter the argument. I see no way for Thegilaboy to be a better lynch than johnnyspazz in any way shape or form.
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Right now I'm split. Radfield has had good arguments but hasn't weighed in all that often. ~OpZ~/JeeJee have provided a nagini kill, but the more ~OpZ~ talks, the more I think he's either scum or just really, really illogical.
Amber[Light], have you played with ~OpZ~ before? Is he typically this irrational or reckless? I'd be interested in hearing johnnyspazz or Thegilaboy's opinions on this as well. Radfield has conflict of interest.
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Well, it was 9 KST Jul 5, so for us in the US it was 7pm on the 4th.
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Well, for me. Central time. Kick it around an hour or two for your particular flavor of US time.
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On July 06 2010 08:39 Bill Murray wrote:
night ends in 20 minutes Are we going to get a day start post and maybe some info - or a statement of lack thereof? We're running like 4 hours late now.
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